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Jimmy Carter: Like Iraq The Revolutionary War Was Unnecessary!
Harball 10/18/04

Posted on 10/19/2004 7:04:03 PM PDT by notkerry

MATTHEWS: Let me ask you the question about—this is going to cause some trouble with people—but as an historian now and studying the Revolutionary War as it was fought out in the South in those last years of the War, insurgency against a powerful British force, do you see any parallels between the fighting that we did on our side and the fighting that is going on in Iraq today?

CARTER: Well, one parallel is that the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we‘ve fought. I think another parallel is that in some ways the Revolutionary War could have been avoided. It was an unnecessary war.

Had the British Parliament been a little more sensitive to the colonial‘s really legitimate complaints and requests the war could have been avoided completely, and of course now we would have been a free country now as is Canada and India and Australia, having gotten our independence in a nonviolent way.

I think in many ways the British were very misled in going to war against America and in trying to enforce their will on people who were quite different from them at the time.

For Transcript See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6281085/


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004electionbias; agitprop; antiamerican; bushhater; cartermuraq; civilwar2; civlwarii; flounderingfathers; goebbelswouldbeproud; iraq; iraqwar; jimmycarter; kickmeinmydumass; mediabias; peanutbutterbrain; presidentdumbass; propaganda; revisionisthistory; revolutionarywar; unamerican
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To: ozzymandus

Here is a great link to facts on America's Wars:

http://www.va.gov/pressrel/amwars01.htm


141 posted on 10/20/2004 7:49:48 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Proud member of P.O.O.P., People Offended by Offended People.)
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To: mhking

Can someone please file for a court to declare the Peanut Farmer mentally incompetent and thus remove him from the voter rolls?


142 posted on 10/20/2004 7:56:18 AM PDT by steveegg (Hiliary Rodham Clinton - Let the Torching of Ketchup/Breck begin)
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To: notkerry

Carter was the only other president in my lifetime elected out of irrational, freak-fringe hatred of his Republican opponent. And you can see how well that worked.

Tell that to a "Kerry supporter."


143 posted on 10/20/2004 8:02:49 AM PDT by anonymous_user (JOhn KErry for President?)
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To: steveegg

It's time for him to go to Shady Pines....


144 posted on 10/20/2004 8:10:11 AM PDT by mhking (Does John Kerry always speak with exclamation points?)
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To: TexasTaysor
as a fellow citizen of Texas, i would like to this that if that happened, we would still be a sovereign nation and that around this time we would be placing our votes for the next president of Texas.
145 posted on 10/20/2004 8:11:16 AM PDT by melkor (God bless ยง 9 of the Texas penal code.)
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To: Twinkie
"Instead of calling out the best in people, the Democrat Party has appealed to the lowest common denominator in people."

Yeah, very true, I think. It fits right in with the socialistic egalitarianism that the Dems like so well too.

146 posted on 10/20/2004 8:16:41 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Twinkie

Another reason why Carter thinks the Revolution was unnecessary is probably because, like most leftists, he thinks America herself is unnecessary.

And I suppose if the jerk finds the Iraq war unnecessary, he did not have a problem with leaving Saddam in power.

He is a real snake in the grass.


147 posted on 10/20/2004 8:19:13 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: marktwain

marktwain wrote:

Carter was elected before there was an internet, at the height of Old Media dominance, just after they had thrown out an elected president in a media coup called "Watergate"

______________________________________



Nixon resigned because he was about to be shown up as breaking his oath to our Constitution.

The articles of impeachment against Nixon
Address:http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/special/watergate/impeachment.html


148 posted on 10/20/2004 8:32:21 AM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: Dad2Angels
The more pressing question is - how in the hell does this idiot put his pants on without help?!

Maybe his wife Rosalynn helps him!...OOPS! ;-)

149 posted on 10/20/2004 8:32:38 AM PDT by albertp (Malice in Blunderland, The Wizard of Odd, Gullible's Troubles! Steal the wealth, spread the poverty.)
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To: notkerry
the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we‘ve fought.

What the hell is this clown talking about now?

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America's Wars: U.S. Casualties and Veterans

