Skip to comments.If you think McCain won’t be better than either one, you’re wrong
Posted on 02/08/2008 5:01:34 AM PST by jmaroneps37
..I do not like John McCain.
I like socialist women and the most liberal senator in America less, far less. Our partys primaries have been hijacked by casual voters, liberals, moderates and even Democrats.
Our Evangelical friends have to shoulder much of the blame for giving us McCain. They have unfairly called Mormonism a cult and now all of us will suffer the consequences Im damned mad about this, but I cant do anything about it. [ McCain] will be elected. America will not select either Democrat over him. Many Hillary hating Democrats will vote for McCain.
..the conservative radio talkers did all they could. They are now the de facto leaders of the conservative movement. accept facts. Some of them insist McCain cant win. I very much disagree.
Each conservative has to make a personal decision. We can swing wild in blind anger or carefully think things through. If you are old enough to vote, you are old enough to have been disappointed or you really havent lived much of a life. We dont always get our way. If we jump wrong now, out of anger and frustration, we will insure
putting America, no our own families in danger. The danger of picking wrong at this point is history can not be over stated.
grievances against John McCain are [not] unimportant. They are very important. [but]we seem to be losing the fact that vicious Islamist terrorists want to kill us and will kill us and our children if we have the wrong Commander in Chief. ..a willingness to put aside the importance ..war against terror and make believe a Hillary Clinton or a Barack Obama would keep us safe from further attack is where I step off of the anti- McCain bandwagon. These three people are simply not interchangeable.
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I will vote. I will write in a candidate. And vote for the Republicans running in the House and Senate races. Congress is our only hope at this point. Regarding Huck...gag me. I wanted Fred. Romney was my second choice. Now I have no choice.
“Our only chance will be that the alternative to the moderate and independent is a closet Muslim whose middle name is Hussein and an wicked spiteful woman and he equally wicked and spiteful husband.”
McCain has some time to recover with some conservatives. Some will never vote for him. Will he continue with his arrogance or will he make some real committments to the conservative cause. I’m going to wait and see. All I can go on is what I’ve seen so far. He has alot of work to do.
Actually I think that's what got us in this mess in the first place. We elected people just because of the R in front of their names and forgot about the INO.
I won’t vote for him either. NO way
Knock yourself out. You think he's a staunch supporter of all things military? Think again. It's mixed, at best. You think his support to the President in support of the surge came without a price? At least I know who I'm dealing with when it comes to Hillary and Obama.
Besides, McCain has already done significant damage to this nation and continues to do so. The "supporting our troops" clarion call with McCain's name attached to it rings hollow for me.
Actually, the candidate was selected for everyone whether they liked it or not. McCain was toast after the CIR debacle. Then out of the clear blue sky, he was frontrunner.
I can remember no loud cries from the GOP sheeple to move McLame to the top of the pile. He was the last person we would have wanted. So who was behind it? The same people that made sure that any conservative candidate that didn't want open borders and amnesty would never see the light of day.
This was no fluke, you know. It was a planned out strategy, because we are going to get open borders, cheap labor, and national healthcare, whether we like it or not. Business is tired of having healthcare on their backs and they want the taxpayers to foot the bill for their cheap labor.
McLame knows he isn't going to win, he is just working for those who are furthering the agenda.
That is true. But at least the R's in Congress are a little more beholden to their constinuency. Look at what happened last year during the immigration debacle. The base spoke up loud and clear and managed to shut that down at least temporarily.
It is a cult. What's the point? Just because someone is a member of a cult doesn't disqualify them from public office.
You are quite wise, indylindy. This is the story in a nutshell. McCain being a nut.
You said it well. Establishment politics. Those inside DC could give a rats a@@ about those outside the beltway. Even if they are responsible for creating slave labor in the process.
If we are going to have open borders, higher taxes, global warming, anti business, bigger government, high gas prices, crumbling economy and the sort. I would rather that happen under a dem.
If a dem is in the whitehouse maybe repubs will lean more right and fight some of this stuff.
