Man killed on American Airlines flight

Denver Rocky Mountain News ^ | December 7, 2005 | Associated Press

[Revolting cat!]

Perhaps you're off your meds.

And if you are, please, stay clear off the airports!

[Hank Rearden]

In one corner, you will have the 9/11 Commission members spouting that this is proof we are not prepared.

Actually, it somewhat demonstrates the opposite, so that argument won't fly (and, by the way, neither should lunatics) - except maybe on DU.

[Dave278]

To get the 7 to 10 percent number you would have to know how many mentally disturbed people that there are in the total world population. So 7 to 10 percent of how many?

[reagan_fanatic]

Sorry it had to turn out the way it did, but the woman should have never allowed her Husband to try and board a plane in that condition, especially after 9/11.

A hard lesson learned.

[RVN Airplane Driver]

Sounds like the som beech needed killin!!

[GianniV]

Sorry - meant "the wife of the man"

[wideawake]

I guess your parents are still responsible for everything you do too huh?

You miss the point, AlmondJoy.

A caregiver may be found civilly liable for the actions of someone in their care if they were negligent.

Courts in MI and CA have rendered judgments against the psychiatrists and the parents of mentally ill individuals who harmed others because caregivers have neglected to take proper precautions or have failed to warn others.

In the MI case, I believe that it was parents who knew their mentally ill son had a violent history, yet they left a firearm where he could easily reach it and he shot a neighbor.

[Loud Mime]

---2005 version of "No yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater!"---

Stephen Wright: I once walked into a crowded firehouse and yelled "movie!"

[TheCrusader]

"I find yours even more disturbing---- Only 7-10% of mentally ill patients have violent histories-most are intoverted, isolate, or are reponding therapeuticaly to medication--- We have a very skewed perception of this populace"

Your observations about some boneheads on this thread who callously joked about or ridiculed mental illness are right on the mark. It's hard to understand that in these times there are still people who think only body parts like hearts, kidneys, lungs and livers can become diseased, but not brains. To them, when a diseased or malfunctioning brain occurs it should be laughed at or looked down upon. Marginalizing or ridiculing people who endure mental illness is the pinnacle of immaturity.

The air marshal made an excellent decision, anything less and he would have been negligent in his duties, but there is no need to make condescending remarks about "shipping mentally ill passengers by bus or Fed X". Thanks for your post, 101st-Eagle.

[devolve]

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- Rigoberto Alpizar

- 44 years old

- His photo is on MSNBC right now

- Traveling with his wife

- Allegedly a US citizen

- Flew in from Medellin Columbia

- (a really great vacation spot!)

- "I have a bomb!"

- Must have been reaching for 'legal' 4" scissors

--

What a shockeroo!

--

- Born in the USA?

- Criminal record?

- If not - Entered the USA legally and when?

- If naturalized as a US citizen - When & where?

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- "Off his meds" his wife sez -

- Buenos nachos & salsa Rigoberto!

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I wonder how many young Muslim men will now still try to scare passengers or act strangely on flights now?

[longtermmemmory]

The air marshal did exactly what he was supposed to do.

It is now time for us, the public, to rally behind the air marshal for doing his job.

Now we are going to have the looney left jump up and down with outrage.

Don't forget the moonbat wexler is from that area of florida.

[Wolfstar]

This story will serve as the perfect illustrator of the no win situation Bush is in. In one corner, you will have the 9/11 Commission members spouting that this is proof we are not prepared. In the other corner you will have the ACLU and the libs ranting that this person's due process rights were violated and that marshals should not be allowed on planes.

And in a third corner you'll have the self-styled "real" conservatives who will find something about this incident with which to bash GWB and/or Republicans.

[Born in a Rage]

Wolf is stretching it...if the guy is an American citizen, he knows English.

People with mental conditions go on planes all of the time. Maybe this man was suicidal and wanted to get shot.

[bray]

Nice shooting! Wonder is this mental patient's name is Achmed??

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

[Almondjoy]

Well I don't believe that it says anywhere that he was in her care.

[JamesP81]

I agree. I'm not sure responses in this post rejoice in the death of the individual as much as they rejoice in the fact that air marshals did "what I had to do, Festus". Air marshals can't take a chance that someone may not be serious in their threats. It is sad that a life had to be taken. On the other hand, how many lives could have been saved had this been a real threat? No one can answer that, yet it is something that, post 9/11, must be considered. I don't rejoice in a death, yet I do rejoice in the fact that our defenses have apparently worked. Yes, it may have been an innocent person killed(all the facts aren't in), but that's really beside the point. I myself am on numerous medications to preserve my life (if I don't take them I die...I wouldn't be a threat). I know the consequences of my actions should I not take them. The individual killed (or his wife) should certainly have known the possible consequences of not taking the medications prior to flight. There is no excuse for someone ignoring common sense. He and his wife are responsible, and should be held accountable.

I agree 100% with everything that you just said. Hopefully, wideawake won't decide you're not taking your meds, like he has in my case.

[khnyny]

"Shouldn't they perhaps have wondered how he got the aleged "bomb" through security?
Uhhh, no. Have you seen the screeners?"

Actually, the screeners aren't the problem. Plastic explosives are. Seems there isn't any reliable detection method. Comforting, isn't it?

As to the incident, the Air Marshall did his job. There was no way to know if this was a legitimate threat or not. I feel very sorry for the poor man and his wife though, and am disappointed at some of the thoughtless jokes on this thread.

[wideawake]

Well I don't believe that it says anywhere that he was in her care.

He was ill and she is his wife.

You don't need some kind of "caregiver's certificate" to prove in civil court that he relied on her at least in part for help with his disease.

If he had a history of kidney problems, was off his kidney meds and suddenly collapsed on the floor with kidney failure and she didn't call 911, no one would buy that her failure to contact health professionals was OK because she wasn't his doctor.

The husband was having a serious medical problem and she didn't alert authorities until he had already started a dangerous incident.

She had important knowledge that could have saved his life and she withheld it, endangering her husband and others.

[wideawake]

Hopefully, wideawake won't decide you're not taking your meds, like he has in my case.

I won't, because bcsco has not seconded your preposterous assertion that posters were "rejoicing" in this guy's death.

[Gondring]

Rigoberto Alpizar, from CNN