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Would you be in favor of Amnesty if the borders were truly secure?
Free Republic | June 29, 2007 | Eric Blair

Posted on 06/30/2007 4:02:33 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084

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To: garyhope

DAMN, I like the way you think!
Subcutaneous chips- yeah!
Except leave the dogs out of this. Maybe they could be trained to patrol and protect the new, secure, border. That way they would earn their keep and be better treated than they would be in Mexico. I love dogs.


261 posted on 06/30/2007 9:48:03 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: LNewman
Allow me to clarify.

The goofball interpretation of the 14th Amendment needs to be discarded. Abuse is RAMPANT and cannot be denied.

And I most certainly do NOT suggest a gubermint date/time stamp on sloppy judgment and/or as part of a condition of the undead amnesty.

262 posted on 06/30/2007 9:49:38 PM PDT by LNewman (EAGLES UP!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

I believe it.

Any politician pushing to keep these illegals, people who have no respect for our laws, reminds me of someone who allows the bathtub to overflow and take that as an indication that they need to wash the bathroom floor, never thinking to shut the water off.

An hour later as the carpet in the hall is soaking wet they’ll go to the bank for a loan to buy new carpet (with our tax monies), never thinking to shut the water off beforehand.

A few days later when the basement is flooded and there’s water running out all the doorways, they throw up there arms in frustration and demand help from FEMA, never thinking that had they shut the water off before the tub overflowed there never would have been a problem.


263 posted on 06/30/2007 9:49:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Check out this website for the National Veterans Coalition http://www.nvets.org/)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

No. Securing the border is critical, but not enough to stop the invasion via visa overstay, “temporary” guest workers who never leave, etc.

Any amnesty just breeds more contempt for American law, and another wave of invaders. They’ll just come via the other methods.


264 posted on 06/30/2007 10:01:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

How can we make them understand N-O????????


265 posted on 06/30/2007 10:07:55 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

NO!!! You do the crime, you do the time. No excuses.


266 posted on 06/30/2007 10:08:38 PM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit...)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
I’m late to this thread and probably can’t say anything that hasn’t been said, darn it. But if there was no incentive to be here, if there was adequate border enforcement, if there were no anchor babies and no entitlement programs, employer restrictions..there may not be a problem. Well, maybe with the criminal element..but when caught..they could be deported.

How we have even descended, as a nation, to have a debate about this baffles me.

267 posted on 06/30/2007 10:19:10 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Would you be in favor of Amnesty if the borders were truly secure?
In a word...NO! I've many reason for that answer.
268 posted on 06/30/2007 10:56:50 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: ClearBlueSky

I like dogs, cats and goats too. My point was just to get rid of everything connected with the illegals, etc.

If we can “convert” or retrain the animals to our side, fine.

I never thought America would get to this point where so many things don’t make any kind of sense that I am used to or was raised by. Logic and reality have been turned on their ears. I never thought there would be so many traitors in our ranks who aren’t even ashamed to admit it.


269 posted on 06/30/2007 11:02:37 PM PDT by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now courtesy of Islam.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084; All

Demand a border fence! Build it NOW!! Beef up the border patrol and close our borders!

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Courtesy of a pro-amnesty group, no less!!


270 posted on 06/30/2007 11:55:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

“Would you be in favor of Amnesty if the borders were truly secure?”

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

But I’m sure our elected officials will misconstrue the message “Border Security First” to mean “Border Security First, then Amnesty”.

It NEVER meant that to me. I am adamantly opposed to any future proposal of separating the ‘good’ illegals from the ‘bad’ illegals and giving the ‘good’ amnesty...something I feel certain will be proposed by Fred Thompson and others. And again, such a proposal must NOT be thrown at us as a ‘bargaining’ chip in exchange for our Border Security.

EFFECTIVE BORDER SERCURITY, NOW!


