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VIDEO: Private Sea Harrier in emergency vertical landing
www.flightglobal.com ^ | 15/11/07 | Graham Warwick

Posted on 11/15/2007 11:33:37 AM PST by Freeport

Edited on 11/17/2007 1:47:14 PM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]

The only privately owned Sea Harrier vertical/short take-off and landing fighter suffered a gear collapse when making an emergency landing at the US Navy's Patuxent River test centre after experiencing a hydraulic problem.

This video footage posted by Nalls Aviation, the US owner of the ex-Royal Navy BAE Systems Sea Harrier F/A-2, shows the 11 November emergency vertical landing on the hover grid at Pax River in Maryland.


(Excerpt) Read more at flightglobal.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: hydrolicfailure; navair; paxriver; seaharrier
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Ouch. That hurt...
1 posted on 11/15/2007 11:33:37 AM PST by Freeport
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To: alfa6; Professional Engineer

ping


2 posted on 11/15/2007 11:38:29 AM PST by Samwise (Anyone who really wants to be President isn't fit for the job.)
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To: Freeport
Help. I have fallen and can’t get up.
3 posted on 11/15/2007 11:40:05 AM PST by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: Freeport
but it's not a reliable indication, I have since been told."

ah,..ah,...err, any other indicators have a habit of not giving true indications?..Yeah I guess when you can climb out of the cockpit and roll off the wing...that might be an indication it's parked kinda leanin

4 posted on 11/15/2007 11:40:31 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Freeport

That’s gonna ‘ding’ his wallet a bit. BTW, anybody know the current laws/regulations concerning the private ownership of ex-military aircraft? You don’t often hear about military jets in private hands. Darned few of them.


5 posted on 11/15/2007 11:42:16 AM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Doogle

Oops.


6 posted on 11/15/2007 11:42:38 AM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Doogle

He should try the “disabled parking” spot the next time.


7 posted on 11/15/2007 11:44:29 AM PST by gathersnomoss (General George Patton had it right.)
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To: Freeport

This guy owns his own Harrier?

Dang... that really ups the ante for the “guys with cool toys” in the neighborhood.


8 posted on 11/15/2007 11:44:41 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Freeport
As I've heard it:

When it takes full power to taxi - you just might have forgotten to put your gear down before landing.

9 posted on 11/15/2007 11:46:25 AM PST by Bob
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To: Ramius

Don’t worry, you can still top him with your own private missle base.

http://www.missilebases.com/


10 posted on 11/15/2007 11:47:50 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Tallguy

There’s an operational F-18 in private hands, and at least one MiG-17.


11 posted on 11/15/2007 11:48:32 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Freeport

20ft...18ft....*beep*...*beep*...16ft...*beep*...*beep*....

14ft....*beep*...beep*....CRASSSSSSSSHHHHHH!!...*RADIO TRANSMISSION*...SSZZHHHHH..oh yeah Art?, we forgot to tell ya, that altitude indicator isn’t reliable


12 posted on 11/15/2007 11:49:16 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: ArrogantBustard

And there used to be at least one two-seat MiG-21 trainer up in New England somewhere.

}:-)4


13 posted on 11/15/2007 11:50:04 AM PST by Moose4 (When all else fails, read the instructions.)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

MUST MAKE NIGHT FLIGHT FUN...


14 posted on 11/15/2007 11:50:50 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Ramius

I have a riding lawnmower!


15 posted on 11/15/2007 11:51:11 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Moose4
I think there’s at least one F-104 flying out there too.

The other one that I know of had an engine flame-out and since no one had ever lived through an F-104 dead stick landing, the pilot thought the better part of valor and punched out...

16 posted on 11/15/2007 11:53:51 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Ramius

:-)

17 posted on 11/15/2007 11:59:10 AM PST by M203M4 (Rudy Giuliani 2008 - finally get all of the government you are paying for!)
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Looks worse than it actually is.

Nalls Aviation.Com Home of the Sea Harrier FA/2

19 posted on 11/15/2007 12:03:03 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: M203M4

I get the feeling that the garage doors behind that bird take a beating on spool-up, no?


20 posted on 11/15/2007 12:03:21 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (This post sold by weight, not volume. Content may have settled during shipment.)
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To: 1rudeboy

When close just isn’t good enough?


21 posted on 11/15/2007 12:04:44 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: ArrogantBustard
There’s an operational F-18 in private hands...