I agree with your analysis that McCain will never win. The realality is none of the Republican candidates possessed the qualities to win. Besides being a conservative, one has to have a great personality and a strong organization behind him/her.
He probably has a better chance than most of the other guys on our side but that’s not saying alot.
The fact is that the Dems want to win more than we do. They almost beat us last time with that dud, John Kerry. They think the election was stolen from them in 2000 and they hate George Bush and the Republicans.
Lifetime ACU ratings:
It's the 17.7% that lost him any chance of support from conservatives.
I KNOW Hillary and Bill don't believe in those things and hate Conservatives. I know Obama doesn't believe in those things either.
He doesn't have to like me, just do what he said in the CPAC speech or at least, at this point, keep that high 70's ACU rating as opposed to Hillary and Obamas single digit ratings.
I may not vote for McCain, but I will vote against Hillary and McCain will be the beneficiary and so will America and our soldiers.
Looking from way outside (Australia) I don’t think the world could handle 4 years of a Democratic Whitehouse. Elect a conservative congress and McCain will not have too much of a choice but to toe the line.
It is a scarey thought to think of a world where Hillary and/or Obama are in charge.
So I urge conservatives to find a way to pressure McCain and to vote Republican no matter what.
This is for the for the whole ball game- possibly the balance of world power is a stake here so please try to get past single issues and vote with your heads but above all vote!
In the past McCain has called for limits on talk radio by reviving the Fairness Doctrine.
It is suicide for any American to vote for this man. There is no way to rationalize it.
RE : “but we can exert some influence on McCain”
HAH, look how well that worked with amnesty, JMcC told the press he wanted to get his/Kennedy’s bill passed before we Republicans found out what was in the bill. If elected he will destroy the party from within for decades. His whole plan was to torpedo us in 2006 to rise from the party’s ashes. At least with Hill or Osama Republicans will stand united, for/against something. With him it will be nothing.
Better Hillary raise our taxes, give amnesty than the HEAD of the Republican party.
Now hold on just on minute. You wrote of our evangelical frields, and (t)hey have unfairly called Mormonism a cult and now all of us will suffer the consequences..
Its unfortunate we who agree have to resort to bigotry to answer bigotry where no bigotry has been proven to exist. First, what, precisely is an Evangelical? To the Dominant Media Culture, the prevailing Worldview, it would be simple enough to describe such as people who so describe themselves. But to presume they would not support Mitt Romney because he is a Mormon is plain bigotry, even if the statement can be said of a great many Evangelicals. This is a stubborn stereotype that does not serve the need for future unity to overtake those who have, indeed, hijacked the legal machinery of our movement.
Its a stubborn prejudice, much like the one that automatically gives Governor Huckabee the Evangelical Vote, when he still has yet to receive a majority of those who voted in Republican Primaries who so describe themselves.
Im a Christian, and consider my Conservative activism informed by this Worldview, as inseparable from who I am as President Reagan described in his Prayer Breakfast Speech in August 1984, now considered among the 100 most influential speeches in American History. I sit squarely in the vast historic stream of that Worldview. Mitt Romneys religion, to me, as reflected in its believers and practitioners appears to foster some of the most responsible and honest people on Earth.
Had you considered the prejudice against Governor Romneys religion may have arisen more from among those who also derive a hearty belly laugh at the tenets of Christianity?
Im as disappointed with the results of a Primary System less logical and less functional than a Rube Goldberg contraption. I am particularly upset that the gutless history of this process wherein what is essentially a private association of citizens have so married their fortunes to the sanction of the State that the State can determine the outcome of the process for us before more than half the nation has cast a single vote. That somewhere, someone didnt revolt against the States determination of how we would choose our nominee following the elaborate designs of the Democrat Party, beginning with the McGovern-Frazier Commission following the Chicago Police Riot that was the Democrats national convention in 1968.
