Did Iranian Airbus Shootdown Foreshadow TWA 800?

Jack Cashill ^ | 11/14/07 | Jack Cashill

[Sioux-san]

On the Sunday morning of July 3, 1988, at the tail end of the Iran-Iraq War, an Aegis cruiser, the USS Vincennes, fired two Standard Missiles at a commercial Iranian Airbus, IR655.

The first missile struck the tail and right wing and broke the aircraft in half. All 290 people aboard were killed. Misunderstanding America, the Iranians claimed that our Navy had intentionally destroyed the plane.

The Navy did no such thing.

[Sioux-san]

More on the background for the downing of TWA 800.

[bobby.223]

about how men are involved in the launch of a missle from one of our navy ships that would be capable of taking down flight 800? any navy FReepers out tonight?

[neodad]

Having served on an Aegis cruiser (The Vincennes, although a few years after the shootdown), I find it highly unlikely that TWA 800 was the result of an accidental shot from the Normandy. It just doesn’t work that way. Most of the time, the magazines were empty until you prepared to deploy, and you certainly didn’t operate live fire exercises in the vecinity of Long Island. The missile ranges are much farther south, off Norfolk.

[Eye of Unk]

And the Iranian diesel sub that fired the missile got away.

[PetroniusMaximus]

I and a few others in this board saw John Kerry slip up in a interview immediately after 911 and call TWA 800 a “terrorist act”.

The interviewer went on like nothing had occurred.

[DoughtyOne]

What do you make of the missile sitings in the Long Island area about six days prior to the TWA 800 incident?

I don’t question your analysis, but something sure seems to have been taking place around Long Island in that time frame.

The Navy also admits there was a training exercise in the TWA 800 vacinity on the night of the TWA 800 incident.

[DoughtyOne]

Dang...

sightings = sitings

[DoughtyOne]

I remember it well.

[DoughtyOne]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1108783/posts

[matthew fuller]

There was at least one book written about this incident, speculating that it could have been a navy training (inert) missle, that punctured the cabin, leaving red “missle fuel residue” that the FBI confiscated (except his remnant) and was witnessed by about 286 people including on duty pilots. The FBI further harrassed his gov’t employee wife, etc... I believe that radar shows the missle approaching the plane. I am not saying that I believe that our navy did it, but I do believe that a missle from somewhere took flight 800 down.

[neverdem]

thanks, bfl

[PetroniusMaximus]

That was it! Larry King Live.

[DoughtyOne]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57375

[Sioux-san]

More from Cashill - Pt. 10 on TWA-800:

# Naval presence. Despite at least six credible sightings of a Navy warship off Long Island after 3 p.m. on July 17, the Navy insisted it had none within two hundred miles of the crash site. Under duress in November 1997 the FBI admitted that the Normandy and now three submarines—Trepang, Albuquerque, and Wyoming—were in the “immediate vicinity” of the crash site.

# Mystery ships. For five months the FBI denied the existence of a “surface vessel” that it would later identify as being three miles from the crash site, having a speed between twenty-five and thirty-five knots, and fleeing the scene. The FBI finally admitted its presence but never identified it.

[DoughtyOne]

That link I just supplied in 13, is real key for me. All those witnesses that were discredited, over 200 of them, now have a verification of sorts.

[piasa]

As it happens one of the biggest pushers of the “Navy missile theory” was an antiwar conspiracy theorist whose website featured crap written by Ismail Royer, one of the Paintball cell / VA Jihad terrorists- a group headed by a cleric with ties to Iraq. I guess if my buddies were Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists I’d want to distract people with accusations against the Navy, too.

[DoughtyOne]

John Kerry's second reference to TWA 800 as an act of terrorism.

Sourced at the following link, halfway down the page.
http://www.cashill.com/twa800/time2askKerry.htm

After Kerry' remarks to Larry King on September 11, at least one person called his office for a clarification. After some back-and-forth, she was told that she must have misunderstood.

On Sept. 24,2001, there was no mistaking the meaning of Sen. Kerry's remarks. I personally watched him say the following to Chris Matthews on "Hardball."

You know, we've had terrorism for a long time now. We've had the Achille Lauro, the Munich Olympics, the pipe bomb at the Olympics in Atlanta, the TWA 800, the bombing of embassies, and it's not going to disappear overnight.

[DoughtyOne]

I had realized that the FBI had taken over the NTSB investigation. I had not heard of the exact government mechanism they used to do it.

This article makes it clear what took place.

http://www.cashill.com/twa800/top_fbi_lawyer.htm

[DoughtyOne]

TWA Flight 800 Shrapnel Court Hearing

This lawsuit has now established that the FBI cannot, or does not want to find any of these critical forensic results that might easily validate their conclusion once and for all. FBI documents released over the course of this litigation prove that scores of unidentified “metal fragments” and “metal pellets” were removed during the autopsies of the 230 victims. But the forensic evidence derived from analysis of those objects or any of the hundreds of others collected during the autopsies cannot now be located in its investigation archives.

I had not heard of this before.  I did find reference to it on several web sites.  This one doesn't seem all that reliable a source, but it does breach the subject.  Has anyone else heard of this?

Approximately half way down the page
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/twashrapnel.php

Further...

So six years of litigation has established that there was abundant evidence obtained during the autopsies that potentially defined the exact nature of the reported explosions, and that the FBI apparently now has no idea where to find that particular forensic evidence generated by their $40 million investigation.

More reliable...

About 2/3rds of the way down the page
http://www.cashill.com/twa800/10th_anny_6of10.htm

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