Primary Voters: Vote against McCain! Vote for deadlock! Vote anyone but McCain!

Feb 9, 2008 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Folks, there still may be a slim chance to force a deadlocked convention. I'm no election math wizard, but I believe it's still mathematically possible for McCain to NOT receive the requisite number of delegates to win the nomination. But it would require a great turnout of passionate conservative voters in the remaining primary states to accomplish.

The trick would be for all remaining primary conservative voters to vote for their favorite candidate as if he were still in the race. Fred's name is still on the ballot. So is Hunter's and Romney's. Shoot, vote for Huckabee, Paul or even Giuliani if you wish. Anyone but McCain!

None of the others can possibly win, but it's still possible for McCain to lose. Let it go to the convention and force the GOP to publicly fight it out as if its very life depended on it. Because it does.

What do we have to lose? As it stands now, more and more conservatives are declaring their intentions to sit out the general. If McCain is our candidate, looks like Hillary/Obama will be our next president. Don't let it happen. Vote for any GOPer other than McCain!

[nina0113]

Do delegates go to someone who is out of the race if they happen to win a state?

They do if it's Romney - that's why he suspended his campaign rather than withdrawing.

[johnthebaptistmoore]

It’s even more important to truly make sure that all conservative voters do turn out on November 4 to vote for truly conservative candidates for Congress all the way down to the most local levels of political office! Turnout truly needs to be heavy on the conservative side if we all don’t want long-term socialism to take over the U.S. soon!

[papasmurf]

Jim

That’s what I was trying to do with my posts for double teaming FRed and Mitt.

I thought, perhaps, it had crossed you somehow, and that’s why my posts we’re being “Reviewed” before being allowed to appear.

I fully support blocking McManiac, in any way, shape, or form.

[joe whit]

Some state by state organization required. As winner take all standard could help McCain with continued split vote. I don’t care who we pick as long as it’s one candidate. It seems to make sense for the Huckster. However with few options I’m certainly open.

[seekthetruth]

I need help with these questions.

Wouldn’t it be best to vote for Huckabee to let him take the delegates from McCain?

Do those candidates who left the race still receive delegates if the state isn’t a winner take all state?

Since Fred said to rally behind McCain because he is the presumed nominee mean Fred’s 8 delegates go to McCAin?

I am all for making McCain lose on the convention floor, it that is possible!

[NickFlooding]

Huckabee Takes Early Lead in Kansas GOP Caucuses

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/15478046.html

Huck 61%
McCain 24%
as of 2:43 PM

[wagglebee]

The liberal media weren’t the only ones trashing Romney.

Romney is a typical Massachusetts liberal.

[deport]

The math says that McCain will be hard to stop. It's possible I guess but the remaining states would have to vote in an order such that McCain would be kept under the 492 delegates he currently needs to win. Not sure the combinations needed to do that as it would depend upon type of allocations in each state. Also the state party allocations usually go as unpledged so who knows how they'd voted, party line I'd guess.

Summary .

1274 delegates remaining before LA votes today. 1191 needed to win.

McCain .. 699 delegates .. Needs 492 [38% of remaining available]

Here's the running scoreboard to date and future events.....

