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Baptist church 'fake pope' sign attracting attention, criticism (Pope Bound for Hell).
Knoxville News-Sentinel Co. ^ | April 13, 2005 | JEANNINE F. HUNTER

Posted on 04/14/2005 12:00:51 PM PDT by Dean Baker

Baptist church 'fake pope' sign attracting attention, criticism By JEANNINE F. HUNTER, hunter@knews.com April 13, 2005

NEWPORT, Tenn. - Two days after being posted, a church marquee message that questions the purpose of the papacy is still attracting attention in this small community.

"What I am trying to do is to let people know there's only one way to heaven through Jesus Christ," said the Rev. Cline Franklin, pastor of Hilltop Baptist Church. "There's no need for help. God sent his son, Jesus Christ. We're all priests if we're saved. I don't need to go to anybody else to pray."

The sign's side facing Broadway, the main thoroughfare in Newport, reads, "No truth, No hope Following a hell-bound pope!" On the other side, facing the church parking lot, it reads: "False hope in a fake pope."

The message appeared days after Pope John Paul II's funeral last week.

"It is unfortunate when it comes from within the Christian church. It's really sad," said the Rev. Dan Whitman, 54, pastor of Newport's Good Shepherd Catholic parish and Holy Trinity parish in Jefferson City. "You learn how to deal with it and pray not to be that way yourself."

It does not reflect mainstream Baptist thought, said Dr. Merrill "Mel" Hawkins, associate professor of religion and director of the Center for Baptist Studies at Carson-Newman College in Jefferson City.

"When you see signs like that, they are almost like relics or artifacts of a bygone era," Hawkins said.

He spoke about animus between Protestants and Catholics persisting after the Protestant Reformation and for centuries, during which "harsh things were said, couched within misperceptions, misunderstandings."

Among the major misperceptions is that Catholics "venerate the pope on the same level as Jesus," Hawkins said, and that "the pope is connected to their salvation in place of Jesus Christ."

Catholics make up about 12 percent of the population in the South.

"Catholics are a minority faith in the South, and there's often bias toward minority religious communities because people don't understand," he said.

James Gaddis, a lay speaker who also chairs the board at First United Methodist Church, said he had not seen the sign but had heard about it.

"I understand that it's very degrading," he said. "I think it's tragic that any church group would stoop to this posture."

Following Tuesday night's council meeting, Newport Mayor Roland Dykes Jr. said he was a little saddened by the message.

"It doesn't behoove any of us to determine who is going to heaven or hell. I think the pope is a highly, highly respected person," he said.

Franklin's church is a five-year-old independent Baptist church. When asked what the message meant, he said: "What does 'pope' mean? It means father. We have a heavenly father, and the Bible says we shall call no man a father. "

He said people have been driving by or taking pictures or calling to share their views. He said the intent was not to offend Catholics and people are misunderstanding the sign.

Copyright 2005, Knoxville News-Sentinel Co.


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To: Logophile

Allah is originally a moon god.

To be blunt, Mohammed pulled his whole religion out of his rear end . . .grafting together Arab pagan moon practices with most of the old and new testament.

It's fundamentally inconsistent and theologically unsound.


201 posted on 04/14/2005 1:17:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: Dean Baker
iirc, the Mass cycles through the year following the Bible... as for reading the Bible... i was always taught that was something you did at home for homework cause i only had Catechism on thurs afternoons
202 posted on 04/14/2005 1:17:36 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Lekker 1

I don't know.


203 posted on 04/14/2005 1:19:11 PM PDT by Modernman ("I'm in favor of limited government unless it limits what I want government to do."- dirtboy)
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To: Designed

Doesn't make a difference. There was still no "New Testament" to be preached from, and it would be preposterous to assume that everything they preached - every miracle recounted - every parable told - ended up in the canon.

Everything IN the canon is truth, but the story of salvation continues to unfold, otherwise, how could anyone even begin to defend Luther, who used no Scriptural citation in his infamous "95 Theses" - based on his interpretation of tradition and with no support from Scripture.