American Revolution (1775–1783)
Total servicemembers 217,000
Battle deaths 4,435
Nonmortal woundings 6,188
War of 1812 (1812–1815)
Total servicemembers 286,730
Battle deaths 2,260
Nonmortal woundings 4,505
Indian Wars (approx. 1817–1898)
Total servicemembers 106,0001
Battle deaths 1,0001
Mexican War (1846–1848)  
Total servicemembers 78,718
Battle deaths 1,733
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 11,550
Nonmortal woundings 4,152
Civil War (1861–1865)  
Total servicemembers (Union) 2,213,363
Battle deaths (Union) 140,414
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Union) 224,097
Nonmortal woundings (Union) 281,881
Total servicemembers (Conf.) 1,050,000
Battle deaths (Conf.) 74,524
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Conf.) 59,2972
Nonmortal woundings (Conf.) unknown
Spanish-American War (1898–1902)  
Total servicemembers 306,760
Battle deaths 385
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 2,061
Nonmortal woundings 1,662
World War I (1917–1918)
Total servicemembers 4,734,991
Battle deaths 53,402
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 63,114
Nonmortal woundings 204,002
Living veterans fewer than 500
World War II (1940–1945)
Total servicemembers 16,112,566
Battle deaths 291,557
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 113,842
Nonmortal woundings 671,846
Living veterans 4,762,0001
Korean War (1950–1953)
Total servicemembers 5,720,000
Serving in-theater 1,789,000
Battle deaths 33,741
Other deaths in service (theater) 2,827
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 17,730
Nonmortal woundings 103,284
Living veterans 3,734,0001
Vietnam War (1964–1975)
Total servicemembers 8,744,000
Serving in-theater 3,403,000
Battle deaths 47,410
Other deaths in service (theater) 10,789
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 32,000
Nonmortal woundings 153,303
Living veterans 8,295,0001
Gulf War (1990–1991)
Total servicemembers 2,183,000
Serving in-theater 665,476
Battle deaths 147
Other deaths in service (theater) 382
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 1,565
Nonmortal woundings 467
Living veterans 1,852,0001
America's Wars Total
Military service during war 42,348,460
Battle deaths 651,008
Other deaths in service (theater) 13,998
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 525,256
Nonmortal woundings 1,431,290
Living war veterans 17,578,5003
Living veterans 25,038,459

150 posted on 10/20/2004 8:34:36 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Strategerist

I agree with you...I have read up enough on the history of that time to understand that the basic lack of cooperation and vision of the Parliament at the time was the main cause of grievances with the colonists....which is really strange, because so many of the nobility were beginning to set up their own prosperity in the New World. Carter is correct to a degree...but I noticed he did not qualify what he meant by it. To call it 'unnecessary' is an unfortunate choice of words, as I am sure that the one's who fought felt that it was necessary in terms of having no other choice. Why the Brits missed their chance to have the British kingdom writ large is beyond me. Carter should have stuck with 'avoidable.'


151 posted on 10/20/2004 8:41:17 AM PDT by Alkhin ("We are not this story's author, who fills time and eternity with his purpose." G.W.Bush)
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To: mhking
The Only Battle Jimmy Carter Thought Necessary

President Carter vs. the Swamp Rabbit
Original on file at the Jimmy Carter Library

152 posted on 10/20/2004 9:02:51 AM PDT by jriemer (We are a Republic not a Democracy)
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To: notkerry

Carter with his hatred of a strong America would have preferred that our revoluntary war never happened, and we would just be another part of the British Empire.

Carter has been one of the most dangerous anti Americans of the last century and continues to be.


153 posted on 10/20/2004 9:10:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (When will ABCNNBCBS & the MSM fishwraps stop Rathering to America? Answer: NEVER!)
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To: Junior
The Founding Fathers initially didn't want a split with the mother country. They were eventually pushed to it by British ham-handedness.

I'm not so sure about that. Some of "British ham-handedness" was a reation, an attempt to prevent the unthinkable. Many of our FF were students of the Enlightenment. Our FF were not all of one mind & it took British ham-handedness to get enough people on board, but I believe the revolution was something that was waiting to happen.

154 posted on 10/20/2004 9:16:36 AM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: Twinkie

I agree. I was young & stoopid. I bought it. Before Nixon it was Agnew. The Nixon pardon was the final straw. Those Republicans, they're all alike, creates a vote against the Republican, instead of a vote for the Democrat.


155 posted on 10/20/2004 9:24:12 AM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: GoLightly
Catch the movie 1776. It does a pretty good job of recreating the tensions between those who wanted to work it out with the British and those who wanted to go their own way.
156 posted on 10/20/2004 9:26:35 AM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Timesink; martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; ...
Media Schadenfreude and Media Shenanigans PING

Chrissy Matthews and Jimmah Cahtah:

...the Revolutionary War, more than any other war up until recently, has been the most bloody war we‘ve fought.

So the Revolutionary was our bloodiest war ever excepting the war in Iraq?

What a dumbass.

157 posted on 10/20/2004 9:28:00 AM PDT by weegee (To the MSM: "There's got to be a morning after" How can you face us after the lies and distortions?)
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To: Casaubon
Is carter growing something other then peanuts?

I don't know if he's ever played with chemicals. I'm beginning to wonder if he's a closet Holocaust denier too.

158 posted on 10/20/2004 9:31:45 AM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: Alkhin

Do you think the French crown could have prevented their revolution if they had had a bit more vision?


159 posted on 10/20/2004 9:37:45 AM PDT by GoLightly (If it doesn't kill ya, it makes ya stronger.)
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To: notkerry
Every time Jimmy Carter speaks, he demonstrates again that he is an historical and geopolitical moron. Any semi-sentient fool knows that the most bloody war we ever fought, in terms of percentage of the whole population killed and wounded, was the Civil War. Close on the heels of that were World War II, and then World War I.

And the idea that the Revolutionary War "need not have been fought" because Britain would eventually have given America its independence (in the 20th century) is so overwhelmingly dumb that words fail in trying to describe it.

Carter is a bad joke, and Matthews was a blindingly incompetent in not calling him on his demonstrated ignorance.

Don't get me started.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Mein Fuhrer, I Can Valk!"

160 posted on 10/20/2004 9:43:33 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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