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Osteen family leaves plane after dispute (pastor's wife didn't follow a fa's instructions)
Houston Chronicle ^ | 12-21-05 | ARMANDO VILLAFRANCA and HARVEY RICE

Posted on 12/21/2005 6:53:14 AM PST by truthandlife

A dispute involving the wife of Lakewood Church pastor Joel Osteen delayed holiday travel plans for a planeload of passengers, but few details were released Tuesday.

At least some people aboard the Continental Airlines flight were less than pleased after waiting about two hours at Bush Intercontinental Airport while the Osteens left the plane and their luggage was removed, said a woman who witnessed the incident.

"She was just abusive," said Sheila Steele, who said she was sitting behind Victoria Osteen. "She was just like one of those divas."

A church spokesman said the couple and their children left the plane voluntarily after the incident Monday and took another flight to Vail, Colo.

However, FBI Special Agent Luz Garcia said the Osteens were asked to leave the jetliner after an "altercation." She said Victoria Osteen "failed to comply" with instructions from the flight attendant. She added that no one was detained.

The incident occurred in the first class section on Flight 1602. Continental spokeswoman Julie King declined to give details.

The Osteens could not be reached for comment, and the Chronicle was unable to contact other passengers to corroborate Steele's version of events. However, the Vail Daily newspaper reported similar accounts of the incident from other first-class passengers.

Passenger Barbara Griffith told the Colorado paper that Joel Osteen was "very calm, very professional."

Lakewood Church spokesman Donald Iloff said Victoria Osteen contacted a flight attendant after noticing that a liquid had been spilled on her seat. The spill apparently was not cleaned up to her satisfaction, Iloff said. The family left the plane voluntarily and took another flight, Iloff said.

The airline issued a statement saying corporate policy forbids identifying passengers.

"There have been various accounts regarding events that occurred on one of our flights," the statement added. "We can confirm that there are no remaining issues between (Continental Airlines) and those passengers, and therefore, both parties feel no further comment is necessary."

Steele said Victoria Osteen was upset about liquid on her pull-down tray and asked a flight attendant to have it cleaned. When the attendant, who was carrying paperwork to the cockpit, told her she couldn't do it immediately, Osteen replied, "Fine, get me a stewardess who can," Steele said.

She said Victoria Osteen pushed a flight attendant and tried to get into the cockpit. Passengers quoted in the Colorado paper did not address those details.

Soon after, authorities were called to the plane, she said, although it was not clear Tuesday whether they were airline officials.

Garcia said Continental officials contacted the FBI about the incident. The agency decided not to investigate.

"It was quickly resolved between the airline and the Osteens," Garcia said.

Steele said she and other passengers were upset that they had to wait about two hours while the Osteens' baggage was removed from the plane.

Joel Osteen is a nationally known author of self-help books.

He became pastor of Lakewood Church in October 1999, building it into what some observers say is the largest church in the U.S.

Victoria Osteen also preaches and plays a significant role at the church.

The congregation in July moved into the 16,000-seat Compaq Center.


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: apostasy; hitpiece; lakewoodchurch; osteen; primadona
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To: Terabitten

My personal taste is for the old Hymns and Psalms. They just seem to have more "meat" to them than a lot of the contemporary praise & worship music. To me, it's the difference between a 16oz Porterhouse and a bag of Pixie Stix candy.

"Be thou my vision, O Lord of my heart.
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art."

versus

"We love you Lord, we love you, we love you" (repeat 8x)

But, I digress. If the preaching is sound and truthful, God's work will be accomplished:

"For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven
and do not return there but water the earth,
making it bring forth and sprout,
giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
it shall not return to me empty,
but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it." ~Is 55:10-11


81 posted on 12/21/2005 8:37:12 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Hail Him who saved you by His grace, and crown Him Lord of All")
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To: theFIRMbss

"Does that mean Heaven
gets its IS equipment
from Hewlett Packard?"


Unknown, but I know where Hell gets its equipment from...


82 posted on 12/21/2005 8:37:39 AM PST by Blzbba ("Shop Smart. Shop S-Mart" - Ashe, Housewares)
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To: truthandlife

Rule #1: Never take 'self-help' advice from anyone that sounds like, and has the mannerisms of, Tom Daschle.

Osteen gives me the creeps.


John Hagy on the other hand...the preacher tells it like it is brother!


83 posted on 12/21/2005 8:41:28 AM PST by Hammerhead
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To: All

Let's face it....airlines ain't what they used to be.

There's more to this story than meets the eye. Most airlines now suck royally...and the employees have rotten attitudes.


84 posted on 12/21/2005 8:41:32 AM PST by rowhey
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To: ichabod1

I agree - if I paide X number of $'s for a first class seat and found something nasty I would expect that seat to be clean. Yes - I can hear people complaining that a pastor and his wife have no business affording such things but... *rolls eyes*.