204 posted on 04/14/2005 1:19:12 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: FreepinforTerri

205 posted on 04/14/2005 1:20:30 PM PDT by conservonator (Blank by popular demand)
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To: Dean Baker

I've been rolling this around for several weeks:

It seems to me that, at the Last Day, everyone will finally see the Truth. We will know things are true that we only thought were true, and we will know things are false that we thought were false. We will be shocked to learn that some things we thought false are actually true, and probably equally shocked to learn that some things we thought true are patently false. Once that process has happened, we will all find ourselves sharing one common position on every subject, and it won't be my position or your position or the Pope's position -- it will be God's position. I don't have much insight into the exact process, whether it would be instant or prolonged, but I'm comfortable with the idea that we'll all get the "Final Judgment Day revelation of the Big Picture of Truth" or, as some may choose to put it, "The Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything."

It seems to me that some constructive things come out of this line of thinking:
One is that, since we're all going to at last agree with God's view of things anyway, we'd be wise to get a head start. The key, here, is that I cease pursuing truth for truth's sake, or for the sake of my pride in being right, or far any other reason aside from pursuing truth for the sake of being in agreement with God; knowing His mind on the issue. You or I could be wrong; He is never wrong.

Another is that, although we may disagree in the present, with this future reality in mind, we are now forced to do so with an entirely different attitude; one of humility and willingness to be wrong -- even if we're really, REALLY sure that we're right. Regardless of WHAT we disagree about we know we'll be in agreement at some future point, so the present-day reality is that HOW we disagree becomes an equally important concern. The attitude and demeanor of our disagreement must be transformed from adversarial to collaborative; from one of division to one of unity. We must recognize that one (or perhaps both) of us will be changing our minds one day, and that it won't be MY doing or YOUR doing -- I won't "win" the debate and neither will you -- it will be HIS doing. He, The LORD of Hosts will win the debate. We are thus liberated from the need to be in a specific camp -- "I follow Paul. I follow Apollos." -- and free to persevere with one another; to dispassionately and objectively, with love and humility, pick through the finest elements of any debate seeking, not personal vindication but, the very heart and mind of God.

All who are in Christ Jesus sit, together, at a single table over 2000 years long with Our Lord at the Head. And shall we now dignify His Holy sacrifice for us by taking up the Bread and Wine and having a food fight? What an appalling notion! Yet, I submit to my brethren, this is precisely what has been done. We stand with crumbs in our hair, wine on our clothes, arms waving, bickering back and forth at each other and, all the while, Jesus reclines calmly at the head of the table with this quizzical half-smile on his face thinking, "Boy they're really going to feel foolish when The Father brings it all down to a close and they finally see the real Truth." And we WILL. Every last single one of us will.

So, how ought we then live?

Just something I've been thinking about & thought I'd share


206 posted on 04/14/2005 1:20:43 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Rex regum et Dominus dominantium)
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To: lizma

When I was in Catholic grade school we had what was called Bible history. It was the Bible made accessable to young children. In High School we studied the actual Bible. But the Catholic Church does not encourage people to interpret the Bible own their own. That is why there are 3 scripture readings during the Mass that are usually interpreted during the Homily.


207 posted on 04/14/2005 1:20:57 PM PDT by Barb4Bush
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To: JohnnyZ

Well, all I know is that I am still praying, and the candy bar hasn't shown up yet. I think the Shinto Priest might win...because Shinto is such a cool word and it's fun to say.


208 posted on 04/14/2005 1:21:07 PM PDT by Lekker 1 ("There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be attainable"- Albert Einstein)
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To: Dean Baker

There is but one who will decide who enters and who is cast out... It is not for us to say.
It seems to me that any man who assumes the ability to make that determination, minister or not, does so at great peril of angering a vengeful God.


209 posted on 04/14/2005 1:21:07 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Dean Baker
Yea, well I sat in a Catholic church with my friend's family and listened to priest say that non-Catholics were hell bound. Such is life.

Protestant's typically do not recognize the Pope as anything more than the top preacher of a very large church. They do not necessarily acknowledge him as God's direct representative on Earth. Furthermore, protestants typically believe that worship of the Pope is blasphemous.

Judging from all the nasty comments on this thread it appears that many people are ignorant of the long standing differences between Catholicism and Protestantism.

I'm no theological scholar however so this is all just my opinion.
210 posted on 04/14/2005 1:21:26 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: FreepinforTerri

Yes, if dunking is defaming, then Christ should have punched John the Baptist in the kisser.

Plus the whole Holy Spirit coming down as a dove and God, Himself, saying "This is my Son, with whom I am pleased." (paraphrase).

