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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.


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To: dirtboy

Let me help you. "Both" means more than one. Crack a dictionary, you'll see. In this case, both means doing BOTH: Border security and guest worker. Class dismissed.


1,601 posted on 05/17/2006 1:37:43 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: dirtboy
You're starting to look like that poor soldier in The Deer Hunter who was forced to place Russian Roulette. ;^)
1,602 posted on 05/17/2006 1:38:14 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Smogger

"This simply cannot be allowed to happen."

Correct.
So, get on the President's and the Senate's ass and tell them to put a REAL fence, sea-to-sea, in that immigration bill.
The Fence is the key to avoiding the parade of horribles.


1,603 posted on 05/17/2006 1:38:45 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: All

Ok. I got to leave. Going to a baseball game. Going to eat some hotdogs. Drink a couple beers. It will be good.

Everyone try to get along till I get back.


1,604 posted on 05/17/2006 1:38:49 PM PDT by CougarGA7 (There are no trophies for winning wars. Only consequences for losing them.)
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To: dirtboy

The simultaneous implementation of a guest-worker program will undermine the efforts to secure the border by encouraging even more illegals to flood across. It also makes it clear that the security measures are just window dressing. The real message is "welcome illegals".


1,605 posted on 05/17/2006 1:38:50 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Looking at the figures shows that there is apparently about a 2/3s chance of being caught.

That doesn't agree with what I've read. If you've got figures like that, please post them.

1,606 posted on 05/17/2006 1:39:01 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: onyx

Yes, Johnnie Nash..great tune! ;)


1,607 posted on 05/17/2006 1:39:02 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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1,608 posted on 05/17/2006 1:39:45 PM PDT by evets (Dude.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Bush spends like a drunken sailor". Never mind that Bush doesn't spend at all, and only Congress does, but hey what are facts among friends

Bush is just as guilty as the congress as he has to sign the legistlation to make it law. He can also veto it. Oh I forgot, it's against GWB's religion to Veto anything. But then we are all friends, heh?

1,609 posted on 05/17/2006 1:39:55 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: prairiebreeze

HOW SUBSTANTIAL a fence? Is it a joke fence or something that will really stop a lot of determined enemies?


1,610 posted on 05/17/2006 1:40:45 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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To: FastCoyote

Here's the hit list, the rino border lobby. Pick your favorite target.


Alexander (R-TN)
Brownback (R-KS)
Chafee (R-RI)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
DeWine (R-OH)
Domenici (R-NM)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Sununu (R-NH)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)


1,611 posted on 05/17/2006 1:40:51 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: CougarGA7; justshutupandtakeit
"Everyone try to get along till I get back."

A lot of folks will still be here unless "justshutupandtakeit" succeeds in MOAB'ing the place.

1,612 posted on 05/17/2006 1:40:52 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: AntiGuv

What is to stop a discharge petition this time?


1,613 posted on 05/17/2006 1:40:58 PM PDT by Torie
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To: onyx; dirtboy
"I think LM is having fun with you."

A blast ;) Takes himself a little too seriously, but he's a good guy.

1,614 posted on 05/17/2006 1:41:21 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: Lead Moderator; onyx
Let me help you. "Both" means more than one. Crack a dictionary, you'll see. In this case, both means doing BOTH: Border security and guest worker. Class dismissed.

But this is what onyx posted:

We're all saying BORDER SECURITY and ENFORCEMENT FIRST

You said you wanted both done at the same time, like Bush does. So you do not want border security FIRST.

1,615 posted on 05/17/2006 1:42:05 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Beagle8U
Perhaps when someone makes the effort to bring FR back to what it always was, and will be again, it is news?

FR was like the Wild West years ago. This is the most tame it's ever been in terms of heated arguments. Not saying it's better or worse now, but there was no "Golden Age" in terms of polite debate, at least not that I can remember.

1,616 posted on 05/17/2006 1:42:16 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Lead Moderator; Brad's Gramma

If Brad's Gramma would kindly post the link to Red, Red Wine (not WHINE) I could get the other song out of my head.


1,617 posted on 05/17/2006 1:42:22 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Pukin Dog
Wow, what a thread Lead Moderator, Admin Moderator, Sidebar Moderator, & Jim Robinson himself all here. What a turn out on this thread.

You done pretty good for yourself today.

1,618 posted on 05/17/2006 1:42:25 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty hereā€¦ move on.)
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To: dirtboy

In the time I've been here, I don't ever remember seeing the mods so interactive with posters. Have you?


1,619 posted on 05/17/2006 1:42:28 PM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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