I wouldn't have imagined the government would have allowed that!?!?! Is the owner a retired Admiral, or something?

22 posted on 11/15/2007 12:07:30 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Ramius

“This guy owns his own Harrier?”

I got a customer in upstate NY who flies his own Mig out of his own private airfield.


23 posted on 11/15/2007 12:09:53 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Doogle

At least he didn’t have to punch out.


24 posted on 11/15/2007 12:14:16 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

don’t recall the details ... I seem to recall that due to “Area 51” references, the military wanted nothing to do with the movie “Independence Day” ... but they were able to find one F18 in private hands. And that, supposedly, was why Will Smith played a Marine pilot rather than an Air Force pilot.


25 posted on 11/15/2007 12:19:10 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: taxed2death

I’d hate to see his insurance premiums on that bird.


26 posted on 11/15/2007 12:21:09 PM PST by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
At least he didn’t have to punch out.

..yeah but the indicator told him to right after he stopped engines.....*snicker*

27 posted on 11/15/2007 12:30:52 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL

Private jets are not allowed to have ejection seats. Apparently, the rockets and such in them makes them illegal to possess, so you ride it in. That much I know.

As far as owning one goes, you can, but you have to find one that you can buy. It is the policy of the US that military aircraft are never sold to private individuals, unless it is for static display, and then it is “De-Miled”, where they cut through the main spar on both wings, and remove other goodies needed for flight.

Also, every nation that buys US military aircraft sign a pledge not to sell them, or any part of them to any individuals.


28 posted on 11/15/2007 12:43:18 PM PST by Mr. Quarterpanel (I am not an actor, but I play one on TV)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I saw a MiG-17 at Rockford Regional Airport (Illinois) that looked like it was undergoing restoration. It was in Polish AF livery.

I remember 25 years ago reading about a T-38 Tallon that ended up in private hands due to a paperwork snafu with the salvage. IIRC it was a USAF trainer that made a belly landing short of a USN air station. The Navy couldn’t get the AF to take away the craft on the Navy’s timetable, so a buyer jumped in and hauled it off & restored it.

I’ve also seen F86 & and F104 in private hands. But as far as ex-US military craft — that’s about it.

Are there legal obstacles? FAA regulations that get in the way? Or is it just a matter of cost?


29 posted on 11/15/2007 12:45:08 PM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Tallguy
I believe that FAA requires them to be treated as "experimental" aircraft.

BATF has something or other to say about any weapons ...

I'm no expert on this.

30 posted on 11/15/2007 12:48:51 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel
As far as owning one goes, you can, but you have to find one that you can buy. It is the policy of the US that military aircraft are never sold to private individuals, unless it is for static display, and then it is “De-Miled”, where they cut through the main spar on both wings, and remove other goodies needed for flight.

You answered most of my questions before I hit the 'Go' button. Thanks.

31 posted on 11/15/2007 12:49:22 PM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: ontap
I have a riding lawnmower!


32 posted on 11/15/2007 12:52:31 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Herding cats for a living.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
BATF has something or other to say about any weapons ...

Yeah, Quarterpanel said something about ejection seats being prohibited. I can see the BATF having an interest in the solid rocket motors.

33 posted on 11/15/2007 12:52:45 PM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Whose that on my lawnmower!


34 posted on 11/15/2007 12:57:24 PM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Tallguy

I’ve seen a private - modern fighter jet in the sky a couple of times. A neighbor said that Paul Allen (Seattle - Microsoft) has a fighter jet of some type (F-15, 16, ???) that he actually flies. I couldn’t find it on the net though, so who knows?

However - he DOES own at least one jet fighter - the German Me-262! Here’s an article I found from 2004:

One of the newest aviation attractions in Snohomish County, Washington is billionaire Paul Allen’s Flying Heritage Collection of 30 rare combat aircraft — including the Jenny, P-51, British Spitfire, B-17 and German and Russian fighters — on display at the Arlington Airport.

Housed in a modest, green, metal hangar, the displays feature the first 10 aircraft to be completed. Another 20 planes are in various stages of restoration or tagged for future rebuilding.

Each of the planes is an original actually flown in combat, except for the bi-winged Curtis Jenny, a rare aircraft used to train combat pilots in World War I. Allen’s staff has compiled detailed histories of each plane.

Allen has announced limited public visits, at $20 for each visitor, in groups limited to 15 people each, two days each week, a schedule that is expected to be expanded depending on public interest. Reservations for the tours must be made in advance.