So, while others may so describe me as Evangelical, I cant shy away from such an unbiblical reference without alienating my fellow Christian. Therefore, so be it. Had North Carolina not scheduled its Primary until May, and if my vote still counts as much as the Free Love Primary of New Hampshire, I dare say, as have more Christian Conservatives, my choices - all reluctant - we 1. Thompson, 2. Romney, and 3 You tell me.
Tell me where the real fault lies in this debacle. If our Primary process is so married to State regulation, than the process as it has unfolded could not be a more clear violation of the federal Voting Rights Act, one-man, one-vote, and the dictates of the Constitution. If the Court should rule these prohibitions against New Hampshires votes counting more than the qualified voters in states that so vote after no choice any longer exists, such a ruling would be earth shattering. And it would prove that weve been victims of convenient lie.
I have a state legislature, county commissions and especially a Congress to overturn - enough to occupy me at present. But it is high time plaintiffs who can easily demonstrate harm take the RNC to federal court to prove once and for all that this process isnt just ridiculous, it is a clear violation of the Voting Rights Act and the Constitution.
Focus on what needs and can be changed, and since I have fought such Civil Rights lawsuits and, against all odds and conventional wisdom, won decisively, think on whether there MUST be instituted a constitutional process for regulating the schedule of political primaries, or we MUST return to the Smoke Filled Rooms, and decided amongst ourselves and ourselves only.
There is still time to enjoin the Republican Party from nominating McCain, or anyone so chosen in a process clearly violating the federal Voting Rights Act.
Fantasy. With the dems in congress (as majority or minority - it doesn’t matter), W had a heck of a time getting many conservative works through. McCain is quite a bit more liberal than W.
So how, pray tell, does the R party fight the R President for conservative issues under the additional barrage of the dem congresscritters? The past is prologue to the future.
don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
Working for conservatives at the local, state, and congress levels IS very important, but has no bearing on whether McCain gets my support.
And before anyone starts shouting about Hillobama and their retchedness, please consider that I was in the military under Bill Clinton. I don’t scare that easily.
I will vote. There are many local issues and the House and Senate are too important not to. But I will not throw another vote into the toilet by voting for someone I do not believe in. Neither of the two parties are offering candidates that represent my values. Sometimes the wasted vote is the vote cast in order to say, “I voted for the person that won.” Other times the wasted vote is the vote cast because, “My guy sucked less than the other guy.” The vote not wasted is the vote cast by conscience.
Im with you on this McCain was nobodys first choice but all the catcals of ‘hes as bad as hillary’ are firt rate fiction
McCain to a significantly greater degree will support our military, as will most of us who vote for him.
That's what you think. He wants to be a one-term president, so why should he give a flying farfugnugen what we think after he's elected?
Keep trying - you’ve got 9 months to get the Pissed-Ant on board. If you win him, the rest of the Freepers should be a piece of cake ...
According to the sociological definition, the Mormons have progressed from cult stage to 'sect' stage at a minimum. Perhaps they've reached the 'church' stage, but they're still relatively young as a movement -- about 150 years if one's practical about their history.
According to the Christian doctrinal definition, they are still a cult in that, most importantly, they are in complete denial of the Trinity.
In either case, I don't see why anyone should get upset over how they are classified by outsiders. That should be the least of their worries.
From my evangelical perspective, they're a cult. Is that going to keep some mormon from paying his rent this month?
While I do not like McCain, consider seriously what four years of President Hillary or Obama would do to the country especially with a solidly Democrat controlled Congress. The US economy would tank and Al Queda would be detonating IEDs if not nukes in US cities. By not voting or voting for the Democrats, conservatives will be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Besides given his age McCain is a one term President and having a conservative Vice President also becomes important Four years of President McCain we can live with.
Don't vote for liberals...
That decision was ruled out Tuesday. What if independents and pro-Israel democrats were able to split the liberal vote in the Democratic primary with two liberal candidates and put Zel Miller as democratic nominee?? Do you think the anti-war democrats (most enthusiastic supporters) who truly believe in surrender would rush to the polls for the lesser of two evils? No, Zel would completely destroy their party as president(due to ideology) , as McCain would do with Republican party. At least democrats have SOME convictions, even if they are all the wrong ones. Don't let the liberals select the head of our party!
