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Hollowed bullet easy to get & hard to survive
NY Daily News ^ | 12/12/05 | ALISON GENDAR and DAVE GOLDINER

Posted on 12/13/2005 9:20:22 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Hollowed bullet easy to get & hard to survive

BY ALISON GENDAR and DAVE GOLDINER DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Hollow-point bullets like the one used in the slaying of Officer Daniel Enchautegui are much deadlier than ordinary bullets - and nearly as easy to get.

Cops favor using the hollow-point bullets because they are less likely to pass through a target and ricochet into a fellow cop or bystander.

But they want their public sale banned to keep them out of the hands of thugs like Enchautegui's alleged killers, Steven Armento and Lillo Brancato.

"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Armento allegedly shot Enchautegui with his father's .357-caliber handgun, loaded with the hollow-point bullets.

Anyone with a gun permit can buy the hollow-points in a gun shop. They also are readily available on the black market.

"Anybody can go out and buy them," said Michael Palladino, head of the Detectives' Endowment Association.

The main difference between hollow-point and regular, "full-metal jacket" bullets is that the hollow-points flatten on impact and expand inside a target.

The NYPD switched to the new ammo in 1999.

"They are less likely to penetrate the intended target and hit a bystander," said Deputy Police Commissioner Paul Browne.

An on-duty cop's bulletproof vest would likely provide the same protection from a hollow-point as a regular bullet.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; bradywatch; hollowpoints
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To: Dan(9698)
The real purpose of jacketed bullets used by the military is to wound the enemy.

Myth. Nobody working on military ammo today is concerned about anything but "incapacitation" - FMJ is selected for reliable feeding in automatic weapons, and compliance with the law of land warfare.

You might win the battle if you leave combatants alive, but you will lose the war.

41 posted on 12/13/2005 9:45:23 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: TChris

Can you imagine the tedium of hollowing-out enough bullets to equip the NYPD's 50,000 cops? That was hard work.


42 posted on 12/13/2005 9:45:42 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: TheGunny
"There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Heh... can you believe that? People living in an apartment in NYC have no reasonable need to want bullets that won't travel through an intruder ~and~ the next three apartments before coming to rest.

43 posted on 12/13/2005 9:46:06 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: TChris

That said, I carry EFMJs in both CCW guns, H&K .40 USPc and SA 1911.


44 posted on 12/13/2005 9:48:02 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: TChris
XS>These are the same people that required Glock to put a 12.5 lb trigger on a gun which comes with a 5.5 lb trigger.

TC>That's 'cause it helps with the accuracy, you see... ;-)

All mine work just fine with a 3.5lb trigger and are a lot more accurate.

45 posted on 12/13/2005 9:48:33 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: RambozoDClown

Thanks. I'm curious of the damage they cause. I've heard stories but, not actually seen their aftermath. I remember when Dr's were screaming for them to be outlawed because of what they did to their fingers when they thought they were just taking out regular bullets.


46 posted on 12/13/2005 9:49:08 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

WTF kind of stupid statement is this?

47 posted on 12/13/2005 9:52:19 AM PST by Recovering Hermit
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To: xusafflyer
You have to have a gun permit to buy them legally

Not according to the sale I witnessed at a licensed gun shop here in Vegas... No question's asked.

48 posted on 12/13/2005 9:54:12 AM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: HairOfTheDog

"Which is why they are a favored choice for home defense use as well."

Agreed! My .357 is loaded with brass tipped hallow point Dots (I think that is the name). I spent the rdiculous amount because it was advertised to not overpenetrate. If I have to defend myself in my house or a convenience store, I do not want overpenetration (unless I can line the bad guys up.)


49 posted on 12/13/2005 9:54:22 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Dems: "It can't be done" Reps. "Move, we'll find a way or make a way. It has to be done!")
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To: kiriath_jearim
Cops favor using the hollow-point bullets because they are less likely to pass through a target and ricochet into a fellow cop or bystander.

But they want their public sale banned to keep them out of the hands of thugs like Enchautegui's alleged killers, Steven Armento and Lillo Brancato.

"Cops want you untrained gun nuts to use bullets that will pass right through violent felons and kill innocent bystanders. Then we can pass more laws to take those away too. Friggin' gun nuts," stated retired Police Chief and aspiring Democratic city councilman Biff O'Flanahan. /sarc

50 posted on 12/13/2005 9:55:45 AM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

Yeah !!! I'm glad to see another HK USP40 fan.


51 posted on 12/13/2005 9:56:26 AM PST by ßuddaßudd (7 days - 7 ways "Guero")
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To: Dead Corpse
Hornady XTP's rock.

I second that! They load them hot, too, in Hornady's Custom ammo.

52 posted on 12/13/2005 9:57:27 AM PST by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: CommandoFrank

I think you have to have a gun permit to buy any ammo (hollowpoints or FMJ) in NYC.


53 posted on 12/13/2005 9:58:08 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: Tenacious 1
Exactly. hollowpoint, soft tipped, and expanding bullets are the safest choice for a self-defense shooter to have available, and the myopia of this suggestion, that someone defending their home has no need to be concerned about the same risks from 'overpenetrating' bullets that police would have is asinine.

No matter what the situation, the 'safest' bullet is the one that stops in the first thing it hits.

54 posted on 12/13/2005 9:59:02 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Would anyone want to wait around for an ignorant guy like this to protect you from violent felons?

If hollow points are necessary for the cops they're necessary for the rest of us.

55 posted on 12/13/2005 9:59:09 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Have a RamaHanuKwanzMas" - Glenn Beck (And Merry Christmas!) (... and "Happy Holidays!"))
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To: pbrown

Here is a web address you can go to and read about wound ballistics of black talons.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs2.htm


56 posted on 12/13/2005 9:59:54 AM PST by RambozoDClown
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To: pbrown

You have to scroll down a bit.


57 posted on 12/13/2005 10:01:01 AM PST by RambozoDClown
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To: kiriath_jearim
Hollow-point bullets like the one used in the slaying of Officer Daniel Enchautegui are much deadlier than ordinary bullets - and nearly as easy to get. . . . An on-duty cop's bulletproof vest would likely provide the same protection from a hollow-point as a regular bullet.

Was the officer not wearing his vest?

58 posted on 12/13/2005 10:01:04 AM PST by ConservativeBamaFan
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To: CommandoFrank

"You have to have a gun permit to buy them legally
Not according to the sale I witnessed at a licensed gun shop here in Vegas... No question's asked."

This is false. Here in Indiana I can buy any ammo in stock, no questions asked.


59 posted on 12/13/2005 10:01:09 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Dems: "It can't be done" Reps. "Move, we'll find a way or make a way. It has to be done!")
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To: kiriath_jearim
"Our mission is to stop violent felons," said Patrolmen's Benevolent Association President Patrick Lynch. "There is no reason for anyone else to have that ability."

Moron.

It's like these people are from a completely different planet.

60 posted on 12/13/2005 10:01:25 AM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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