Posted on 09/06/2007 7:51:16 PM PDT by Libloather
I remember when Howard Dean was campaigning last election and telling everyone he was a man of faith. When asked what his favorite book of the New Testament was he said the book of Job. That’s a classic example of liberal devotion.
Thank you. I did not realize the word apostate could be used other than with regard to religion. In fact I had to google it and found the Watch Tower site about having no dealings with Apostates.
>>There is no such thing as a “progressive” Christian.<<
I took that quote to mean Christians who politically were progressive (i.e liberal) rather than non-biblical Christians... I’ll go back and look again.
“She could win some Evangelical Christian Vote”..Oh you mean those same Christians she once demnized as ‘part of the Vast-Right-Wing Conspiricy’,..Those same Christians..
The ones that her and her allies try to disrupt their dearly heald belifs in both government and pop-culture..
The same Christians the (media) dispises..
(Never Listend to the Conventional Wisdom: It’s rarely correct!!..)
Those same Christians AREN’T Stupid, even if they are foolish sometimes, they have about as much chance voting for Hillary Clinton, as liberal democratic athiests have voting for a Republican Presidential Nominee!
To slightly alter an old joke:
Hillary challenges Howard Dean, “$50 says you can’t recite the Lord’s Prayer.”
Dean smiles and responds, “Piece of cake. Now I lay me down to sleep ...”
So Hillary hands him the $50.
Once you get to a certain point in your progressivism, you might as well drop the pretense of being a Christian and just go join the nearest Unitarian fellowship.
Christian doctrine and progressivism are mutually exclusive. Churches that are under the sway of these people are being used to mainstream a socialist agenda and to subvert the Church.
>>Once you get to a certain point in your progressivism, you might as well drop the pretense of being a Christian and just go join the nearest Unitarian fellowship.
Christian doctrine and progressivism are mutually exclusive. Churches that are under the sway of these people are being used to mainstream a socialist agenda and to subvert the Church.<<
Saying everything should be shared is foolish economics, naive about human nature and weakens the country making dictatorship more likely.
But I don’t see it as anything in serious conflict with what Jesus taught. There a monasteries where the monks share everything and own no personal property.
That's part of the deception. The difference is that Christians live this way by choice, but under the Marxist system, it's forced.
>>That’s part of the deception. The difference is that Christians live this way by choice, but under the Marxist system, it’s forced.<<
I don’t want to go too far down this road because, as my Grand Daddy used to say “the Devil has enough advocates.”
But..
for our discussion.
Can’t you say that any system of taxation and government spending, even if voted on by a large majority is forced on some who do not agree. And while we may call liberals “socialists” they are still talking about a sytsem of free elections and thus more choice than in any true Marxist system.
“Progressive Baptist women”
That’s just wrong from the start.
This looks like a good a place as any to post this link. I think it's a perspective that should be examined when judging the religion -- or the lack of it -- of any candidate:
“An apostate is believing or preaching a perverted Christian doctrine which is not biblical. The gnostics were an example. Teaching or believing that homosexual sex is OK for a Christian, or that there are other ways to salvation than believing in Christ are two current examples of apostacy being taught in “progressive” churches.”
Not so. Technically an apostate is someone who professes a faith and then later reneges on his or her decision. The best known apostate was Julian the apostate, a Roman emperor who attempted to restore the traditional Greek Roman pantheon in the Roman Empire back in the middle fourth century. Curiously enough, he wasn’t technically an apostate - theres no evidence he ever was a Christian in the first place!
The technical term for someone who professes a faith but does not support its basic core doctrines (such as a Christian saying homosexuality is “ok”, or there are other ways to salvation than through Christ) is “heretic”.
Thank you... its proving to be an educational night.
Actually, thinking about it, I’m not sure acceptance of a Homosexual lifestyle as “ok” is actually heresy. I personally would argue it’s wrong, (as I think the majority of Christians would) but I dont think it actually contravenes any of the creeds.
There is no doubt about the idea of accepting there are other ways to God than through Christ Jesus and Him alone. That quite definitely is heresy.
progressive Christians? = too timid to just declare themselves secular humanists.
There is no such thing as a “progressive Christian”.
• African Methodist Episcopal Church
• The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
• Alliance of Baptists
• American Baptist Churches in the USA
• Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
• Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
• Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
• Church of the Brethren
• The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
• The Episcopal Church
• Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
• Friends United Meeting
• Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
• Hungarian Reformed Church in America
• International Council of Community Churches
• Korean Presbyterian Church in America
• Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
• Mar Thoma Church
• Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
• National Baptist Convention of America
• National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
• National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
• Orthodox Church in America
• Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
• Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
• Polish National Catholic Church of America
• Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
• Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
• Reformed Church in America
• Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
• The Swedenborgian Church
• Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
• Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
• United Church of Christ
• The United Methodist Church •
It’s Orwellian newspeak. By stealing that term, they set up in the mind of the listener/reader that their ideas are for progress, all others are for regress. It not only eliminates the argument of what is the “best” change to make, it eliminates the argument of whether any change is necessary. If the clock isn’t broken, don’t fix it. But Leftists constantly take apart a good clock until it doesn’t work, then blame the designer (the Founding Fathers), the engineers (business), the manufacturer (working/middle class), and the consumer (the free-market system) for the broken clock.
They then try to convince them that they can build a better clock and call that “progressive.”
You are correct. It does not. Homosexual acts are sinful (Old and New Testaments) but this world is drenched in sin of all types. The creeds specify what Christians believe but do not address specific sins. That is not what they are for. If the creeds addressed specific sins they would be looooong!
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