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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: George W. Bush
"If we want Snowe and Collins and Graham to toe the line on conservative votes, we have to get Chafee this year so they know we mean business."

That's exactly what the Libertarians said a few years back in Washington state about Senator Gorton...we ended up with Senator Maria Cantwell-at-all and turning over the Senate. The funniest thing was, as soon as Gorton went down to defeat they were on here crowing about it.

1,581 posted on 05/17/2006 1:33:10 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Quix

"And I seriously question whether after 4 years or however many of Shrillery in power--whether we COULD have another fair election, or not."

No, we couldn't.
If the Democrats hold Congress and Hillary Clinton is President, it will be Sulla's Republic, no doubt about it.

Looking down the road, things get worse and worse.

So, the truth is that tax hawks will, in fact, destroy the Republic rather than let taxes be raised. Raise taxes, and they walk just like they did in 1992. It's just reality. Ergo, we can't raise taxes.

Truth is, pro-lifers will, in fact, destroy the Republic rather than support a pro-abortion President or Supreme Court nominee. Nominate someone they're not sure of, and they walk out. Ergo, we can't do that.

Truth is, Border Conservatives will, in fact, walk out and destroy the Republican majority...and thereby, eventually, the Republic, if the border isn't closed. Give amnesty and no fence, and they walk out. Ergo, we can't do that.
But that's what Bush proposed and the Senate is insisting on.

The shenanigans have to stop. The Senate and the President have to cave. If they don't, well, the Republican minority will adopt that stance next year. It'd be safer and better if we didn't have to go through that.


1,582 posted on 05/17/2006 1:33:24 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Aure entuluva!)
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To: dirtboy
We'll just have to see. I have a fair degree of confidence that the House GOP will hold the line here.

I'm not that confident myself because the President still has a lot of power he can leverage within his own caucus, even when he's betraying the GOP. It's a bit amazing to think that a parade of stupidly short-sighted Republicans are getting ready to import at least 20 million new Democrats and hand the Dems electoral dominance for a generation.

1,583 posted on 05/17/2006 1:33:55 PM PDT by AntiGuv (How is Mexico our friend?)
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To: George W. Bush
Who is running against him in the primaries? I have to say that I really loathe the guy, however I haven't paid as much attention as I should because I am busy trying to keep Cantwell at home.

: D.
1,584 posted on 05/17/2006 1:34:13 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: fatboynic

PING!!!


1,585 posted on 05/17/2006 1:34:15 PM PDT by baker_girl (Removed by Moderator)
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To: onyx; dirtboy

#1471 was in reply to #1441. I'll give dirtboy the benefit of the doubt. He may not have seen it.


1,586 posted on 05/17/2006 1:34:42 PM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: justshutupandtakeit

ROFL! Yeah, I'd argue with that on the internet. LMFAO! I guess you got me.


1,587 posted on 05/17/2006 1:34:43 PM PDT by Toby06 (I'm a conservative-I'll support conservative candidates. That does NOT necessarily mean republican)
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To: stands2reason
"I have a question. I can understand vanities by the mods or Jim himself in Breaking News. Why is this one? "

Perhaps when someone makes the effort to bring FR back to what it always was, and will be again, it is news?

(been to little of that lately)
1,588 posted on 05/17/2006 1:35:05 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: AntiGuv

"If GWB cannot get a majority of the Senate GOP to join him and the Democrats in endorsing his guest worker amnesty, then I'd say there's no chance this'll pass in the House unless the leadership abandons the unspoken 'majority of the majority' rule (that they don't bring measures for a vote unless a majority of Republicans are in support). If they do that, all hell will break loose.."

That is an interesting point. Especially since the one side contains Chafee, Specter, and the other hooligans. Kind of gives us our hit list, doesn't it.


1,589 posted on 05/17/2006 1:35:27 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: dirtboy; Lead Moderator

You two can duke it out. :)
I think LM is having fun with you.


1,590 posted on 05/17/2006 1:35:52 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: Leatherneck_MT; All

Yep. If you want to get someone to the polls, it's not going to be nagging, browbeating or calling someone "DU troll" that does it.

Those tactics don't work on conservatives, and it's frankly insulting if you think that they will.


1,591 posted on 05/17/2006 1:35:53 PM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ditto here, my rep is Sensenbrenner. I'd take a rino over Kohl or feingold in a heartbeat. At least there's hope for change. With a dem, you're going to get exactly what it is, liberal feel good, to hell with the constitution politician.


1,592 posted on 05/17/2006 1:36:02 PM PDT by Indy Pendance
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To: All
Senate Votes to Build 370 Miles of Fence Along Border With Mexico

In Breaking News at the moment. And it's a start.

1,593 posted on 05/17/2006 1:36:10 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (God bless our fine military and their families.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Happy Freeperversary, newbie!


1,594 posted on 05/17/2006 1:36:10 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: Cold Heat
Bush was very clear that a secured border was critical to the rest of it succeeding in taking the pressure off the border and correcting past mistakes.

And that has to come first. Not simultaneously. And it will take more than 6,000 part time NG troops in support roles to significantly improve security along a 2,000 mile border.

1,595 posted on 05/17/2006 1:36:53 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Vicomte13

I'm actually in total agreement with you on this post; you just put the whole issue into a neat little nutshell.


1,596 posted on 05/17/2006 1:37:03 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Vicomte13
...gave the clearly Catholic and pro-life Alito...

I know we all swim in our own little fishponds but this is a little insulting to Alito's extremely fine record as a jurist. I think he would have been a superb nominee regardless of affiliation.

If you want to be proud of Catholic accomplishments, instead look to the dedication of past Catholic generations who believed in and invested in higher education. That's where Alito and Roberts and the current crop of excellent jurists (who happen to be Catholic) came from.

Don't think the evangelicals didn't notice either. They're still trying to figure out how to catch up and grumbling over what fine little justice Harriet would have made.
1,597 posted on 05/17/2006 1:37:16 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Lead Moderator; dirtboy

LOL -- I tracked you, LM. "I can see clearly now." Isn't that a song lyric?


1,598 posted on 05/17/2006 1:37:32 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Looking at the figures shows that there is apparently about a 2/3s chance of being caught.

Hardly. I've seen anywhere from 1/4 to 1/3 at the most.

1,599 posted on 05/17/2006 1:37:38 PM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Vicomte13

I hope it's not as bleak as you and I seem to fear.

But I wouldn't place bets in that direction.

I would vote for Guliani easily over Shrillery--or any other GOP.

Yes, I abhor infanticide and hate any pol to stand for it. But we have to be realistic.

Fantasy voting is suicidal.

The destructive forces at least come close--in the realms of power--to out numbering the Constitutional forces. Not a time to be stupid about voting or staying home.


1,600 posted on 05/17/2006 1:37:40 PM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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