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Are Volcanoes Melting Arctic?
IBD ^ | June 30, 2008

Posted on 06/30/2008 5:41:55 PM PDT by Kaslin

Climate Change: While the media scream that man-made global warming is making the North Pole ice-free, another possible cause is as old as the Earth itself. They just have to look deeper.


To the delight of Al Gore and the rest of the Gaia groupies, scientists at the National Snow & Ice Data Center in Colorado are predicting that the North Pole will be completely free of ice this summer. The apocalyptic headlines already are starting to appear.

"From the viewpoint of science, the North Pole is just another point on the globe, but symbolically it is hugely important," says the center's Mark Serreze. "There is supposed to be ice at the North Pole, not open water."

From a media standpoint, this is another sign of the apocalypse — proof positive of man-made climate change. But we've heard this before.

In August 2000 the New York Times ran a piece claiming the pole was free of ice for the first time in 50 million years, long before SUVs roamed Earth. As earth scientist Patrick Michaels noted, "It was retracted three weeks later as a barrage of scientists protested that open water is common at or near the pole at the end of summer."

As reported in the June 26 edition of ScienceDaily, a research team led by the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute (WHOI) has uncovered evidence of massive undersea volcanic eruptions deep beneath the ice-covered surface of the Arctic Ocean. "Explosive volatile discharge has clearly been a widespread, and ongoing, process," according to the WHOI team.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: arctic; arcticseaice; catastrophism; climatechange; djsob; environment; geology; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; godsgravesglyphs; ibd; northpole; volcano; volcanoes
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1 posted on 06/30/2008 5:41:56 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Yea, but everyone knows that volcanoes are caused by global warming... you see, all our cars cause volcanoes by...errr... uhhhh.... well it doesn't matter, the debate is over. Global warming causes volcanoes.
2 posted on 06/30/2008 5:44:35 PM PDT by mnehring (What in the name of Gods arse is potpourri? Looks like breakfast. Smells like your auntie.)
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To: YearningToUnderstand

Stick around for a while, Newbie; you may learn a thing or two.


4 posted on 06/30/2008 5:49:32 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Kaslin

STOP THAT! I am working on a grant to study my thesis that the Arctic is freezing volcanoes!


5 posted on 06/30/2008 5:50:13 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Congrasites = Congressional parasites.)
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To: xcamel; steelyourfaith

Global warming PING!


6 posted on 06/30/2008 5:50:53 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Kaslin
Good website for comparing arctic sea ice extent:

Arctic Sea Ice - Daily Comparison


7 posted on 06/30/2008 5:54:37 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave; WL-law; Genesis defender; proud_yank; FrPR; enough_idiocy; rdl6989; IrishCatholic; ...
Thanx !

 



Beam me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 06/30/2008 5:55:10 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Kaslin

I dono, just ask algore a/k/a “The Profit of DOOM”.


9 posted on 06/30/2008 5:56:35 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Obamamaniacs idiot's one and all !)
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To: YearningToUnderstand

Hi Rosie!

Even dumber than fire melting steel?


10 posted on 06/30/2008 5:58:03 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: YearningToUnderstand
SUVS exported to Mars is causing Martian Warming, however since the sunspots were stolen by George Bush, in order to cause hurricanes, tornadoes, tsunamis and earthquakes in every corner of the world, why not volcanoes?
12 posted on 06/30/2008 6:00:15 PM PDT by Foolsgold (after all we got Daschel)
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To: Kaslin
Link to Science Daily June 26 article:

Fire Under Arctic Ice: Volcanoes Have Been Blowing Their Tops In The Deep Ocean

13 posted on 06/30/2008 6:04:32 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: Kaslin
Could someone make these in volcano-size?

14 posted on 06/30/2008 6:04:54 PM PDT by quark
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To: YearningToUnderstand
Ain't it ever. Ice melts at 32F and I doubt it's ever that warm in the artic. Certainly not long enough to melt so much ice. Someone with a brain (maybe that explains it)should have looked elsewhere for a reason for melting ice. Now they've found it.

And who are these Investors Business Daily people....they pour out common sense stuff on a daily basis.

15 posted on 06/30/2008 6:06:29 PM PDT by chiller (www.beheardtoday.com.....check it out....cheap letters to govt. officials...I love it.)
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To: YearningToUnderstand
Ah, your comment about molten lava not melting ice reminded me of Rosie O'Donnel's screech about the WTC being an inside job:

"For the first time in history, fire actually melting steel."

So I took a shot at you actually being Rosie. I take it you aren't, then?

16 posted on 06/30/2008 6:08:01 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: chiller

Perfect screen name for this thread...