Pledged and Unpledged Delegate Summary

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		Republican Pledged and Unpledged Delegate Summary Alphabetically by State   2,516 total delegates - 560 base at-large / 1,305 re: 435 congressional districts / 168 party / 483 bonus Pledged/Unpledged delegates: 1,798 pledged, 582 unpledged. Need to nominate: 1,191.
Rank	(sort) State	Romney, M (175)		Huckabee, M (179)		McCain, J (699)		(available) (1,274)		Uncommitted (20)		Paul, R (21)		Hunter, D (1)		Thompson, F (11)		Allocation
		(sort) Pl (118)	(sort) Unpl (57)	(sort) Pl (156)	(sort) Unpl (23)	(sort) Pl (683)	(sort) Unpl (16)	(sort) Pl (816)	(sort) Unpl (458)	(sort) Pl (20)	Unpl (0)	(sort) Pl (5)	(sort) Unpl (16)	Pl (0)	(sort) Unpl (1)	Pl (0)	(sort) Unpl (11)	(sort) Pl	(sort) Unpl	(sort) Total
1	Alabama			20		16		9	3									45	3	48
2	Alaska		12		6		3	0	3				5						29	29
3	American Samoa							6	3									6	3	9
4	Arizona					50			3									50	3	53
5	Arkansas	1		29		1			3									31	3	34
6	California	12				158			3									170	3	173
7	Colorado							0	46										46	46
8	Connecticut					27			3									27	3	30
9	Delaware					18			0									18		18
10	District of Columbia							16	3									16	3	19
11	Florida					57												57		57
12	Georgia			45		3		24	0									72		72
13	Guam							6	3									6	3	9
14	Hawaii							20	0									20		20
15	Idaho							26	6									26	6	32
16	Illinois	2				54		1	13									57	13	70
17	Indiana							27	30									27	30	57
18	Iowa		10		13		5		3				4				5		40	40
19	Kansas							36	3									36	3	39
20	Kentucky							45	0									45		45
21	Louisiana							20	27									20	27	47
22	Maine		10		1		4	0	3				3						21	21
23	Maryland							34	3									34	3	37
24	Massachusetts	22				18			3									40	3	43
25	Michigan			3		7			0	20								30		30
26	Minnesota							0	41										41	41
27	Mississippi							36	3									36	3	39
28	Missouri					58			0									58		58
29	Montana	25							0									25		25
30	Nebraska							30	3									30	3	33
31	Nevada		17		3		4		3				4				3		34	34
32	New Hampshire	4		1		7			0									12		12
33	New Jersey					52			0									52		52
34	New Mexico							29	3									29	3	32
35	New York					87			14									87	14	101
36	North Carolina							69	0									69		69
37	North Dakota	8		5		5			3			5						23	3	26
38	Northern Marianas							0	9										9	9
39	Ohio							0	88										88	88
40	Oklahoma			6		32			3									38	3	41
41	Oregon							27	3									27	3	30
42	Pennsylvania							0	74										74	74
43	Puerto Rico							20	3									20	3	23
44	Rhode Island							17	3									17	3	20
45	South Carolina			6		18			0									24		24
46	South Dakota							24	3									24	3	27
47	Tennessee	8		23		15		6	3									52	3	55
48	Texas							137	3									137	3	140
49	Utah	36							0									36		36
50	Vermont							17	0									17		17
51	Virgin Islands							6	3									6	3	9
52	Virginia							63	0									63		63
53	Washington							19	21									19	21	40
54	West Virginia			18				9	3									27	3	30
55	Wisconsin							37	3									37	3	40
56	Wyoming		8					0	2						1		3		14	14
Convention		118	57	156	23	683	16	816	458	20	0	5	16	0	1	0	11	1,798	582	2,380

 

Pl: Pledged or Bound Delegates.
Unpl: Unpledged or Not Bound Delegates

 

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Last Modified: Sat Feb 9 14:31:34 CST 2008

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[BARLF]

Isn't Ron Paul the most conservative in this race?

Why are true conservatives on this forum not voting for him?

[callisto]

Linking the state delegate count & primary dates with the former table. Analysis on it's way...Any other finance people on the thread start analyzing data, if you wish while I give it a shot.

