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UN's Jan Egeland Responds to Freeper Email
Free Republic ^ | December 28, 2004

Posted on 12/28/2004 4:11:38 PM PST by Howlin

Earlier today, responding to these remarks by the UN's Jan Egeland

But U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs Jan Egeland suggested that the United States and other Western nations were being "stingy" with relief funds, saying there would be more available if taxes were raised.

"It is beyond me why are we so stingy, really," the Norwegian-born U.N. official told reporters. "Christmastime should remind many Western countries at least, [of] how rich we have become."

"There are several donors who are less generous than before in a growing world economy," he said, adding that politicians in the United States and Europe "believe that they are really burdening the taxpayers too much, and the taxpayers want to give less. It's not true. They want to give more."

I sent this email to Jan Egeland

You seem to be under the impression that the ONLY way that individuals can donate money to charities and disasters is if the government TAKES the money from them in the form of taxes and gives it to YOU.

Leaving aside the fact that the UN is the last place I want MY government to give money (see Oil for Food scandal), we don't need to be taxed into giving. The United States is a generous country and we WILL give a lot of money to this cause; we're just not going to give it to YOU to spend as you see fit.

The people who really need and deserve the money will get it, without you having the opportunity to cut your slice off of it.

Howlin @ FR

Raleigh, NC

P.S. Forget about a UN and/or world tax; it's not going to happen.


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KEYWORDS: howlin; humanitarianrelief; janegeland; stingy; sumatraquake; tsunami; un; unitednations; unlist; waytogosir
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To: Howlin

Great job, Howlin

'Bout time someone told them off. And you are just the lady to do it. ;-)


101 posted on 12/28/2004 4:43:53 PM PST by baseballmom (You Know Where I Stand - GW Bush - 9/2/04 We're standing with you, Mr. President)
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To: Aeronaut

All I did was finally get mad enough to write a nasty email.

It wasn't that hard; in fact, it felt GOOD.


102 posted on 12/28/2004 4:44:21 PM PST by Howlin
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To: OpusatFR

He was NOT misquoted; he's just trying to CYA now.


103 posted on 12/28/2004 4:44:45 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Good job!..His comments were WAY over the top..Our taxes are not his business and our generosity is great...I am certain his statement angered many Americans..


104 posted on 12/28/2004 4:45:19 PM PST by MEG33 (...GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Howlin
I'm usually NOT very tactful at all, as I am repeatedly reminded on this forum.

You are my hero.

105 posted on 12/28/2004 4:45:37 PM PST by RightWingMama
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To: truth_seeker

I just read today that Volker has told some radio show that the UN sat by and watched as Saddam mad all that money SMUGGLING.


106 posted on 12/28/2004 4:45:58 PM PST by Howlin
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To: rodguy911

Actually, I saw something on Fox a few weeks ago that showed the "International Red Cross" as just another anti-American group of socialist idiots looking to bring us down (see Amnesty International). And since the tsunami hit, we are giving these ba*tards $15 mil.

Dollars to doughnuts they won't be using it to help out the victims! I am sure the money will be used against us in some way.

Your tax dollars at work...


107 posted on 12/28/2004 4:47:49 PM PST by America_Right (Fox News Channel--Because we have the babes.)
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To: Howlin
The American people are rich enough to give away more money than all other nations combined--and in fact are the richest and most prosperous nation, as well as the most generous nation, the world has ever known--because they are not overtaxed.

They would be richer and more prosperous--and would have more largesse to give away--if their taxes were lowered.

Socialism has failed every time and everywhere it has been tried.

Many people didn't have to try it to know that it would fail.

108 posted on 12/28/2004 4:47:50 PM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: Howlin

You go, Girl!


109 posted on 12/28/2004 4:48:36 PM PST by alnick
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To: Howlin

You go, howlin-girl! Give 'em hell!!

My money for the disaster in Asia will go to church-related groups.


110 posted on 12/28/2004 4:49:19 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: America_Right

There was some discussion earlier today about exactly which organization to give money to.

I believe World Vision was one, can that be right?


111 posted on 12/28/2004 4:49:46 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Palladin

Can you suggest some?


