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Shooters seek handgun law change (UK)
BBC Sport ^ | 2005/08/19 08:43:22 GMT | Andrew Fraser

Posted on 08/19/2005 12:28:00 PM PDT by neverdem

The government has been urged to relax gun laws which make it illegal for Britain's top pistol shooters to train in England, Scotland and Wales.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke has given special permission for pistol events to be staged at the London 2012 Olympics.

But British team members face having to do all their 2012 preparations abroad.

"It would be fantastic if they were given the ability to compete on a level playing field," said British shooting's performance chief John Leighton-Dyson.

"I would like to think reasonable people will be able to have reasonable discussions and come to reasonable conclusions about this."

We must be allowed to train on the same level as other athletes if we're to have a reasonable chance of competing effectively


British shooting's performance director John Leighton-Dyson

Laws banning most types of handguns were introduced after gun enthusiast Thomas Hamilton killed 16 schoolchildren and their teacher at Dunblane Primary School in March 1996.

As a result, British shooters who compete in the rapid fire, 50m pistol men and 25m pistol women Olympic events can only train in Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands or Isle of Man.

Team members currently spend about 20 to 30 days a year training in Switzerland, and receive no funding because their events are illegal in the UK.

The Home Office agreed to relax the law so the three events can be staged in 2012, as it did for the 2002 Commonwealth Games events, although stringent security measures will still be required.

But the government's current stance is that there will be no further concessions for training in the build-up to the Games.

Japan, which has similar gun laws to Britain, gives its elite pistol shooters a special exemption.

And Leighton-Dyson is keen to set up talks with the government, the British Olympic Association and London's organising committee in an attempt to broker a similar compromise.

"It is very difficult for us to get young people to come into a sport they can't practise domestically," he told BBC Sport.

The banning of handguns wasn't a matter of eroding personal freedoms


Home Office spokesperson

"The British team in 2012 will be the biggest we can possibly put out because we are playing at home.

"We must be allowed to train and prepare on the same level as other athletes if we are to have a reasonable chance of competing effectively."

The International Olympic Committee has received letters from various parties since London won hosting rights for 2012 asking it to push for changes in Britain's gun laws.

But IOC spokeswoman Giselle Davies said: "We are totally comfortable with what has been put in place for Games time."

A Home Office spokesperson said the laws had been voted in by an "overwhelming majority" of MPs.

"The banning of handguns wasn't a matter of eroding personal freedoms, it was a matter of ensuring that what had been shown to be a terrible, if statistically small, risk was removed," she said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2012olympics; bang; banglist; gunfreeparadise
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1 posted on 08/19/2005 12:28:00 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Can't dare let the subjects near guns..


2 posted on 08/19/2005 12:29:39 PM PDT by G32
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To: neverdem
"The banning of handguns wasn't a matter of eroding personal freedoms, it was a matter of ensuring that what had been shown to be a terrible, if statistically small, risk was removed," she said.

Well, at least she admits it. Egad, the Horror. England is doomed.

3 posted on 08/19/2005 12:32:57 PM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: neverdem
But British team members face having to do all their 2012 preparations abroad.

If I were them I'd do all my living abroad also.

4 posted on 08/19/2005 12:33:40 PM PDT by Bacon Man (If God didn't intend for us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them out of meat.)
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To: MadIvan

ping


5 posted on 08/19/2005 12:35:32 PM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: xsrdx
"The banning of handguns wasn't a matter of eroding personal freedoms, it was a matter of ensuring that what had been shown to be a terrible, if statistically small, risk was removed," she said.

I'd better grab some duct tape before my head explodes.

6 posted on 08/19/2005 12:37:11 PM PDT by AngryJawa (Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?)
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To: adam_az

This is lawmaking on the fly. The handgun law was done in a panic because of the Dunblane massacre; it is going to take years to undo.

Regards, Ivan


7 posted on 08/19/2005 12:37:35 PM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan

If it can be undone. Good luck.


8 posted on 08/19/2005 12:41:03 PM PDT by glock rocks (Let's light this candle.)
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To: neverdem
Team members currently spend about 20 to 30 days a year training in Switzerland, and receive no funding because their events are illegal in the UK.

That won’t make it, even for local competitions. When I was shooting competitively on an Army team we fired every day, anything from 500 – 1000 rounds a day. It took a month to get up to speed just for the local round.

"The banning of handguns wasn't a matter of eroding personal freedoms, it was a matter of ensuring that what had been shown to be a terrible, if statistically small, risk was removed," she said.

OK, and what has happened to the handgun crime rate since that risk was removed?
9 posted on 08/19/2005 12:41:38 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: neverdem
Right!!! Well then... henceforth, all things sharp will be banned, and all things pointy shall also be banned, and anything that is sharp AND pointy is right out.

Also, things that are blunt are banned, and things that are heavy are banned, and things that are blunt AND heavy are RIGHT OUT AS WELL!!!

Well, lets see... that about cover it then???

10 posted on 08/19/2005 12:41:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: neverdem

That's really sad. Every single Brit I know swears up and down they are "free". I always disagree with them, but I guess they're happy for the most part.


11 posted on 08/19/2005 12:43:22 PM PDT by Join Or Die
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To: neverdem

---"I would like to think reasonable people will be able to have reasonable discussions and come to reasonable conclusions about this."---

This guy's a real joker!


12 posted on 08/19/2005 1:00:39 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: neverdem
"The banning of handguns wasn't a matter of eroding personal freedoms..."

And he added, "Stupidity is Intelligence, Death is Life, Slavery is Freedom."

13 posted on 08/19/2005 1:01:47 PM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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OK, and what has happened to the handgun crime rate since that risk was removed?

It became statistically larger.

A forseen consequence by many shooters here in the USA.

14 posted on 08/19/2005 1:02:46 PM PDT by elbucko
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--"I would like to think reasonable people will be able to have reasonable discussions and come to reasonable conclusions about this."---

This guy's a real joker!

Translated the former means: "You're all gonna do it my way!"

It would have made Orwell proud.

15 posted on 08/19/2005 1:07:47 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Chode

You may be writing ironically, but that's what's coming to pass in formerly Great Britain. A numbef of nutcase doctors are actually trying to get chefs' knives outlawed.


16 posted on 08/19/2005 1:35:20 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: elbucko

Gun crime has indeed exploded in the UK: from almost non-existent to statistically insignificant!

Just compare the figures per 100,000 people for the USA and the UK and tell me who is safer...


17 posted on 08/19/2005 1:58:34 PM PDT by ukman
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To: neverdem

God gives all His creatures the right to self defense...

The King usurps God by taking away this right from creatures
God created in His own image..

Down the British...up the Rebels....

One if by land
Two if by sea
Three if by way
of Washington D.C.


18 posted on 08/19/2005 2:04:13 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: libstripper
Image hosted by Photobucket.com yeah, i wrote it when that came up and now use it when ever they sprout their lunacy... 8^)
19 posted on 08/19/2005 2:08:52 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: elbucko

Yep.


20 posted on 08/19/2005 3:05:30 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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