17 posted on 06/30/2008 6:09:11 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Kaslin

Let’s start a “melting pool” to guess the date this summer of the complete arctic meltdown. I place $10 on the 12th of never.


18 posted on 06/30/2008 6:12:08 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: chiller

The freezing point of seawater would be lower than 32degF.


19 posted on 06/30/2008 6:13:20 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: Kaslin
About the guy screeching, "We're melting! We're melting!"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2037161/posts?page=77#77

20 posted on 06/30/2008 6:14:22 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: CedarDave

Great pics of the ice. Perhaps we should change “A picture is worth a thousand words” to “A picture iced a thousand warming-turds.”


21 posted on 06/30/2008 6:15:17 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: chiller
Would be a fascinating physics project to estimate how much heat the volcanoes put out, how much the water temperature in the area of the volcanoes is raised and how far the water moves before mixing reduces the temperature to ambient at the depth of the volcanoes and/or temperature change with depth.

An interesting discussion of changes in water temperature with depth can be found here:

Temperature of Ocean Water

22 posted on 06/30/2008 6:17:56 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: YearningToUnderstand
Volcanoes melting the arctic.. dumbest thing I’ve heard all day.

There are over 3 million undersea volcanoes. Why do you think the arctic area is immune from volcanic activity? You just signed up today to make that remark. Do some research.

23 posted on 06/30/2008 6:24:18 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Kaslin
"The Land That Time Forgot"

Great movie! A true sci-fi classic.

"Negotiating an underwater tunnel [beneath the ice] to gain the island's interior, those aboard U-33 are amazed to discover a tropical prehistoric world kept warm by volcanic forces. Here dinosaurs that should be long extinct live and roam, as do a curious race of humanoid savages that appear to exhibit all the various phases of Man's evolutionary development. To survive long enough to repair and replenish the U-boat, wartime enemies must put aside their differences and cooperate with one another. But not everyone is playing from the Kumbaya songbook... The Land That Time Forgot is a thoroughly old fashioned sci-fi/fantasy adventure of the type they weren't really making anymore even in 1975. A lot of this has to do with the script sticking to Burroughs' Victorian style. (His Caprona tales were first published in 1918; as late as World War II he'd still be cranking out novels in the writing style of the 19th Century.) The film's a throwback to the likes of the original King Kong and potboilers such as Unknown Island (1948) and The Land Unknown (1957), only in color."

http://www.eccentric-cinema.com/cult_movies/land_time_forgot.htm

Volcanic eruptions reshape Arctic ocean floor: study
June 25, 2008 | AFP

Recent massive volcanoes have risen from the ocean floor deep under the Arctic ice cap, spewing plumes of fragmented magma into the sea, scientists who filmed the aftermath reported Wednesday.

The eruptions -- as big as the one that buried Pompei -- took place in 1999 along the Gakkel Ridge, an underwater mountain chain snaking 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia.

Scientists suspected even at the time that a simultaneous series of earthquakes were linked to these volcanic spasms.

But when a team led of scientists led by Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts finally got a first-ever glimpse of the ocean floor 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) beneath the Arctic pack ice, they were astonished.

What they saw was unmistakable evidence of explosive eruptions rather than the gradual secretion of lava bubbling up from Earth's mantle onto the ocean floor.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2037073/posts


From Ohio State University News, Dec 2007...

EARTH'S HEAT ADDS TO CLIMATE CHANGE TO MELT GREENLAND ICE

COLUMBUS , Ohio -- Scientists have discovered what they think may be another reason why Greenland 's ice is melting: a thin spot in Earth's crust is enabling underground magma to heat the ice.

They have found at least one “hotspot” in the northeast corner of Greenland -- just below a site where an ice stream was recently discovered.

The researchers don't yet know how warm the hotspot is. But if it is warm enough to melt the ice above it even a little, it could be lubricating the base of the ice sheet and enabling the ice to slide more rapidly out to sea.

http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/hotgreen.htm

24 posted on 06/30/2008 6:28:14 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my home page)
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To: YearningToUnderstand
Try "yearning to understand" at this link.
25 posted on 06/30/2008 6:30:23 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: CedarDave

Please do not attempt to bring FACTS to the Gorebbel’s Warming debate or you will be banned from the scientific consensus.


26 posted on 06/30/2008 6:31:45 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: null and void

Absolutely amazing the lengths that people will go to hide from reality. Of course volcanos are causing the Arctic to melt. Isn’t it obvious? It couldn’t be the millions of tons of carbon. And the carbon and other GHG increases in the atmosphere? Obviously caused by Leperchaun dust. And, the increased rate of class 5 hurricanes is caused by super big dragon flies from the Bermuda Triangle. You’re implication that AGW is a vast left wing conspiracy reminds me of Hillary’s vast right wing conspiracy. You’re not Hillary are you?