They're human, they proved it, let's move on. :-)


85 posted on 12/21/2005 8:45:32 AM PST by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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To: truthandlife

It would appear that Mrs. Pastor Osteen is a "Do you know who I am?" sort of babe.


86 posted on 12/21/2005 8:49:18 AM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: ItsOurTimeNow

Disagree totally. Do what you wish. Keep turning people off.
Meanwhile, Joel, and I, will spread the Gospel. We'll see in heaven who has the greater crowns.


87 posted on 12/21/2005 8:51:34 AM PST by LS
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
"We love you Lord, we love you, we love you" (repeat 8x

We call them 7-11 hymns. 7 words, repeated 11 times.

88 posted on 12/21/2005 8:51:37 AM PST by Terabitten (Illegal immigration causes Representation without Taxation.)
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To: CWW
Flying 1st class to Vail! What ever happened to humble preachers?

Yea, at least Sharpton and Jackson only jet to Aspen for the Holidays.

89 posted on 12/21/2005 8:52:27 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: maxter

I agree.. I am a Catholic and live in Houston and do not attend their church services. But the things this couple has done for people worldwide is amazing. Everybody makes mistakes. She is human.


90 posted on 12/21/2005 8:55:39 AM PST by todd1
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To: truthandlife

Obviously yet another contrived attempt to make Christians look bad.


91 posted on 12/21/2005 8:57:59 AM PST by Gone GF
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To: LS; ItsOurTimeNow
Disagree totally. Do what you wish. Keep turning people off. Meanwhile, Joel, and I, will spread the Gospel. We'll see in heaven who has the greater crowns.

Our place in the Kingdom of Heaven isn't measured by numbers - it's measured by our faithfulness in what we were given, as explained in the parable of the talents.

For every megachurch, there are hundreds of smaller churches faithfully spreading the Gospel of Christ in quieter, "smaller" ways.

Let's agree in Christian brotherhood that God can use as many techniques as He wants to spread His gospel.

92 posted on 12/21/2005 9:01:31 AM PST by Terabitten (Illegal immigration causes Representation without Taxation.)
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To: Terabitten

Yep, I agree with that. I think there is a place for Joel Osteen, for Joyce Meyer, for Kenneth Copeland, for Billy Graham, and for the Pope. Something to reach everyone.


93 posted on 12/21/2005 9:15:38 AM PST by LS
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To: LS; ItsOurTimeNow
Yep, I agree with that. I think there is a place for Joel Osteen, for Joyce Meyer, for Kenneth Copeland, for Billy Graham, and for the Pope.

But no place for ItsOurTimeNow?

94 posted on 12/21/2005 9:27:26 AM PST by Terabitten (Illegal immigration causes Representation without Taxation.)
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To: theFIRMbss
I agree. First class should be clean indeed.

I just wonder how much of this story was "embellished" by fellow passengers and how much of this story is actually fact. Without having personally been there, It's hard for me to come to any sort of conclusion about Mrs. Osteen's behavior and/ or the behavior of the airline personnel.
95 posted on 12/21/2005 9:49:00 AM PST by WashingtonStateRepublican
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To: AppyPappy

He takes these sort of double steps in the direction he is speaking. I guess that's the same sort of thing -- meeting you halfway.


96 posted on 12/21/2005 9:49:44 AM PST by ichabod1 (Sic Omnia Gloria Fugit)
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To: ichabod1
Join a church that's perfect, and as soon as you get there it won't be perfect anymore.

There was this man stranded on a deserted island for 10 years. Finally he saw a passing freighter, lighted his signal fire and was rescued. He asked the landing party to help him recover his meager belongings from his living quarters. When they approached his living quarters, the first mate leading the ship's party noticed three huts in the clearing.

First mate: I notice you have three huts. What are they for?

Man: The hut on the left is where I live. The hut on the right is where I go to church.

First mate: What about the hut in the middle?

Man: Oh, that? That's where I used to go to church.

97 posted on 12/21/2005 10:02:08 AM PST by Unknown Pundit
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To: OKIEDOC
Is this Osteen one of those Jump and Shout, Holy Roller hypocrites who constantly bash other religions like a bunch of immature Dimorats bash conservatives.

Nah. He's a motivational speaker. He wants everyone to realize the CHAMPION in themselves.

98 posted on 12/21/2005 10:08:09 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: WashingtonStateRepublican

Look at it this way. Is the airline going to risk losing money and holding a flight for hours because of a mere misunderstanding? Probably not. I'm guessing Victoria avoided jail by being famous.


99 posted on 12/21/2005 10:10:20 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
My personal taste is for the old Hymns and Psalms. They just seem to have more "meat" to them than a lot of the contemporary praise & worship music.

My niece calls some of these new songs "7-11 songs". That is, seven lines of verse sang eleven times. That's not to say she doesn't enjoy those songs, just an observation of hers and others.

100 posted on 12/21/2005 10:13:10 AM PST by Unknown Pundit
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