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"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog

Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.


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To: onyx
Were you sent here by the DNC and it's branches in '04?

I still have a hard time believing that people get paid to post at FreeRepublic. If such a cushy job exists, I want an application. Does this mean that there are also folks getting paid to be "sleepers" at DU? I searched on Monster.com, and I couldn't find an opening for "internet troll" anywhere.

421 posted on 05/17/2006 9:40:02 AM PDT by Junior_G
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To: trubluolyguy
At least you didn't make it a vanity and stick it in "Breaking News"

Maybe I should do that as the "opposition response" to PD's rant. Maybe someone will beat me to it. ;)

422 posted on 05/17/2006 9:40:29 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Vicomte13
Meanwhile, the chastened Republican Party, which will have lost more than a few border moderates, will repackage itself and add a wall at the Southern Border as a core platform point. The Republican nominee in 2008 will probably support that point, and if he does the BorderBots will come roaring back to the polls and the Republicans roar back to the majority.

There will be no "Meanwhile" if we lose the Majority in Congress. Present day democrats will find so many ways to reinterpret Laws it will be like living in Venezuela.

423 posted on 05/17/2006 9:40:33 AM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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To: Fudd Fan
Isn't it telling that the trolls add idiotic keywords but don't post here?

Ya, it tells us that they stay in hiding because they know if they dare question their fellow mod/or best kissup, pukin, that they will get suspended. It happens all the time.

424 posted on 05/17/2006 9:40:42 AM PDT by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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To: kitkat

Look, this illegal immiration issue is VITAL to the future of this country. It's not like other issues. It's as important as the WOT. A lot of us don't think the President is making the right decision on the immigration issue. We think our country is headed in a very, very bad direction if our President's plan goes through. Saying "grow up" is a childish response to a legitimate concern.


425 posted on 05/17/2006 9:40:54 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: ClancyJ

Then maybe you should find a third party site rather than trying to drive a wedge in this site.



Is this a conservative sight, or is it jus a GOP sight?


426 posted on 05/17/2006 9:41:10 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (If its such a great idea, lets see how well the capital and white house do with a virtual fence.)
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To: Fudd Fan

I'm just sick of the vehement defense of the President.

It's almost as his ardent supporters think he's next to Jesus. But only Jesus is perfect.

Also, I've seen a lot of good people on FR tarred with the 'troll/antifreeper' brush. It's tiresome.


427 posted on 05/17/2006 9:41:35 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Some Dare Call It Amnesty)
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To: colorado tanker
No need to get into this, since you now claim you didn't say what you said.

No need to get into this since you have been exposed for making up a bunch of BS.

428 posted on 05/17/2006 9:41:43 AM PDT by Protagoras ("Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious".... George Orwell)
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To: kitkat

Believe me, you ARE too generous. The democrats are, whether they all know it or not, COMMUNISTS. This country is fighting for its freedom from communism which is using the WOT to take over this country.
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TRUE! TRUE! TRUE!

But not just our beloved Republic--the world is their goal and they already have a global economic system. They are well along toward scaring the world's citizens into a tyrannical Communist global government with the WOT terrorists etc. And they are just getting warmed up good.

We'd best help all we know wake up and smell the Marxism, the looming GLOBAL tyranny.

They are not joking about reducing the world's population to 500 million. They are not joking about removing the borders in NORTHAM. They are not joking about a forced SLAG computer implant ID chip. They are not joking about taking things away and giving them to others. They are not joking about taking away private property.

As near as I can deduce, they are also serious about making virtually all of NORTH AM a national park for the ruling elite and sufficient serfs to serve them. This may sound like far out theory for those who have not examined the evidence sufficiently. But it's not theory for those of us who have examined the evidence. Actually, one only need listen to Gore, Scuba Teddy, Shrillery, Boxerface et all and one hears the same values only slightly coded, hidden.


429 posted on 05/17/2006 9:41:57 AM PDT by Quix ( PREPARE . . . PRAY . . . PLACE your trust, hope, faith and life in God's hands moment by moment)
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*almost as IF, I meant.


430 posted on 05/17/2006 9:42:01 AM PDT by Constitution Day (Some Dare Call It Amnesty)
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To: Pukin Dog
I have not bashed Bush on this or any other forum. I will say this however, the Republicans have a problem and threats of Dems winning won't change it.

The recent poll taken here on FR is a prime example. The "still vote Republican" got 40% of the vote winning the overall poll but "vote third party" and "stay home" got over 60% combined. That is a big hit. Republicans can not win elections by alienating 2/3 of their base.

431 posted on 05/17/2006 9:42:05 AM PDT by FOG724 (A vote for Arnold is a vote for a Democrat)
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To: Spiff

"We may be able to compromise and put the guest worker plan and some sort of fair path to citizenship into the the same legislation but it MUST be contingent upon the success of the border enforcement efforts, the success of getting tough on employers who break the law and employ illegal aliens, and the success and deporting a substantial number of illegal aliens already here."

Spiff, the fact that the democrats, 18 Republican Senators, and the President *REFUSE* to put enforcement first, shows this isn't going to happen.

"It could set a metric for success that would trigger the guest worker portion. That is something that conservatives could work to get the Senate to pass. That is a compromise that the House may accept."

I don't think this is going to happen. I think we should concentrate on the Senate Republicans/Democrats who are against Amnesty and have them filibuster or just concentrate on the house and get them to kill any bill. IOW, no bill is better than what the President and Ted Kennedy want.

I'm supporting the House Republicans in November if they stand up to the Senate and look out for the USA. As for the 18 Senate Republican Tratiors, I have their names and will contribute money to defeat them.


432 posted on 05/17/2006 9:42:09 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: All
I have never been rude to anyone on this site. If anything other than enforcement only immigration passes I'm off. Sorry but this is ridiculous. If the Repubs refuse to protect the territorial integrity of my beloved nation then I am not voting for them ever. The ball is in their court.
433 posted on 05/17/2006 9:42:24 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: NinoFan

Posters here who advocate GOP defeat are trolls or third party defeatists.


434 posted on 05/17/2006 9:42:30 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: onyx
They won't jump. They'll have to be shoved.
They're here to divide, conquer and demoralize

If they pull another Perot .. they will be toast

435 posted on 05/17/2006 9:42:39 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Fudd Fan

I don't even know what a bushbot is.


436 posted on 05/17/2006 9:42:40 AM PDT by LucyT ("Whether it's the best of times or the worst of times, it's the only time we've got"... Art Buchwald)
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To: Fudd Fan
There was no accusation, veiled or otherwise, in ohio's post. None.

Not true. He admitted there was. End of discussion.
437 posted on 05/17/2006 9:43:06 AM PDT by NinoFan
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To: Pukin Dog
Damn good rant.

Semper Fi.........

438 posted on 05/17/2006 9:43:31 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Spiff
Did you read my reply to that, Spiff?

The Ohio Republican party gave overt support to Jim Petro against Ken Blackwell, but the grassroots effort and public support gave Blackwell, a REAL conservative, the substantial victory.

It is incumbent on "we, the people" to get rid of the RINOS. If we will not do that, it is not the party to blame, but ourselves.

439 posted on 05/17/2006 9:43:39 AM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Every FReeper has the right to request that another FReeper leave them alone.

You sound like your 9. "Tell him to leave me alone mommy, he makes me look like I might not know what I'm talking about."

440 posted on 05/17/2006 9:43:42 AM PDT by Texaggie79 (Did I just say that?)
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