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There is much, much more in the article.

It is a good read on the subject of education.

1 posted on 02/02/2007 5:20:31 AM PST by Zakeet
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it's for the kids...*sniff sniff*


2 posted on 02/02/2007 5:23:30 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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Good article, of course, but perception is the key, and the article notes that teachers are perceived to be underpaid because of their annual salaries.

Most interesting, I thought, was the brief paragraph discussing gains in students scores when teachers' pay was tied to student performance. Perhaps this should be the model of the future.

But $47.00 an hour in Detroit! Wow!


3 posted on 02/02/2007 5:25:12 AM PST by Publius Valerius
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Teachers work about 9 months out of the year. That's why $34/hour makes "low pay". That $34/hour is equivalent to $25/hour(12 month) (math: p * 9/12 = s)


4 posted on 02/02/2007 5:27:07 AM PST by captain_dave
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Remember, that doesn't include ammunition, bullet-proof vests, riot gear, taser, mace and self-defense classes.


5 posted on 02/02/2007 5:28:23 AM PST by Doc Savage ("You couldn't tame me, but you taught me.................")
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They also get long vacations in the summer months, and long stretches off for the holidays. I'd be willing to bet they only work 8.5 months out of the year, and that doesn't even count whatever personal off time they might have. Sounds like a European type job to me. In contrast, I work around 11.5 months out of the year. My employer can't tolerate me being gone for more than a couple of days at a time.


9 posted on 02/02/2007 5:33:25 AM PST by KoRn
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From Article: public school teachers earned $34.06 per hour in 2005, 36% more than the hourly wage of the average white-collar worker and 11% more than the average professional specialty or technical worker.
12 posted on 02/02/2007 5:38:34 AM PST by Alia
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Like this:

Moreover, the earnings data reported here, which are taken directly from the National Compensation Survey conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, do not include retirement and health benefits, which tend to be quite generous for public school teachers relative to other workers

Here in WI many teachers pay close to zero for a golden cadillac insurance plan (conveniently provided without competitve bid by WEAC) with very low deductibles and copays PLUS they receive fully funded pensions. They are eligible for retirement at 55. And many of them whine like it's indentured servitude.

23 posted on 02/02/2007 5:55:06 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Pennies from Google!! Support "Freedom is not Free" on Goodsearch.com)
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WOA NELLY....... Let's consider the flawed logic here:

Teachers work (and are paid for) 9 months out of the year, not 12 (like most other jobs we are comparing it with.

So the teacher might teach 1,400 hrs in the year (40 hrs week times 36 weeks), while a worker in another job works 2,000 hrs in a year(40 hrs week times 52 weeks).

Let's say a teacher makes $47,000 a year, and you divide by the 1,400 hrs.... you come up with $33.57/hour.

But the other worker, working for $33.57/hour would be making over $67,000 in a year.

So saying that because the math shows a teacher makes $34.06 is deceivingly high. And I don't want to hear the argument that "well, a teacher can go get another job to fill the left over 3 months!" Sure, but will that extra job earn anywhere near $34/hr, NO! Teachers often have to spend a portion of the summer taking the courses they need to keep their certification and they have to foot the bill for those couses sometimes.

Then there is the other little matter of teaching jobs not having anywhere near the perks of the white-collar jobs the article wants to compare with. Teacher's health insurance is not as good, there are no 401Ks and stock options awarded, etc. And let me tell you... teachers do not get coffee break time, stand around the watercooler time, and lunch break time. They work from the moment they enter that door in the morning til time to leave... and often are expected to attend evening PTA meetings, sports events, club meetings, etc and these extra hours are not counted and not figured into that equation when they come up with the $34.06/hour.So many times they are working many more hours than they are getting paid for.... example, my son who teaches high school in Savannah area.... he is expected to cover the following duties over and above his school day: coach track in the spring and run the track meets, be at and do the scorekeeping for every football game, and every basketball game (and they had regular and JV teams for both boys and girls - 2 games each/wk, that's 8 games a week!) and they wanted him to take his turn driving the activity bus for spoting events as well. These NUMEROUS extra hours do not equate in extra pay at $34.06/hour.