112 posted on 12/28/2004 4:50:06 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Great thread!
If the United States wants to aid (within reason) the victims of natural disasters, okay by me. But if my tax dollars come within a hundred miles of the corrupt, filthy fingers of the creeps at the scumbag United Nations, then I will have a real problem. I shall be keeping a careful eye on my Congressman and Senators.


113 posted on 12/28/2004 4:50:12 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Howlin

Nice Job!! You do us proud!!


114 posted on 12/28/2004 4:50:24 PM PST by BobFromNJ (go-Star-go)
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To: Howlin

"You may call us "stingy," but we call you and the UN "wasteful".........and downright corrupt."

In a nutshell!!! ^5, Howlin, you go girl!

maggie


115 posted on 12/28/2004 4:50:30 PM PST by maggief
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To: Howlin

Jan Egeland egeland@un.org

Here's what I wrote them.


I write to tell you that your statement about the USA being "stingy" with it's mere $15,000,000 contribution is disgusting. I noticed that you have not disclosed your country's contribution, nor have you for even a second commented about how much relief was sought. It is my recommendation that you contact some of your cronies at the UN and ask that they donate some of the "BILLIONS" that they bilked from the Oil For Food program. Somehow, folks like you have the audacity to take cheap shots at the USA at every opportunity, when, in fact, the USA is by and large the MOST charitable nation on earth.


116 posted on 12/28/2004 4:50:56 PM PST by conshack
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To: Howlin

I would also recommend Samaritan's Purse, run by Franklin Graham.


117 posted on 12/28/2004 4:51:05 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Savage Beast

I had the distinct impression that old Jan thought our taxes should be higher so he could blackmail more of our money out of the government.

You know they want a "UN tax."


118 posted on 12/28/2004 4:51:26 PM PST by Howlin
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To: cyncooper

I had to rewind my Tivo twice during Special report. I just couldn't believe that Juan Williams was making sense about this issue while Ceci Connolly appeared to be giving the UN a Lewinsky right on the air!


119 posted on 12/28/2004 4:51:35 PM PST by nhoward14 (Frodo failed. Hillary has the One Ring.)
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To: RightWingMama

I saw this same UN slug on Fox today. Talk about doing a CYA gavotte. Of course Fox threw him marshmellows.


120 posted on 12/28/2004 4:51:41 PM PST by basque (Basque by birth. American by act of God)
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To: Howlin

Catholic Relief Services; Baptist Missions; Mennonite Missions, etc.


121 posted on 12/28/2004 4:51:46 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: Howlin

The POWER of FR!


122 posted on 12/28/2004 4:51:46 PM PST by Sub-Driver (Unelect All NJ Politicians....)
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To: Howlin

Those who are most condemning of capitalism are the eagerest to benefit from it.


123 posted on 12/28/2004 4:52:34 PM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: conshack

The thing is our "sum total" is at 35 million; of course, HE wants CASH to touch and lose.


124 posted on 12/28/2004 4:52:35 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

The UN is going to use this catastrophe as a means to prove that each member country must pay an extra tax towards a disaster-fund. They need something to replace the income from the Oil for Food programme. The only way the UN can continue to exist and pay its 750,000 hangers on, is invent another method of extortion. Remember the slogan:
From each, according to his ability, to each according to his need?
The UN sees itself as the New World Socialist Government IMO. Let the UN move to Eurabia, I am sure they would be more than welcome in Norway.


125 posted on 12/28/2004 4:52:36 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf. Click Fred Nerks for Link.)
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To: Howlin

Some organizations were given a LOT less than the $15 mil. I think they were given something like $1 mil.

Great post, by the way. Thank you so much for telling those idiots what REAL Americans think!


126 posted on 12/28/2004 4:53:13 PM PST by America_Right (Fox News Channel--Because we have the babes.)
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To: nhoward14

Oh, tell. I missed it until the rerun.


127 posted on 12/28/2004 4:53:19 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Yeah, that's about the only place I've seen his remarks.

But there's more to it than what Sammon put up.

This Jan guy is one arrogant POS.