The uniqueness of the collection lies not simply in its dollar value as a private investment or in the rarity of the planes, but also in Allen’s commitment to restoring each plane to flying condition. Eventually, all 30 aircraft on display will be flown four times each year to keep their engines and other moving parts in prime shape.

Allen bought at least one plane, the German Me-262, the world’s first jet fighter plane, from a museum, the Planes of Fame collection. The others were found in various parts of the world, some buried in the dirt of long-forgotten battlefields, others resting and rusting at old airfields.

Among the famous planes in Allen’s collection are:

North America P-51D “Mustang” — Built in 1945, and flown over the Arlington airfield as part of the celebration of the Flying Heritage Collection’s unveiling in April.

British Supermarine Mk.Vc “Spitfire” — In the Battle of Britain, the “Spitfire“ provided air defenses during Germany’s bombing of London, leading to Hitler’s first air combat defeat of the war.

Curtiss P-40C “Warhawk” — The P-40 was immortalized by its outstanding service in China with pilots of the American Volunteer Group, known to the world as The Flying Tigers.

Grumman F6F-5 “Hellcat” — The backbone of the American aircraft carrier groups during World War II, the “Hellcat” was the best general purpose fighter plane in the Pacific Theater.

Nakajima Ki-43-1c “Hayabusa” — Early in World War II, this aircraft was the Japanese Army Air Force’s primary fighter. It’s the only known complete, privately owned, original “Hayabusa” in the world in flying condition.

Mitsubishi A6M5 “Zero-Sen” — The “Zero-Sen” was Japan’s light carrier-fighter that ruled the skies over Asia and the South Pacific from 1940 to early 1942.


35 posted on 11/15/2007 1:04:36 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: geopyg

Isn’t Paul Allen attempting to collect ‘famous examples’ of each aircraft type? ie. a fighter with documented air-to-air kills. Maybe I’m confusing his collection with another (but who else would be in Paul Allen’s tax bracket, right?)


36 posted on 11/15/2007 1:34:27 PM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Pinging...


37 posted on 11/15/2007 1:36:39 PM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Tallguy

From the article:

“Each of the planes is an original actually flown in combat..... Allen’s staff has compiled detailed histories of each plane.”

That’s as much as I know so you’re probably right. I might have to head up there with my son some day to see it.


38 posted on 11/15/2007 1:50:37 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Is that what they call a “Yardhog”?


39 posted on 11/15/2007 1:50:37 PM PST by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: Doogle
but it's not a reliable indication, I have since been told."

ah,..ah,...err, any other indicators have a habit of not giving true indications?..


In a failure situation when you are using secondary effect to try to deduce what might be not working right? Yeah. By definition once things are broke some things are not trust worthy.
40 posted on 11/15/2007 1:53:09 PM PST by TalonDJ (Avionics Systems Engineer)
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To: TalonDJ

since been told...after the fact


41 posted on 11/15/2007 2:04:30 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel
Private jets are not allowed to have ejection seats.

If you're correct it appears that no one told the owner of this jet. In the article, he's quoted as saying, "It was the most violent 4ft fall I have ever had," he says. "By the grace of God the ejection seat didn't fire."

42 posted on 11/15/2007 2:22:55 PM PST by 68skylark
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To: Freeport

There are Harriers for sale, and I was not informed?


43 posted on 11/15/2007 3:29:00 PM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: geopyg

What’s the carbon footprint of a Harrier Take-Off/Landing?


44 posted on 11/15/2007 3:29:47 PM PST by gridlock (Recycling is the new Religion.)
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To: Doogle

Just noticed your tag line.

I was TDY to Ubon (with Blind Bat) from Okinawa twice in 69 and 70 and returned for a full year tour with the 8th during 71-72.

B/R


45 posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:29 PM PST by USAF Ret. 91
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To: Freeport

Still, it beats sliding down the runway.


46 posted on 11/15/2007 3:56:24 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Love it! Gotta have one!


47 posted on 11/15/2007 4:05:45 PM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: USAF Ret. 91

Cool...incoming!


48 posted on 11/15/2007 4:49:04 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Freeport

Try that with a conventional aircraft. More than ouch.


49 posted on 11/15/2007 4:57:17 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Mr. Quarterpanel

Yeah, you’re right. I wasn’t thinking. My husband flew Harriers, so my mind went there. Ooops again.


50 posted on 11/15/2007 4:58:37 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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