Posted on 11/23/2004 7:08:41 AM PST by Leo Carpathian
Here is an email I received from one of my relatives in Ukraine. Please read.
"After the numerous infringements and violations committed by the Ukrainian state authority during yesterday's presidential election, the revolution in Ukraine is ready to begin. Please help us, the Ukrainians, to guarantee the democracy in our country and the liberated election. Don't sell us to the bandits! President Bush helped Iraq to get rid of the dictatorship. Lend us a hand to prevent it! Stop the new USSR! 50 millions need your help now!
The publicizing of this information and cry for help may save the lives of many innocent patriotic citizens. We believe that the United States of America is the most democratic and authoritative country. We also believe it is ready to help Ukraine keep its independence and stop the autocracy. Please help us save our fatherland! "
Stefan Tanasijczuk
and here is the info about activities in USA:
Dorohi (Dear)! We have SOLID, approved information to pass along.
Tuesday, Nov. 23th, 10am, NYC What: Protest/demonstration at 2 consulates Where: Ukrainian Consulate (240 East 49th Street between 2nd & 3rd Avenues) at 10am followed by a "Putin & Russia Keep Your Hands Off Ukraine Rally" in front of the Russian Mission (136 East 67th Street and/or the Russian Consulate at 9 East 91st Street). Be as orange as you can be, stay as long as you can.
Wednesday, Nov. 24th, 1:30pm – Washington, DC What: protest rally Where: Embassy of Ukraine (3350 M st, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20007 (in Georgetown) then moving to Capitol Hill Car pool, talk to people, charter buses - get there. The permits are obtained; people are already organizing down there.
Several people are leaving either after the protest in nyc in the evening, or early am. for DC, .. like 630 on wednesday morning, leaving any later will be pointless as traffic will be murder. Most of us will then most likely return either on wed night or Thursday morning. If you can give a ride, please volunteer. (contact me at znymka@hotmail.com). There may be buses chartered to go down… that is still in the planning phase.
Make posters, orange is the color, wear it, wave it, post it...
Soros appreciated the Saakashvili's "services" at $2 mln //
Halyna Dmirtova // Partaktiv // 24.03.04 // http://partaktiv.info/main/4061a68fa13cd/
The article reports that two American companies and personally G. Soros have allotted 5 million US dollars to pay the salaries of Georgian officials including the President, Prime-Minister, Speaker of the Parliament and ministers. According to Maecenases, such actions are aimed for the prevention of corruption of senior government authorities. The author tells that from now on Saakashvili “will not have to suffocate corrupted officials with his own hand as Uncle George who is a great expert in “suffocation” will do this for him”.
Serfdom? As opposed to becoming a statelet for the EU? Lets not forget that Youschenko made some pretty rotten deals with the communists, Soros and western nationalists who do not represent the majority of people in Ukraine.
This is a comical parallel with the USA.
Here we have Soros backing a losing candidate, with his proxies running grossly innaccurate "exit polls" that slant things heavily towards his candidate. In this case exit polls were only conducted in places heavily favoring Soros.
Then when the Soros candidate loses, they proclaim the election is a fraud. In the USA there are court cases being filed claiming that (wildly inaccurate) exit polls showing "Kerry won" is proof that Bush lost and that there was massive fraud.
When there are few months until Ukraine president’s elections one of the main candidates from opposition Victor Uschenko felt that the ground is going away under him. Nationalists stand stood him and his rating in bad. Ukraine citizens among whom is a good number of Russians and Jews truly fear Yuschenko coming into power. It will mean prosperity of anti-Semitism and xenophobia because several politics in Yuschenko election headquarters don’t really cover their ultra nationalistic views. Feeling that his rating falls down, Yuschenko and his accomplices try with any methods achieve their aims. There is a plan in Yuschenko’ headquarters how to initiate civil commotions on the background of allegedly falsified elections. There were no elections but opposition has already prepared declaration about their falsification. Of course it is the best method to turn the defeat to victory, if especially Yuschenko will be helped by the USA… But does Ukraine, its neighbors and European partners really need it? Today Ukraine economy is on the rise. The GNP rises, inflation rates reduces, average wages increase. People need stability but opposition wanna shock. We must not give them does it!
LOL - As did John Kerry!
There are four types of "Ukrainians" - outright ethnic Russians, Ukrainian Orthodox - smypatico with the Orthodox Russians, Ukrainian Eastern Rite Catholics of the West who are hostile to Russia (their guy is the complaigning about the election) and Ukrainian Orthodox Nationalists who are Orthodox schismatics and hate the West and Russia.
I was on the phone earlier today with a Ukrainian friend of mine living in the eastern city of Alchevs'k. She didn't mention the election at what was 4:30pm her time. She sent me an email just an hour ago. No mention of anything relating to current events. I'll have to ask her if people are rioting but I suspect she would have mentioned it. BTW, she supported deputy Yanukovych though I don't think she is very political.