Wake up and face reality. It appears that we are changing the climate. As long as dopes keep denying it, it gives guys like Al Gore a platform. Pathetic.


27 posted on 06/30/2008 6:35:01 PM PDT by melstew
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To: mnehrling

I know you’re making a joke but, no kidding, there was a report a week ago that claimed excess sunlight was absorbed into the earth and caused the interior to heat up. Totally bogus but it’s out there now and I’m sure the moonbats will be citing it for 50 years.


28 posted on 06/30/2008 6:38:54 PM PDT by saganite
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To: melstew

Hmm.

Was there supposed to be a < /sarc> tag anywhere in that? And if so, where?


29 posted on 06/30/2008 6:40:56 PM PDT by null and void (every Muslim, the minute he can differentiate, carries hate of Americans, Jews & Christians - OBL)
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To: Kaslin; SunkenCiv; blam

Have you seen this one yet?


30 posted on 06/30/2008 6:41:38 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: melstew
Wake up and face reality. It appears that we are changing the climate. As long as dopes keep denying it, it gives guys like Al Gore a platform. Pathetic.

"Yearning to Understand" has an excuse -- he's today's newbie. What's yours?

Visit http://www.icecap.us/ to begin your education.

31 posted on 06/30/2008 6:43:44 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: melstew
It appears that we are changing the climate.

You have an awfully high opinion of what man can actually do.

Let me know when we can make one tornado. Just one is all I ask.

PS there isn't an increased rate of class five hurricanes.

Sorry.

32 posted on 06/30/2008 6:46:36 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: Kaslin
scientists at the National Snow & Ice Data Center in Colorado are predicting that the North Pole will be completely free of ice this summer.

If thats the case, shouldn't Florida be under water?

33 posted on 06/30/2008 6:47:11 PM PDT by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: Kaslin
This has been my theory for a number of years, and I've made postings to FR stating just that.

I believe that one of the factors in any variation in climate is the ocean temperature, and that it is highly influenced by undersea volcanos.

Nothing complicated, just common sense combined with information that is available.

You'll note that the Arctic Ocean is warming from the west, up from the Aleutians and the Ring of Fire.

34 posted on 06/30/2008 6:50:38 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Da Coyote
I place $10 on the 12th of never.

Hmmm...that's a Long, Long time.....:)

35 posted on 06/30/2008 6:54:49 PM PDT by happygrl
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To: Kaslin

No they aree not. It is clearly the plastic bags and unrecycled aluminum cans


36 posted on 06/30/2008 6:56:26 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: Kaslin
...massive undersea volcanic eruptions deep beneath the ice-covered surface of the Arctic Ocean... caused by Global Warming!
37 posted on 06/30/2008 7:01:46 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: Kaslin
...massive undersea volcanic eruptions deep beneath the ice-covered surface of the Arctic Ocean... caused by Global Warming!
38 posted on 06/30/2008 7:01:56 PM PDT by ricks_place
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To: happygrl

Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute (WHOI) pronounced (who-ee). I would change the name of my research group.


39 posted on 06/30/2008 7:02:12 PM PDT by Lets Roll NOW
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To: CedarDave; All

Checked out this interesting link. Tried going back in time for June 30. Did not find much change. Then I realized that the end of summer might be more interesting. So changed most recent date to August 30, 2007, and compared with that date in 1987, 1997, 2003 and 2006. Also compared those years with September 30. There is a very noticeable change using those months.


40 posted on 06/30/2008 7:02:57 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Dr._Joseph_Warren

No. Does your drink overflow, when the ice cubes melt?(assuming you haven’t drunk from it.)

No it doesn’t. Neither does ice on the North Pole affect the water level of the ocean.


41 posted on 06/30/2008 7:09:26 PM PDT by NathanR
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42 posted on 06/30/2008 7:17:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: melstew
There are many climate reconstructions that show that it was warmer in 1000 AD than it is today. The heaviest industry back then was Cathedral-building - no plausible AGW. The factors that made 1000 AD so warm are the same ones that gave us the modern Warm period.

The undeniable anthropogenic increase in CO2 ppm since 1850 is not significant. Water vapour constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect. The effect from CO2 is tiny in comparison.

Any "facts” regarding global warming that are based on the erroneous concept that CO2 is the main player in the greenhouse effect will end up overstating human impacts as much as twenty times.