31 posted on 02/02/2007 5:59:31 AM PST by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie)
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It's not politically correct to say that teachers are ever paid enough.


33 posted on 02/02/2007 5:59:57 AM PST by DungeonMaster (Acts 17:11 also known as sola scriptura.)
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In many schools, particularly inner-city schools, the high pay is justified. They call it combat pay.


36 posted on 02/02/2007 6:01:03 AM PST by Anarchist (Freepers, Freepers. Man your keyboards!)
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I feel slighted by this article . I made at least $79.00 as a teacher with medical, sick day accumulation, and a great retirement package to boot .


38 posted on 02/02/2007 6:03:50 AM PST by Renegade
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Here I go, letting fly the flames of war.

I am a public school teacher in a rural S. Georgia county. I am compensated very well for the service I provide in respect to the overall average income (Somewhere around 19-24K/year).

Am I overpaid? Perspective says yes, based on my cost of living and other extrinsic factors.

If I taught in Detroit/Atlanta/Chicago, maybe I would be underpaid, taking cost of living into account.

Since there are so many ways to skin a cat or argue about teacher pay, what I am saying can and will be distorted to fit whatever way someone wants to look at it. I accept this.

That said, I went into teaching because I *wanted* to be a teacher. Period. I could have gone to law school/med school/business etc, but I *chose* to become a teacher.

And if you really, really think about it, how much is anyone truly worth? Considerably more than what they are compensated for, indeed, but that is another post.


59 posted on 02/02/2007 6:26:43 AM PST by shag377 (De gustibus non disputandum est)
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Although there are many wonderful, hard-working teachers, the ubiquitous perception that teachers are underpaid clearly demonstrates how well the teachers' union propaganda resonates with the masses.


60 posted on 02/02/2007 6:26:49 AM PST by Mr J (All IMHO.)
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Personally, I think $100/hour isn't enough. But that's just me. I'd like the teaching profession to pay enough to that we get more than the people who fit the classic cliche, "those who can't do, teach".


68 posted on 02/02/2007 6:36:32 AM PST by Quick1 (There is no Theory of Evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.)
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Let's not forget tons of time off, big time benefits, a fire proof position (unless you wear a cross or rape a 14 year old and get caught), a sweet pension package, guaranteed pay increases that are inflation proofed, you get the same days off as your kids, only 6 out of 8 hours a day are even spent with kids, no overtime, etc. etc.

Teachers are probably among the top 5 all around jobs when it comes to compensation.
74 posted on 02/02/2007 6:44:13 AM PST by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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$34/hr wouldn't be subject to questions and complaints if most turned out a good product. Fact is, most do not teach the children adequately for any suitable purpose.

(Teaching the kids to be good global citizens doesn't qualify as suitable.)


75 posted on 02/02/2007 6:45:28 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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Just a general comment, I think people on here need to focus more of their energy on Teachers Unions and less on teachers themselves. I think a lot of what aggravates many of us about the education field...begins with the unions. Just my opinion.
82 posted on 02/02/2007 6:52:35 AM PST by CastleMan95
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There are obviously people with strong opinions on both sides. Some say teachers are paid too much; some say teachers are paid too little. How do we square this circle and find the real answer? Easy! Let the market in, break the union, and introduce vouchers. Then teachers will be paid exactly what they are worth. No more; no less. No more arguments.


85 posted on 02/02/2007 6:59:19 AM PST by MikeGranby
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If teachers are so well paid for easy work, how come the education majors are supposedly the dumbest, not the smartest college students? Why would anyone with a 120+ IQ choose to become an engineer, attorney, or doctor, if teachers are the best paid professionals around?


98 posted on 02/02/2007 7:17:18 AM PST by LWalk18
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Hmn.

They are counting ONLY classroom hours, my wife (AP Chemistry, 4 classes of Physics, Beta club sponsor, science Olympiad coordinator, district science committee - all unpaid hours, plus lunchroom "monitor" + hall monitor + football and basketball ticket taker - also unpaid) spends some extra 3-4 hours a day grading and writing assignments.
102 posted on 02/02/2007 7:21:03 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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