271 posted on 07/01/2007 3:04:48 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (MARCH FOR AMERICA, OHIO - THIS Saturday, June 30th at the Statehouse!!!!!!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“If the border really, truly were made secure, sure. Fire up the citizenships. We’re missing about 20 million Americans from liberal abortion policies. Let them stay.”

ABSOLUTELY NOT. The abortion issue has NOTHING to do with it. And it’s the same argument used by the crazy pro-illegal activist dirtbags. If there is a shortage of American ‘citizens’, bring new ones in the legal way.


272 posted on 07/01/2007 3:11:30 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (MARCH FOR AMERICA, OHIO - THIS Saturday, June 30th at the Statehouse!!!!!!)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

“First offense crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor. Staying here is a felony.”

IIRC crossing illegally is a misdemeanor, but the minute they pick up their fraudulent papers and use fake or stolen SSN in order to ‘do the jobs American’s won’t’, then they become Felons. Also, a deport and 2nd return is a felony.


273 posted on 07/01/2007 3:17:26 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (MARCH FOR AMERICA, OHIO - THIS Saturday, June 30th at the Statehouse!!!!!!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
No. We have enough citizens and don't need any more, not in such massive amounts, from the same country, and with so little to recommend them.

Temporary guest workers under a well designed program is a different thing. But citizens? NEVER.
274 posted on 07/01/2007 3:27:32 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Eric Blair 2084

LOL! By “any level” I meant city, county, state, or Federal ... didn’t mean to include private security :-).

Seriously, if an illegal alien is smoking in violation of the law, there you go - goodbye! I think it’s a stupid law, just like I think it’s stupid that I can’t take a gun into the public library, but it’s the law anyway.


275 posted on 07/01/2007 4:29:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Let all creation sing of salvation. Let us together give praise forever!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Increase LEGAL immigration, give those who are already here temporary work visas and those who do not apply for the work visas, who get caught, get deported and will never be allowed to become legal EVER.

I don't have a problem with Mexicans, I have a problem with law breakers. When they break one law and get away with it, they continue to break laws. Drive without insurance, drunk driving, littering to the MAX (nothing like dirty diapers thrown along the road to start your day), signs everywhere in spanish, child molesters, thieves, gangs. Hey, why bother to follow the law, they get so much more when they don't.

Drop your kids off at school early in your brand new pickup truck so they can be there for the free breakfast, lunch and now dinner. It's easy to have a lot of spare money to send home and buy new stuff, you don't have to feed your kids, don't have to spend money to buy health insurance (just go to the hospital emergency room). They have been taught that all they have to do is demand and they get.

Get rid of this group and let in those who are willing to obey the law and our customs.

276 posted on 07/01/2007 4:41:28 AM PDT by McGavin999 ("Hard is not Hopeless" General Petraeus)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

NO!


277 posted on 07/01/2007 4:42:21 AM PDT by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
No to any kind of amnesty. They broke the law coming here and need to go back where they came from.

Carolyn

278 posted on 07/01/2007 4:48:11 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Secure the borders. Once that is done, give illegals already here one year to self-deport, and if they do that, they can re-apply to re-enter after passing a background check (a real one, not a z-visa one) and paying fines and back taxes (but will have to wait double the usual time for citizenship as normal legal immigrants, and will be ineligible for government bennies during that time as well). That will distill most former illegals into those who worked hard, saved money and don't have a criminal record.

Anyone still here after one year, if caught, will be forever banished from legal entry into this country, with hard time in jail along the border, improving border defenses.

279 posted on 07/01/2007 4:49:18 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

NO

I want them gone and the blight they produce in our cities gone too. Check out the murder rate in several large cities in Texas............then check the names. A friends daughter had two of her friends abducted, one was murdered....haven’t caught the perps yet but the description is known.


280 posted on 07/01/2007 4:54:27 AM PDT by WestCoastGal ( The JUNIOR NATION is VERY proud of our driver. You drive we'll follow! ~~FREE THE # 8~~)
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