Yeah...we should just stay home. /s
He wasn't my first choice either.
He's pro-life (except re: stem cell research) and pro-military, and, at worst, will not make the Supreme any more liberal than it is now. That's really all we have to go on this time around. In retrospect, GWB doesn't really get many more conservative "gold stars" than McCain. And that, IMO, is the real issue that everyone is "venting" about...we wanted a pub candidate that was more conservative than GWB...we didn't get it. In reality...Thompson and Hunter were the only ones that qualified in that category, and, IMO, a vote for Mitt=another 4 years of GWB style conservatism.
At any rate...is letting Hillobama get the WH really worth it? I think not.
Don't overestimate the intelligence of the American vote. The idea that 4 years of Obama/Hillary means a GOP landslide in 2012 is totally unfounded. Ronald Reagan couldn't win the states in 2008 he won in 1980. This is a different political landscape.
What is the use of having the white house if the occupant reaches across the aisle and does every thing the Dems want.
Have you thought about the possibility of 3 Supreme Court Justices retiring during the next term? Do you really want Hitlery or Obama to appoint the replacements?
If one looks at McCain’s conservative rating for the last 10 years, it is not much different than Hillary’s record. This is the reality. The so-called 83% comes from votes taken when McCain was pretending to be a Reagan conservative.
If a sector of our party hasn’t learned anything as a result of the misguided Dole nomination -never going to get elected-then we are in bad shape.
Yeah, I have. McCain will reach across the aisle a pick a Dem acceptable candidate. He almost didn’t vote for Roberts remember.
G’Day, Mel! Wise words ... thanks for chiming in.
And what would ObamaClinton do? And did they vote for Roberts?
And 2, what I did write was not an original argument with me. As a matter of fact, I heard Savage make this case last night, and he can't stand McCains positions on some pretty significant issues..
You know, McCain changed after Bush beat him in the GOP primary in 2000. He became embittered and exacted his revenge by screwing Republicans. He crafted McCain-Feingold in an attempt to shut conservatives up. I have no doubt he would re-enact the fairness doctrine. He doesn’t give a darn about the constitution. He didn’t consider the American people and the effect his legislation would have-only revenge. I don’t think a guy like that should be President. He is dangerous.
They would pick a Dem acceptable candidate as well...but they are Democrats. There is no reason for a conservative to vote for McCain.
I got a lot of heat for saying I would vote for Guiliani over Hillary! I made it a point to say I can’t stand Rudy but to hand the country to Hillary! would be a travesty.
I’m hoping McCain smartens up and gets some good conservative advisers and picks a great veep. If he picks Lieberman, I will have to look long and hard on who to vote for. We survived Carted and Bubba but they nudged the ball towards their end of the goal posts so the next one in line might be the one to push it through.
People say Mcain talked under torture, that doesn’t bother me too much, I can’t in all honesty say I wouldn’t but I would hope I would be strong enough to hang on until my information was useless. His brilliant performance at Annapolis where he came in 5th from the bottom is more worrisome.
But again he's some degrees better than Obama and Hillary who would be dreadful or worse.
Can you imagine either one of them as Commander in Chief?
I bet most of our military can't, while they can imagine McCain in that role.
Sorry, Mr. Allen, but this conservative is not ever again voting for a lesser degree of socialism simply because the name on the ballot is followed by “(R)”.
The current disaffection will create low conservative turnout, with little chance to prevail in contested seats.
My concern with McCain is that the disasterous impact that his policies will have on the economey, the courts, and yes, the nation’s security!
These results will all be blamed on Republicans!
For the marginal difference between his policies and the Dem’s policies, I’d rather see the Dem’s get blamed and then end up in the wilderness, than see Republicans suffer that fate.
I have much greater faith in conservative congressmen resisting the grandiose socialism of Hillobama than keeping McCain in line.