Our "Russian brothers " do not exactly have a record of having Ukrainian interests at heart. My great grandfather was indeed a serf, my parents barely escaped starvation and communist slavery thanks to the Soviets. I have reason to be skeptical about the good intentions of Russia.
Don't you think that more to do with communist ideology than some ethnic sentiment towards Ukrainians? Massive numbers of Russians were victims of communism too, and communism would have tried to do this to the whole world if it could.
Well, except for the fact that the Russians were continually oppressing the Ukraine for over 300 years. That suggests it wasn't just the Communist ideology at work.
hell the Russians called us " malo- rus", "little Russians". Pretty much denied us our individual national identity.
The collectivization and starvation had nothing to do with the supposed Russian hostility to the Ukranians. It was rather the result of crazed Bolshevik ideology and desire of early Soviet leaders for rapid industralization.
Also many of the top Soviet leaders at that time were non-Russian. Starvation affected also Russia proper and Soviet leaders were hostile to Russian nationalists (many of who had to go into the exile together with the White Army).
Can you give the SPECIFIC examples of this Russian opression against the Ukrainians? Exploatation of serfs by the nobility does not count as it took place all over the Russia and was not based on Ukrainian/Russian origin.
hell the Russians called us " malo- rus", "little Russians". Pretty much denied us our individual national identity.
I come from Malo-Polska (Little Poland) and I see nothing offensive about. BTW, one can see the terms like Greater Boston or Greater Greece (colonies) as less prestigious than Boston proper or Little Greece.
Present Great Russia derives her origins from Kievan Rus (as well as from Novgorod at the Baltic Sea). Do you think that Ukraine does not share in the Rus heritage?
you are missing the point the oppression is coming from western ukranians who are enforcing nationalist ideals upon the whole populous. Like i said forcing schools to teach in a ukranian language where noone speaks it comes to mind. Not allowing people to have dual citizenship so they could visit their relatives. Ukranians are the same as Russians there is no difference except geographical. The ones that live in west Lwov and past Kiev to the left are making all the trouble.
Hell it isn't my fault that in 1956 Khruchev decided to enlarge Ukrane and give it 5 or 6 Oblast(region) which traditionally belonged to Russia. Nikolaevskaya, Odesskaya, Crimskaya, Dnepropetrovskaya, Donetskaya etc...
How the hell do you get a 90% to 2% in both sides of the aisle for the candidates each set forth... without that being the case.
Little hard to attend if one is in Texas, but my thoughts & prayers are with all protesters & demonstrators.
Yanukovych - be a man - & for the good of Ukraine - concede the frelling election.
God Bless YKPAIHA.
why should one concede when he won? Crying foul is great but doesn't convince me. The eastern half of ukraine including the south is more populous then the western half. So why should a majority be subject to a minority in a democracy? The people voted why whould those in the east be ignored for the sake of those in the west. Is their opinion worth less?
So his enemies can do Milosevic on him and send him to prison, maybe even in Hague:)?
It is because Khrushchev joined this area to the Soviet Ukrainian Republic. They lived there for many centuries.
But it looks that Putin is going to fix this proble, He wants to give Russian passport and citizenship to every Ukrainian who asks for it. As a result eastern Ukraine and a big part of the middle can become empty. Hey, even the true Ukrainians from the Eastern Galicia (Western is in Little Poland) might be tempted to take the bait.
Soros will have a plenty of land to build his "open society".
You prove my point... If someone doesn't do like "you" want them to do they are unpatriotic and are traitors should be thrown out ??? Is it their fault Kruchev gave thos regions to Ukraine? Or is it their fault that they speak Russian and consider themselves Ukranian??? Why is it possible to have two or more official languages in civilized countries like belgium or switzerland but in Ukraine you must know Ukranian even if you think you speaking Russian is totally fine in the region you live in.
A perfect example is the Trans-Carpathian Oblast (bordering present-day Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, and Romania as well as Ukraine proper (old provinces of Galicia and Bukovina). The people there historically called themselves Carpatho-Russians and have always rejected the "Ukrainian" ethno-political movement since it was invented in the early 1800's, and I was raised in America in that mindset too. Some of our famous poets like Stavrovskij-Popradov wrote about the great Russian nation "from the Poprad (present-day Slovakia) to the Pacific".
The ONLY reason it is in the Ukraine ("borderland") is that Stalin stole it from Czechoslovakia in 1945.
The million people there voted by about 90% to secede from the Ukraine in 1991 (as did the Russian province of the Crimea). In neither case did the Ukrainian aurhorities consider allowing such provinces. So they are stuck for at least a few more years in a "country" they don't want to be in at all.
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