He was basically saying that our Congress doesn't realize that we really want to pay more in taxes.

Give me a few I'm going to transcribe the part of the video.

128 posted on 12/28/2004 4:53:43 PM PST by OXENinFLA
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To: BobFromNJ

Well, I learned from the pros, like you!


129 posted on 12/28/2004 4:53:52 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Attaboys to Howlin.


130 posted on 12/28/2004 4:53:52 PM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch.)
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To: Howlin
I just read today that Volker has told some radio show that the UN sat by and watched as Saddam mad all that money SMUGGLING.

I've seen that, too. What I haven't seen is what Saddam was supposed to be "smuggling". Could it be...OIL?!

131 posted on 12/28/2004 4:55:14 PM PST by cyncooper
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To: America_Right
That is scary, I had no idea, thanks for the heads up.
132 posted on 12/28/2004 4:55:56 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First let's get rid of the UN and then the ACLU, or vice versa..)
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To: Savage Beast

Well, yeah - - we sure ARE overtaxed. But other than that, I think you make a good valid point.
Secular socialism has all but destroyed old Europe. Thank God the Democrat Party, whose agenda is to push secular socialism on America, was once again turned away at the polls in the last election.


133 posted on 12/28/2004 4:56:12 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Howlin

Marvelous! Just plain marvelous Howlin, good on 'ya!


134 posted on 12/28/2004 4:56:24 PM PST by yoe
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To: Howlin

"I just read today that Volker has told some radio show that the UN sat by and watched as Saddam mad all that money SMUGGLING."

Until I am convinced otherwise, I don't trust Volker to do the job needing done.

Kofi has apparently structured the Volker investigation, such that the report can be edited by him (Kofi).

Maybe I'm wrong, but I distrust Volker, for letting it be structured that way.

The result SHOULD be to prove that France, Russia and Kofi unjustly/illegally enriched themselves. I don't care abuout Saddam. He's locked up for good. The rest aren't.

If Volker doesn't do that, he is worthless, along with his repoprt.


135 posted on 12/28/2004 4:57:00 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: snopercod

that article deserves a thread of its own


136 posted on 12/28/2004 4:57:07 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Texas_Jarhead
the cows from whose utters you suck.

Great sentiment, but try "udders."

137 posted on 12/28/2004 4:57:46 PM PST by lancer (If you are not with us, you are against us!)
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To: Howlin

The thing is our "sum total" is at 35 million; of course, HE wants CASH to touch and lose.

The first figure I saw was 15, but since I am a DoD employee, I am also aware of the "uncounted" costs associated with our relief efforts. I'm not expecting a reply, but if I do, I'll share it here.


138 posted on 12/28/2004 4:58:01 PM PST by conshack
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1309689/posts


139 posted on 12/28/2004 4:58:27 PM PST by Howlin
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To: OXENinFLA; Howlin; MEG33
CNN AMERICAN MORNING Transript 12/28/04

COLLINS: The tsunami disaster in Asia is triggering what's likely to be one of the biggest worldwide relief efforts in history.

As our Allan Chernoff reports, the ripples of the disaster are reaching out now to the United States.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The U.S. State Department.

ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Americans are answering the call for help, opening their hearts and wallets as they phone in donations to the American Red Cross.

LESLIE GOTTLIEB, AMERICAN RED CROSS: Calls have really increased in the past day, I think, as the enormity of the situation hits home and people realize how devastating this is.

CHERNOFF: Relief workers in Portland are packing medical supplies. A volunteer medical team is scheduled to fly Tuesday morning to Thailand.

BAS VANDERZALM, NORTHWEST MEDICAL TEAMS: Volunteer medical professionals in the Northwest are incredible and very giving. And so we are ready with personnel to be deployed.

CHERNOFF: And the international relief group Doctors Without Borders is seeking volunteers.

CATRIN SCHULTE HILLEN, DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS: Our first appeal is to medical personnel and logistic personnel that is available, that can help, yes, we'd be delighted. We need volunteers for the field.

CHERNOFF: Employees of the International Red Cross, CARE and OXFAM are already on the ground, working on the harsh logistics of providing food, drinking water and medical care. Aid workers agree the need will go on for months.

