Ted Turner said, "Christianity is an eco-unfriendly religion". Turner actively crusades for cleaner transportation, sustainable population growth, wilderness conservation and greener business.
Posted on 04/27/2005 10:53:52 AM PDT by meandog
Jane Fonda talks about how she is 'riveted' by faith and why feminism is what Jesus taught
From her longtime political activism to her Oscar-winning acting, Jane Fonda has never done anything halfheartedly, and she brings this characteristic intensity to her faith. When she talks about "feeling the presence of the Almighty," her view of Jesus, and the way she prays, her voice wells from deep within her chest. You may know this voice from her films (among dozens of others: Barbarella, Klute, On Golden Pond, and currently in theaters, Monster-in-Law), or from her aerobics videos ("feel the burn!"), or from film reels from the sixties, when she spoke out against the Vietnam War. Fonda, now 67, spoke with us recently about her spirituality.
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Can you imagine 100 or 500 lurkers at a leftist rally loadin' up on Red Man at a designated time mark, and then lettin' fly?
We should make Red Man the right-wing equivalent of the left-wing's pies. And if they don't like it...
As John Lukacs showed conclusively in his scholarly book The Hitler of History, Hitler had deeply anti-Christian views by 1919, and was in no way ever a sincere Christian, except possibly for a brief period in his early teens. But even that much is uncertain, since the sources for his supposed early teen Catholicism are unreliable.
Yes! He even went so far as to call himself Christian.
The very thing you said he didn't do.
Exactly. Spit in their eye(s).
No matter what wrongs she's committed in the past (and still does to this day), Jane Fonda might well be a Christian.
it's about as credible as her apology. Fine Jane, be a Christian. Don't tell me about it. I'm not the one you need to impress. I'm actually praying for her, in a general sense.
I think cake_crumb has her pegged.
The quote you chose displays, for the reader who knows something of history, religion and philosophy, Hitler's distorted Nieztchean misconceptions cloaked in Christian bromides. The gist of the message is itself anti-Christian ubermensch folderol, a message of pagan rage not Christian love.
I posted what proved Hitler made claims of being Christian.
I don't care to parse what actually makes one a Christian.
k2blader wrote To: meandog
"No matter what wrongs she's committed in the past (and still does to this day), Jane Fonda might well be a Christian."
I agree, Jane Fonda might be a Christian, but it's really irrelevant to most of the discussion about Jane Fonda. Jane Fonda's alleged adoption of Christianity is just one of the red herrings used by Jane Fonda and her defenders to divert attention from the most troublesome parts of Jane Fonda's life.
red herring - is something intended to divert attention from the real problem or matter at hand; a misleading clue.
Jane Fonda's supporters rely on red herrings to divert attention from Jane Fonda's real flaws, including those flaws that rise to the level of treason.
Here are three of the most common Jane Fonda red herrings.
1. We need to forgive Jane Fonda and move on.
2. She apologized.
3. She is a born-again Christian.
None of the three red herrings above is atonement for treason.
ANS-1. Individuals can forgive Jane Fonda in their hearts, but Jane Fonda is still at large for treason, namely, giving "aid and comfort" to foreign powers at war with the United States.
ANS-2. Jane Fonda's so-called apologies amount to "I'm sorry I got caught." The latest apology in her book and in her latest media blitz can be taken more as an apology to her supporters that she was caught.
Americans are at heart, a gentle, forgiving people and we are suckers for an apology, but by accepting the so-called apologies, we take Jane Fonda of the hook for her real offenses, namely subversion of U.S. military forces at a time of national peril and war, and rendering aid and comfort to an enemy, namely, treason.
ANS-3. The alleged Jane Fonda conversion to Christianity takes our eyes off the ball again. Is Jane Fonda a born again Christian? Yes, or no, only God knows for sure, and it doesn't erase her record of subversion and treason because there is no atonement, no admission of her errors except to say things like she is sorry she "hurt people."
In fact, aside from her embarrassment at being caught giving aid and comfort to the enemy AA gun crew, she does not acknowledge that she was in fact giving aid and comfort to the enemy, and she is defiant in defending her other actions such as her propaganda broadcasts on Radio Hanoi.
Consider the following:
1. "Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9:00 a.m. to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement. Visits to Hanoi by people like Jane Fonda and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war, and that she would struggle along with us." - Bui Tin, Colonel, People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN) in Wall Street Journal article, Thursday August 3, 1995 (A8). -- Reference: Following Ho Chi Minh: The Memoirs of a North Vietnamese Colonel by Tin Bui (1999 PB) Read also, General Bui Tin of the North Vietnamese Army tells all.
2. "The GRU and KGB helped fund just about every antiwar movement and organization in America and abroad... What will be a great surprise to the American people is that GRU and KGB had a larger budget for antiwar propaganda in the United States than it did for economic and military support to the Vietnamese." - Russian defector Staanislov Lunev in 'Through the Eyes of the Enemy'(page 78).
3. Michael Benge was an American civilian held POW by the North Vietnamese communists. After being asked if he would like to meet with Jane Fonda, Benge told his captors he would tell Fonda "...about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as 'humane and lenient.'" Benge said that when the Vietnamese found out his intentions; "I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel re-bar placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped."
Other Jane Fonda red herrings include bulimia, her mother's suicide and her three philandering husbands.
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Richard Rongstad
Republic of Vietnam 1969-1970
Vietnam vet against John Kerry
http://vikingphoenix.com/
It's ok... "A country girl will survive." LOL
Ted Turner said, "Christianity is an eco-unfriendly religion". Turner actively crusades for cleaner transportation, sustainable population growth, wilderness conservation and greener business.
Ted Turner said, "Christianity is an eco-unfriendly religion". Turner actively crusades for cleaner transportation, sustainable population growth, wilderness conservation and greener business.
And it will all be over in 11 months and 29 days........
All she had to do was keep her mouth shut and act. She couldn't do that. Now I don't think there is one Vietnam Vet that doesn't despise her.
Don't know what to say about this one.
I do remember the first time I say the Hanoi Jane Urinal target. It was at the court house in the county I grew up in.
I ask my Dad why the cops where laughing so hard about peeing on that picture. It took him five minutes to stop laughing and finally tell me why.
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