DATE	STATE	# DELEGATES
FEB 9	KANSAS	39
FEB 9	LOUISIAN A	47
FEB 9	WASHINGTON	40
FEB 12	DC	19
FEB 12	MARYLAND	37
FEB 12	VIRGINIA	63
FEB 16	GUAM	9
FEB 19	WISCONSIN	40
FEB 23	AMERICAN SAMOA	9
MAR 4	OHIO	88
MAR 4	RHODE ISLAND	20
MAR 4	TEXAS	140
MAR 4	VERMONT	17
MAR 11	MISSISSIPPI	39
APR 5	VIRGIN ISLANDS	9
APR 22	PENNSYLVANIA	74
MAY 6	INDIANA	57
MAY 6	NORTH CAROLINA	69
MAY 17	HAWAII	20
MAY 20	KENTUCKY	45
MAY 20	OREGON	30
MAY 27	IDAHO	32
JUNE 3	NEW MEXICO	32
JUNE 3	SOUTH DAKOTA	27
JULY 12	NEBRASKA	33

[a_dem_no_more]

Eak...
I hate McCain’s stance on illegals as much as you do. But is Hillary or Obama gonna be any better on the borders than McCain? Is Hillary or Obama gonna be better on the RKBA? Or Iraq or the War on Terror? Or taxes? or the Budget? How about gays in the military? Everybody is saying to Hell with McCain, I understand the idea, but maybe if Hillary or Obama get elected, there aint gonna be any America to take back in 2012.

Just the other day, you had the HEAD of the Church of England endorse acceptance of some parts of sharia law for godsakes. What if we have another attack that makes 9/11 look like child’s play? Do you trust Hillary or Obama to make the right call? I dont like McCain but I trust him in that situation alot more than I trust those two.

[callisto]

Authorized? Uh...I dunno...

[Jim Robinson]

Thanks for the post!

[papasmurf]

http://ksgopcaucus.org/results.htm

LOL, Your post crashed their server.

[cgk]

Nice job to you both, thanks!

[Truth29]

I agree; gives ABM a whole new meaning - Anybody But McCain.

[sinclair]

I am proud to say I finally got a chance to vote for a real conservative today. Duncan Hunter! Didn't count for a damn thing but it sure felt good. Hopefully in the future I'll get another chance to do the same again. You know, like voting for Bobby Jindal for POtUS. Y'all give that some thought and see how it feels and maybe real soon you can be proud of your vote again.

[callisto]

Oh heck...I need a FRink! My hand actually aches after coding those tables so I'm going to get another Heine from the 'fridge and let you guys look at the data for a few (I have to do this every day...LOL) If no one has an analysis by the time I can FRink aone beer I'm back on the case.

So here are both tables to date. Let me now your thoughts...

TOTAL 1191 TO WIN - TOTAL OUTSTANDING 1035
CANDIDATE	# PLEDGED	# UNPLEDGED	COMBINED TOTAL	# NEEDED	% NEEDED
MCCAIN	697	17	714	477	46.10%
HUCKABEE	178	3	181	1010	97.58%
PAUL	16	0	16	1175	113.5%
ROMNEY	286	0	286	905	87.43%

DATE	STATE	# DELEGATES
FEB 9	KANSAS	39
FEB 9/td>	LOUISIAN A	47
FEB 9	WASHINGTON	40
FEB 12	DC	19
FEB 12	MARYLAND	37
FEB 12	VIRGINIA	63
FEB 16	GUAM	9
FEB 19	WISCONSIN	40
FEB 23	AMERICAN SAMOA	9
MAR 4	OHIO	88
MAR 4	RHODE ISLAND	20
MAR 4	TEXAS	140
MAR 4	VERMONT	17
MAR 11	MISSISSIPPI	39
APR 5	VIRGIN ISLANDS	9
APR 22	PENNSYLVANIA	74
MAY 6	INDIANA	57
MAY 6	NORTH CAROLINA	69
MAY 17	HAWAII	20
MAY 20	KENTUCKY	45
MAY 20	OREGON	30
MAY 27	IDAHO	32
JUNE 3	NEW MEXICO	32
JUNE 3	SOUTH DAKOTA	27
JULY 12	NEBRASKA	33

[buccaneer81]

Ain’t my website, but I think that Clint Eastwood is right, you all are masochists.

You must be in heaven. All three remaining candidates will open up the southern border and let every illegal have his way. Your dream come true.

[callisto]

Where did you copy that from? I actually coded that stuff by hand. LOL!