Also, the idea that we have an unprecedented level of CO2 today is simply incorrect. For instance: a paleobiological study of the stomata frequency of fossil birch leaves (link is: here ) shows that CO2 concentrations in the early Holocene period (say 11000 years ago to 6000 years ago) were between 300 and 370 ppm – certainly on a par with todays “unprecedented” levels of millions of tonnes of CO2.

43 posted on 06/30/2008 7:22:57 PM PDT by agere_contra
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Thanks gleeaikin.

Sidebar -- That "first time melting in 50 million years" bull was trotted out in the late 1990s by a shill at the NY Slimes; Letterman reiterated it in his monologue all that week, then noted at last that it had been pointed out (again by the Slimes) to be a baldfaced lie. And then it appeared again in a weekend supplement.

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44 posted on 06/30/2008 7:25:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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Fire under the ice
Fire under the ice | Jun 25, 2008 | Unknown
Posted on 06/25/2008 11:32:36 AM PDT by decimon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2036302/posts

Volcanic eruptions reshape Arctic ocean floor: study
AFP | 6/25/2008 | AFP
Posted on 06/25/2008 10:05:57 PM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2036582/posts

Volcanic eruptions reshape Arctic ocean floor: study
AFP | 3 Days Ago
Posted on 06/29/2008 12:05:18 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2038228/posts


45 posted on 06/30/2008 7:32:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: melstew
Wake up and face reality. It appears that we are changing the climate. As long as dopes keep denying it, it gives guys like Al Gore a platform. Pathetic.

How do we know the volcanoes aren't the cause of the increase in atmospheric CO2?

Just how was the modern-day baseline for CO2 established, and where is it measured? cmdl.noaa.gov Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Dry Air Mole Fractions from quasi-continuous measurements at Barrow, Alaska; Mauna Loa, Hawaii ; American Samoa; and South Pole, 1973-2006

Mauna Loa? Has that been in the news in recent years? I believe Mauna Loa is an active volcano, that had a quiet period from 1975 to 1984 - the early part of the baseline period. hvo.wr.usgs.gov/maunaloa/history . In fact, Mauna Loa is the largest volcano on the planet! hvo.wr.usgs.gov/maunaloa

What's relevant about that? It makes me question the validity of the measurement, just like the distribution and location of official weather stations makes me question the validity of the "warming" data. www.surfacestations.org

Have you ever heard that old saying "figures don't lie, but liars figure"? Dig into the data yourself, and see what it tells you. There is a wealth of data available today to those who are interested in learning about any subject, and on the subject of Global Warming, the data is telling me that there are some liars figuring...

46 posted on 06/30/2008 7:34:01 PM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: gleeaikin

Indeed, in 2007 there is a considerable change in sea ice volume from earlier years. The question is what is the cause. Some theories (besides the man-made global warming one) are a strong wind from the area of northern Pacific moving the sea ice to the pole area from the Bering Strait, an abnormally warm year (1934 was warmer but no satellites were around back then so we don’t know the extent of sea ice) and the impact of arctic ocean warming from volcanoes (could there be a heat mixing delay from the ocean floor to the surface??). We don’t know, but based on what I’ve seen so far, 2008 is NOT going to be a repeat of 2007. Of course we’ll know in about 60 days, won’t we? :>)


47 posted on 06/30/2008 8:08:36 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: melstew
Wake up and face reality. It appears that we are changing the climate.

Yes, the stupid fools can't see the writing on the wall, all they have to do is open their eyes!

Just look at the last decade of... Ooops, static to falling temperatures. And even the Gorebots assure us that this decade long trend will continue for another 10 to 15 years.

So the prediction of a severe .5 to 1 degree of global warming in the coming 50 years starts with at least 20 to 25 years of static or falling temperatures. Interesting.

As I think on it, it was little more than 30 years ago that scientists were issuing dire predictions of global cooling.

Also very interesting is that the fix for global warming is a tax on energy and a global redistribution of wealth. How very Marxist of Mother Nature.

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And, the increased rate of class 5 hurricanes is caused by super big dragon flies from the Bermuda Triangle.

Perhaps you could point me to the actual prediction and data supporting this claim. I remember hearing the perennial predictions of greater numbers, and greater severity, but as I recall these were just a few of the very many global warming predictions that have proven false.

48 posted on 06/30/2008 8:46:25 PM PDT by RJL
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To: Kaslin

Fire and Ice

Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.
From what I’ve tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.
But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.

-Robert Frost


49 posted on 06/30/2008 9:20:34 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: chiller
Ice melts at 32F and I doubt it's ever that warm in the artic. Certainly not long enough to melt so much ice.

It gets warmer than that in the Arctic during the summer months, usually towards the end of April or early May, through Sept/Oct.
50 posted on 06/30/2008 9:28:52 PM PDT by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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