LOL. Dunk, dribble, whatever.

As long as it is in the name of the father, son, and holy spirit.

In fact, the most touching Baptism I ever saw involved a soldier, 4 other soldier praying, and a flight mechanic from Louisiana with a dirty canteen.


211 posted on 04/14/2005 1:22:09 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: concerned about politics

I know that many pagan rituals have been "Christianized" by the Church in the past, which was actually a good idea, took something bad and used it to remind of of Christ(e.g. Christmas Trees). But honestly the "Roman Bablylonian Brotherhood" theory reeks of conspiracy theory stuff. I wouldn't call it simple history at all.


212 posted on 04/14/2005 1:22:16 PM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: Verginius Rufus
and the people from other regions of the country who have moved to the South in recent decades.

The Catholic population in the South has exploded in growth over the last 15 years, mostly due to Yankees (midwest, northeast, all types) and partly due to Hispanic immigration.

213 posted on 04/14/2005 1:22:20 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: jbloedow

#41 was well said.


214 posted on 04/14/2005 1:23:04 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Darkwolf

Pope John Paul II was a decent, godly man. Even I, a doubting Protestant who almost never goes to church, could see that. It's possible to disagree with parts of the RC theology without concluding that fine man, who did more to advance the teachings of Christianity than any other one man in the twentieth century, without smearing him and saying he's bound for Hell.


215 posted on 04/14/2005 1:23:25 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Blogger

Excuse Me? Carson-Newman is my Alma Mater and first off it's not a Baptist school, it's a Liberal Arts college affiliated with the Tennessee baptist Convention. And second, Carson-Newman is very much a conservative school in it's teachings of Christ and religion. I'm not sure what you mean by ....someone who is an inclusivist or worse...All I can say is You judge that which you do not know.


216 posted on 04/14/2005 1:23:50 PM PDT by CrazyJoeDivola
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To: Dean Baker
We have a heavenly father, and the Bible says we shall call no man a father. "

Is this why they call their fathers "Daddy" even as grown men?

217 posted on 04/14/2005 1:24:08 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: Lekker 1
Is not the name "Allah" cognate with the name "Elohim" (Plural of Eloh)?

In ancient Hebrew, "Allahom" means "The curse", or "Allah" means "curse". If Israel turned it's back on God, they would suffer "Allahom." (That one is in the Tora)

218 posted on 04/14/2005 1:24:12 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Yea, well I sat in a Catholic church with my friend's family and listened to priest say that non-Catholics were hell bound. Such is life.

Having attended literally thousands of Catholic Masses, I have never heard a priest make a similar claim.

219 posted on 04/14/2005 1:25:09 PM PDT by conservonator (Blank by popular demand)
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To: Dean Baker

This clown just sounds like a jerk no matter what your faith is.


220 posted on 04/14/2005 1:25:16 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: SF Republican

And LOT lived in Sodom, too!

HE lost everything he had, and got his daughters pregnant as well!


221 posted on 04/14/2005 1:25:49 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: concerned about politics
In ancient Hebrew, "Allahom" means "The curse", or "Allah" means "curse".

Now that's just creepy. Thanks, I stand corrected.

222 posted on 04/14/2005 1:26:19 PM PDT by Lekker 1 ("There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be attainable"- Albert Einstein)
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To: Modernman
I don't think the Jewish religion would claim that all Jews go to heaven.

No. They believe they simply sleep. I saw it on the History Channel.
They don't believe in the resurrection, nor Christ.

223 posted on 04/14/2005 1:26:33 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: lizma

I didn't stick with it longer because...

1) In Nowhere, Indiana, where I grew up, there is only a grade school Catholic school.

2) I would have probably been booted. I didn't like it. All my friends went elsewhere.

3) My "Family" did not practice. My dad was Catholic but didn't practive anymore and mom wasn't Catholic (I'm pretty sure I went to the Catholic school to make grandmaw happy). I went to church every Sunday, alone, for 6 years. And only because the school said I had too.



Anyway...Now that I think back. I just find it odd that we didn't really "Study" the bible. It seems, now, that the school was more interested in teaching Catholic Doctrin. I guess??


224 posted on 04/14/2005 1:26:45 PM PDT by Dean Baker
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Going to a church doesn't make you a Christian any more than being in a garage makes you a car.

