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1 posted on 02/14/2008 3:00:52 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
RE: Snake handling - Of course conservatives handle snakes and look at the results - hat bands, boots, belts, wallets, purses and some people even eat the damned things. RE Moonshine - We were way ahead of the curve on this one, too. Anyone who has seen the movie "Thunder Road" knows we were using "ethanol" before it became popular. I guess you could say - "We were ethanol before ethanol was cool".
2 posted on 02/14/2008 3:03:35 AM PST by Lecie
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To: neverdem

And a third choice; You could watch Obama or Clinton sworn in next January while you nestle in your bed of principles.


3 posted on 02/14/2008 3:10:54 AM PST by toddlintown (Ronald Reagan would vote for McCain, just like he sucked it up and supported Gerry Ford.)
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To: neverdem

Thank you Frankfurt School!


4 posted on 02/14/2008 3:24:37 AM PST by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: neverdem
We might ask: With conservatives like President Bush and many of the other Republicans, who needs liberals?

Why, yes, we might.

5 posted on 02/14/2008 3:26:50 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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We are a dying breed in a dying country.


6 posted on 02/14/2008 3:32:00 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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Excellent article


8 posted on 02/14/2008 3:36:40 AM PST by Cruz
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Then you have Newt Gingrigh out there saying the same thing and advocating a conservative separatist movement. The problem is, what Gingrich is proposing is really a plan to become more like populist Democrats -- Huckabee conservatives. I wrote the following in September on a different blog:
I took the opportunity to see Newt Gingrich (and some others) kick off his Solutions for America program which, for me, was moderately disappointing because of the large amount of populist drivel that was being pushed -- the largest applause lines were rhetoric concerning getting tough on illegal immigrants and allowing the teaching of God back in public schools while shrinking the size and scope of federal government and social security choice options garnered much less in comparison. This was in Atlanta, by the way.

Anyhow, just toward the tail end of the event, as Newt appeared as though his was wrapping up his speech, some guy from the audience in a suit (with clipboard and pen) stands up and says something that I couldn't quite hear. The gentleman repeats himself as the rest of the audience wonders just what in hell he's doing: "Mr. Speaker, will you be taking questions?". Newt, appearing not to have rehearsed this, basically tells the guy that, no, he's not going to be taking questions and that he's almost done with his speech. And then Newt says to the guy, after a short pause, "But I am going to be doing a book signing after the event, in the lobby, and you can catch up with me there."

I think that the guy was a plant, myself. I find myself susceptible to certain conspiracy theories whenever and wherever marketing is involved (and also at Vegas-style shows when weird 'random' events seem to happen with audience members being incorporated into the act somehow.

Will Newt run? I don't think so; he seems committed to bringing ordinary Democrats and ordinary Republicans (and everyone else, for that matter) to the table to propose solutions to America's biggest problems. I just have this feeling that the 'solutions' that people will come up with will rarely include allowing markets to facilitate optimal results.

No joke, at this event, the statements that garnered the least amount of applause...privatizing Social Security and limiting the size of government. What does that tell you about the state of conservatives? What does it tell you when the state of the Right has denigrated into perpetual pessimism; that people like Pat Buchanan can rail against capitalism being harmful and it gets traction; that somehow Romney and Huckabee (or, Coulter even sarcastically saying, Hillary) are more conservative than is McCain [Lord do I hate to defend McCain here but it is a legitimate gripe].

Conservatism, if really dead, is only dead because the people in the movement -- and not its leaders -- have embraced the idea of using government to achieve agendas and have instead rejected liberty.

When voters do this kind of thing, is it no wonder that the politicians will give the people what they want? Politicians pander and will deliver the goods that they believe their constituents want. And you know what, we're getting it! Republicans rejected Fred Thompson and Thompson believed he had to toughen his message on immigrants to make it as far as he did.

Nope, conservatism is not dead, classical liberalism is. If you doubt this and think that Reagan wasn't a classical liberal, then I really suggest you go and read (or re-read or listen to) his speeches. Liberty is what is dead. Conservatism lives...conservatism in its classical definition.

18 posted on 02/14/2008 3:58:27 AM PST by LowCountryJoe (Do class-warfare and disdain of laissez-faire have their places in today's GOP?)
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Conservatism will be dead when you kill every last one of us... try it... if you think you can! I for one will not go quietly into that good night. I say bring it liberal!

LLS


21 posted on 02/14/2008 4:25:23 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("There is no conservative alternative in the race. It's just that simple." Rush Limbaugh)
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Conservatism isn’t dead at all, only a “Gone Fishin’” sign in the window. Be back soon to a Party near you.


22 posted on 02/14/2008 4:31:18 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: neverdem

BTTT Great article!


27 posted on 02/14/2008 4:48:57 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: neverdem

I am 100% in agreement with thevabove.


29 posted on 02/14/2008 5:32:31 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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-—great article—you should repost it after everybody is awake—


31 posted on 02/14/2008 7:08:04 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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"We can be revolutionary." Or we can be the usual reactionary.

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This should make us all stop and think

Have Conservatives Failed America?

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35 posted on 02/14/2008 12:07:01 PM PST by neverdem (I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
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The definition of "conservative" is fluid, changing from time to time and place to place.

Hence, John McCain is a "conservative."

45 posted on 02/14/2008 12:53:10 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Vote for McCain! Mental health is overrated!)
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49 posted on 02/14/2008 1:03:30 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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Bookmark


51 posted on 02/14/2008 1:20:50 PM PST by Gator113 (America just traded away the possibility of a dream, for what is certain to be a nightmare.)
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To: neverdem

the truth is that we need to be Counter-Revolutionaries in a liberal culture, rather than right-liberals.


55 posted on 02/14/2008 1:54:29 PM PST by rmlew (Huckabee flip flops so much it makes Romney cringe)
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To: neverdem
We play defense when, instead of striving to eliminate hate-crime laws, we merely fight proposals to make "transgendered" a protected category; when we accept the Federal Department of Education and simply use it to effect "conservative" education reform (read: No Child Left Behind Act); when we simply try to ensure that the separation of church and state ruling is applied in "conservative" ways; when we combat the tax-and-spend crowd by not taxing but then spending; and when we preach against illegal immigration while accepting a culture-rending legal immigration regime.

He's right about some of those things. But like a lot of activists he has a "point-scoring" mentality. The idea is that after 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 years we can go back, get our way, and "win" the point.

Most Americans hate that way of thinking, and their feeling is understandable. It's not that we go back and undo what's been done and legislate a conservative philosophy.

Rather it's that we demonstrate that those liberal policies aren't necessary, either because they've done their work already or because they don't work. Voters care about what works, not about giving victories to this or that political team -- and rightly so.

56 posted on 02/14/2008 2:27:47 PM PST by x
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Yet many would paint America as under the sway of rightist politics, and some of the reasons for this are obvious. Some liberals know that the best way to ensure constant movement toward the left is by portraying the status quo as dangerously far right.
Thanks neverdem.
62 posted on 02/15/2008 12:13:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, February 10, 2008)
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I miss Lee Atwater. Libs have never suffered such a loss.

He understood and could define Libs in a way that the country understood.

64 posted on 02/15/2008 12:26:32 AM PST by drc43 (Defeat is slipping from our grasp... Nancy Pelosi)
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