CHRISTOPH GORDER, AMERICARES: The larger task at hand will be keeping the survivors alive. There are millions of people who were displaced and vulnerable, in these unsanitary conditions, to killer diseases like diarrhea and upper respiratory tract infections.

CHERNOFF: Secretary of State Powell announced the U.S. government is starting off with $15 million in assistance. Not enough, argues the head of emergency relief at the United Nations.

JAN EGELAND, U.N. UNDER SECRETARY-GENERAL: It is beyond me why we are -- why are we so stingy, really, when we are, and even at Christmastime should remind many Western countries, at least, how rich we have become.

CHERNOFF (on camera): Relief organizations say Americans should donate money, not goods. That will allow professional aid workers to buy and deliver the goods and services that victims most desperately need.

Allan Chernoff, CNN, New York. (END VIDEOTAPE)

140 posted on 12/28/2004 4:58:38 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: lancer
Great sentiment, but try "udders."

Ah crap! Too late now.
141 posted on 12/28/2004 4:58:48 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead (I believe in American Exceptionalism! Do you?)
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To: Howlin

We already give more than any other country to the UN now; where's that money?

I hate these people that talk like our charity is their entitlement. We are the most generous nation but we do not like getting badgered for more and more, especially when they don't spend it wisely.


142 posted on 12/28/2004 4:58:57 PM PST by oldbrowser (You lost the election.....................Get over it.)
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To: truth_seeker

I am kind of sketchy on Volker, too.


143 posted on 12/28/2004 4:59:12 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Is this "reply" based upon his grovel act/interview today? he made the remark yesterday and today is back-peddling faster than Mark Spitz on steroids.
144 posted on 12/28/2004 4:59:17 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Howlin
The United States is a generous country and we WILL give a lot of money to this cause; we're just not going to give it to YOU to spend as you see fit.

Not Yours to Give

"Mr. Speaker--I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the suffering of the living, if there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it.

We have the right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I ever heard that the government was in arrears to him.

Is just as true today as it was then. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of private charities collecting monies and supplies for this tragedy. Materials that will get there a lot quicker than anything going through government channels. Instead of calling for the national government to spend taxpayer dollars, donate to these charities instead. And yes for the record, I already have. Would you believe it? There's even one right here in our own state....

Samaritan's Purse

145 posted on 12/28/2004 5:01:47 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Howlin

You rock...Howln, a keyboard, and an ISP are an awesome combination..why don't you try and destabilize Iran in your spare time...FYI..John GIbson on the O'Reilly factor will be covering this very topic.in a few minutes..and we KNOW he DON'T like the UN


146 posted on 12/28/2004 5:01:58 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: OXENinFLA; Howlin

"I still can't find one."
________________


http://www.c-span.org/VideoArchives.asp?z1=&PopupMenu_Name=International&CatCodePairs=Issue,I;

U.N. Briefing on Relief for Victims of Earthquakes & Floods
Jan Egeland, U.N. Undersecretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs, briefs the press on United Nation relief efforts for victims of the earthquakes and floods.
12/27/2004: WASHINGTON, DC: 50 min.
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Start at about the 41 minute mark.


147 posted on 12/28/2004 5:01:59 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: rodguy911

Oh, let me clarify.

I was talking about the INTERNATIONAL Red Cross. The American Red Cross is, of course, a decent organization (for the most part--they have their own problems with corruption, but that isn't the topic). They are totally separate entities. The guy on Fox made the distinction several times.


148 posted on 12/28/2004 5:02:02 PM PST by America_Right (Fox News Channel--Because we have the babes.)
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To: Howlin

Damn Good Question. You incorporated a lot of my concerns. Thanks.


149 posted on 12/28/2004 5:02:12 PM PST by Dale 1
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To: Howlin
A very good organization to give through is Samaritan's Purse ( www.samaritanspurse.org ) which is run by Franklin Graham, Billy Graham's son.

www.samaritanspurse.org

150 posted on 12/28/2004 5:03:37 PM PST by RightWinger
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