But won't your car last longer, and stay cleaner, if it's garage-kept?

225 posted on 04/14/2005 1:27:46 PM PDT by XR7
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To: conservonator
Having attended literally thousands of Catholic Masses, I have never heard a priest make a similar claim.

Very true.

226 posted on 04/14/2005 1:28:03 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper
As a Lutheran, I have objections with the Catholic Church's theology. That said, I wonder who died and made the Rev. Franklin God?

BUMP!

227 posted on 04/14/2005 1:28:05 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

Not to take one side or the other, but I've never seen or heard of a Catholic saying such things. I have heard it the other way though.

But then again, Catholocism is only 1 against about a bazillion types of other "Christian" religions? So...It's not really a fair comparison.


228 posted on 04/14/2005 1:29:17 PM PDT by Dean Baker
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To: concerned about politics
You know why that is? Most people think you worship a mortal - Mary.

*shrug*

If "most people" are too ignorant to educate themselves on the Catholic faith, then I suppose they can think whatever they like.

229 posted on 04/14/2005 1:29:52 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Dean Baker

The Nicene Creed is recited at every RC Mass, it is the old, from the Council of Constantinople in 381 A.D and summarizes the Catholic Faith (FYI for all non RCs on this Board):

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."

And no, we don't worship our Blessed Mother. God Bless You.


230 posted on 04/14/2005 1:31:23 PM PDT by wrathof59 ("to the Everlasting Glory of the Infantry".........Robert A Heinlein)
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To: rmichaelj
I know that many pagan rituals have been "Christianized" by the Church in the past, which was actually a good idea, took something bad and used it to remind of of Christ(e.g. Christmas Trees). But honestly the "Roman Bablylonian Brotherhood" theory reeks of conspiracy theory stuff. I wouldn't call it simple history at all.

No. It's fact. Like I said, it happened back during the Inquisition. Rome needed the Church to fight. The rituals bled over into Catholicism. That's why they're not found in the Bible.
Today, there's still a Babylonian Brotherhood, but I have no idea what they're up to now.

231 posted on 04/14/2005 1:31:49 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: netmilsmom
"My Jesus is better than your Jesus!"

ROFL!
...
232 posted on 04/14/2005 1:32:09 PM PDT by mugs99 (Restore the Constitution)
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To: libstripper

I couldn't have said it better!!

And that coming not from a doubting Protistant, but a doubting Catholic. (Good way to phrase it).


233 posted on 04/14/2005 1:32:14 PM PDT by Dean Baker
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To: concerned about politics

again, source please?


234 posted on 04/14/2005 1:32:27 PM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: Bigh4u2

Exactly.


235 posted on 04/14/2005 1:32:49 PM PDT by Designed
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To: mcg1969

Paul did not contradict the Lord, whose words are always helpful. An older, more accurate English translation reveals the true meaning of 1 Cor 5:12-13. And I would not "condemn" a Pastor despite his error. Because how is that any different from someone condemning the Pope?


236 posted on 04/14/2005 1:33:09 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: concerned about politics; malakhi
No. They believe they simply sleep. I saw it on the History Channel.

I bet you stayed at a Hoiliday Inn once too.

You either heard wrong, didn't understand, or were misinformed.

Judaism101 and AskMoses.com

237 posted on 04/14/2005 1:33:18 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: jbloedow

Thanks for the insight. Well said!!


238 posted on 04/14/2005 1:33:47 PM PDT by Dean Baker
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To: concerned about politics

The Inquisition had zero to do with the "Romanization" of the Church. The Seat of Peter - the Bishop of Rome - was considered the naval of the faith long before the Inquisition, which was launched to counter the Catharists who insisted that Jesus did not have a Divine nature and that heaven and hell existed side-by-side (equal in power)


239 posted on 04/14/2005 1:35:08 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Dean Baker
But now that I look back at my 6 years of Catholic school, I do find it odd that we never "Studied the Bible".

To properly study the Bible you need to have something in which to contextualize it, such as the Catechism. You need to be able to see how one Gospel truth squares with all the others, or it would be very easy to get the wrong idea from a passage out of context, and then you'd be very confused, and that doesn't help. Lacking context and tradition you get the millions of different personal interpretations known as Protestantism.

