Posted on 11/30/2004 9:14:15 AM PST by cainin04
Over the past days there has been a great discussion about the role of the theory of evolution and whether it alone or the thoughts on Intellegent Design should be taught in schools.
I made the argument that Darwinsism attempts to replace God. "If you have Darwinism there is no need for God the Creator." But many of the Free Republic members disagreed.
Read the text from this recent text book used today in public schools and draw your own conclusions. I found this in Lee Stroble's "Case for a Creator."
Futuyma Douglas author of "Evolutionary Biology"--page 3--"By coupling undirected, purposeless variation to the blind, uncaring process of natural selection, Darwin made theological or spiritual explanations of the life processes superflous."
The book "Sign of Intellegence" cites several of the other popular text books. The writers cite the terms used to describe evolution; "evolution is random and undirected,"without plan or purpose,"Darwin gave biology a sound scientific basis by attributing the diversity of life to natural causes rather than the supernatural creation."
Stroble also cites an article from Time Magazine, "Charles Darwin didn't want to murder God, as he once put it. But he did."
One can read text book after text book, they all come to the same conclusion--Darwin replaced God.
Why then is a theory that has so many holes in it, still being taught as "fact?" Many excuses could be listed, but I would say it is just part of the liberal establishment trying to remove God from our schools and our country as a whole. In history class we can't read the "Declaration of ID" or say the Pledge of Allegiance, because they mention God; in English we can't read a story from the Bible, because that is seperation of church and state--yet we CAN read other religous materials as long as they are not Christian; and of course in science class we can't mention ID because that would include God.
Americans are going to have to stand up. We can not sit back and watch these atheistic liberals have every mention of God removed from our country. If we do stand up, not only will we produce children who have no understanding of our country, our history, or our values, but we will also see our nation fall into a great moral decline.
However, I do not think we are going to allow that to occur. In this last election we had a clear choice between a man of God--a man with values--and a man with little or no values. We chose the man with values. The fight will continue and Patriotic-God loving Americans can never give in. Read what is in your child's text books and if it attempts to remove God, speak out against it. Your voice matters--it matters not just for your child's sake, but for the sake of all America's citizens.
3) Evolution is a fact. You'd better get used to it. The "Theory of Evolution" is the body of thought science has gathered to explain HOW allele frequencies in populations change over time. If you still doubt that this happens, you might ask why we keep having to come up with new flu vaccines every year.
The theory of evolution is fact.....do you understand that a theory is a mere supposition to explain how something happened? Your argument seems a bit hypocritical.
If anything, Evolution only strengthens my belief in God.
The more Science uncovers the more intricate and complicated the universe seems.
We as human beings have to come to grasp the idea, the fact, that there must something greater than ourselves.
A belief in God is not ignorant. It is enlightenment. While we may continue to uncover the mechanisms of it all, how evolution works, how the universe operates, there is still the lingering question of, why.
That is a good post, and I agree with you. If I sounded like I want people to take their focus off of the overall big message "Christ Died on the Cross for our sins" I am terribly sorry, because that is certainly not my intent.
I also believe in the old-earth. I think the 7 days is not the same 7 day week that we now have. But the order of events are as they are listed in Genesis.
My argument is not just with science class, but with the dirction public schools are heading in general. It is not that they are just taking God out of the schools, they are teaching that God does not exist and it is stupid to believe in God--in many schools.
But you are right, we can not and should not take our eye of the ball. The message of Christ is the overall message, but if people are taught at a young age not to believe in God--they aren't going to believe in Jesus either.
Too many of both, actually. A highly evolved pox on the lot of them.
"1) Science deals with the tangible, the observable."
There is absolutely nothing tangible and observable to indicate that inter-species evolution ever occurred, much less to indicate that we all evolved out of the primordial soup. I can't think of any other scientific theory that has held sway as long as Darwinian evolution, over a hundred years, despite the absolute lack of evidence. Which proves to me that it isn't a scientific theory at all-- it's a religious belief.
Corect, I think we are on the same page.
But many are still "apes" nonetheless.
Seriously, now: you believe trees and grasses existed on Earth prior to the creation of the sun?
amen to that post.
Thanks for the ping!
Of course! Nobody's confused by the fact that the ancestors of modern birds were birds. Apes do exist and did exist. And if a taxonomy were worked out by anything other than a human being, human beings would be classified as apes, also.
Who created Darwinism?
Some misguided folks think they are wise and insightful by adopting a middle ground: "God used macroevolution."
That's a non-sequitur. Think it through: http://boundless.org/2002_2003/regulars/office_hours/a0000798.html
On a related note, proponents of the Intelligent Design Theory like Behe and Dembski are Catholics.
As Catholics, they are theologically free to accept macroevolution.
As acomplished scientists, they did so, without question, for many years.
Until they did what all scientists purport to do, but many rarely do: Take a full and objective look at the evidence.
Public schools have long been out of the business of teaching morals and virtues as well as supporting Judeo-Christian religious belief.
Although I happen to believe in the Creator, Christianity is more concerned with matters of salvation. Fortunately for all of us, public schools have yet to botch that issue.
Parents need to instruct their children in their own faith and to explain, contradict or resolve information provided by the schools. Churches need to do more to reach out to the children of the unchurched.
No. Darwinism itself says NOTHING about Religion. It is only hateful, ignorant people, driven by their personal agendas, that hope to supplant God with Science.
Likewise, it is only hateful, ignorant people, driven by their personal agendas, that hope to supplant Science with God.
No, evolution lacks absolute evidence, which is not the same as an absolute lack of it. The preponderance of the available evidence is persuasive that evolution has occurred over a long period of time, details to follow as discoveries are made.
There is a nearly absolute lack of evolutionary evidence, however, for any theological conclusions as to questions about purpose in the Universe.
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