Studying the Bible is a good thing, and highly recommended -- but you also have to be aware that "the Devil can quote Scripture for his purpose" and lead you astray.

240 posted on 04/14/2005 1:35:59 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: Red Badger
"I'm Baptist and I believe what Christ said about whenever any two are together, there He is also......."

whenever any two are together IN HIS NAME, . . .

241 posted on 04/14/2005 1:36:00 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: Dean Baker
Anyway...Now that I think back. I just find it odd that we didn't really "Study" the bible. It seems, now, that the school was more interested in teaching Catholic Doctrin. I guess??

It is odd considering the Catholic Church teaches and has always taught that Sacred Scripture is the inerrant word of God and the catechism specifically references and quotes Sacred Scripture.

At best I would suggest you require more study before you can speak intelligiently about the Catholic faith versus just speaking about your unique experience.

242 posted on 04/14/2005 1:36:01 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: BibChr

Very good (the blog, too)!!!


243 posted on 04/14/2005 1:36:53 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: libstripper

I agree. It serves no purpose. I am not one of these religion-bashers, but this is precisely the kind of thing that makes me laugh at the supposed "superiority" of "believers" who claim to be so much better than everyone else. There is a particularly ugly streak among religious folks who claim the authority to decide who's going to hell and who isn't.


244 posted on 04/14/2005 1:36:56 PM PDT by Darkwolf (Yankee Agnostic Free-Speech Advocate)
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To: Dean Baker
"What I am trying to do is to let people know there's only one way to heaven through Jesus Christ," said the Rev. Cline Franklin, pastor of Hilltop Baptist Church. "There's no need for help. God sent his son, Jesus Christ. We're all priests if we're saved. I don't need to go to anybody else to pray."

Well then, pastor, I guess your services aren't required.

245 posted on 04/14/2005 1:37:29 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: adiaireton8; All

NIV Matthew 5:20
   For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
NIV Matthew 18:3
   And he said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
 
NIV Matthew 18:32-35
 32.  "Then the master called the servant in. `You wicked servant,' he said, `I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to.
 33.  Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?'
 34.  In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
 35.  "This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart."
 
NIV Luke 13:2-5
2.  Jesus answered, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way?
 3.  I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
 4.  Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them--do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem?
 5.  I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."
 
NIV John 3:3
  In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "
 
NIV John 3:5
   Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.
 
NIV John 6:53
5  Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
 
NIV John 15:4
   Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.
 
Acts 15
 
 1.  Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved."
 2.  This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question.
 3.  The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the brothers very glad.
 4.  When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
 5.  Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."
 6.  The apostles and elders met to consider this question.
 7.  After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.
 8.  God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
 9.  He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.
 10.  Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
 11.  No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
 
NIV 2 Corinthians 13:5
  Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless , of course, you fail the test?
 
NIV 2 Timothy 2:5
   Similarly, if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not receive the victor's crown unless he competes according to the rules.

246 posted on 04/14/2005 1:37:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: NittanyLion
You know why that is? Most people think you worship a mortal - Mary.

*shrug*

If "most people" are too ignorant to educate themselves on the Catholic faith, then I suppose they can think whatever they like.

Well, that's what they think. They see statues and prayers to Mary. What else would they think?
People who aren't Catholic find no need to understand. Why would they? They're not Catholic! They could care less about Mary. She was born into sin like everyone else. The Bible says very little about her after Christs arrival.

247 posted on 04/14/2005 1:38:02 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: concerned about politics

OK, since you wouldn't give me a source on the "Babylonian Brotherhood" I looked it up myself on the internet. The very questionable "sources" I found seem to describe a secret race of men/extraterestrials who interbred with reptiles sometime after the great flood and who now have a secret organization controlling the world.

Sigh.

I'm moving on now.


248 posted on 04/14/2005 1:38:18 PM PDT by rmichaelj
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To: Dean Baker
Hopefully the flames will remain low...

ROFL........ good luck

249 posted on 04/14/2005 1:38:49 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (“When you’re hungry, you eat; when you’re a frog, you leap; if you’re scared, get a dog.”)
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To: concerned about politics
You know why that is? Most people think you worship a mortal - Mary.

That's because those people are too ignorant and lazy to find out about others' beliefs. They are arrogantly blissful in their ignorance.

250 posted on 04/14/2005 1:38:59 PM PDT by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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