Posted on 07/07/2008 8:16:52 PM PDT by markomalley
I work with homosexuals a lot in my job. I don’t hate them.
I could certainly see the military hiring a great homosexual Farsi translator.
I don’t see why our enlisted troops should have to shower, bunk, train and live with him.
I appreciate the service of all the troops, even the homosexual ones, and I especially appreciate when they “don’t tell” and keep their sexual preferences quiet, rather than using our military as the latest social frontier for the advancement of the Cause.
I know there are some homosexuals who would just like to be who they are and have no agenda to promote. I also know they are a small minority of the homosexual population.
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Most don’t really consider what they’re asking of our troops....they don’t consider the BLOODY battlefield.
And, if I can help you, but you can’t help me when blood is needed or first aid is needed, then there’s a HUGE morale problem in addition to a huge battlefield safety issue.
Would you want your child receiving a transfusion from a known gay who had a test months earlier? I wouldn’t.
So allowing homosexuals to sexually harrass normal men is ok for morale. How many men are inclined to deck a queer for viewing his private parts?
I will be the first to acknowledge that many, possibly even most, homosexuals are decent people despite their sinful lifestyles. I believe that in the average work enviornment they can work side-by-side with everyone else without their homosexuality becoming a problem.
However, there is a sense of trust and brotherhood (I’m still not a big fan of women in combat) that is absolutely necessary on the battlefield and this requires the ability to have complete trust. And no matter what anyone says, homosexuality interferes with this.
As far as blood transfusions go, I do not believe that male homosexuals should EVER be allowed to donate blood or organs. This IS NOT a reflection on them as individuals, nor does it discount the reality that many do take steps to lower health risks, it is simply a realization of the inherent health risks of their lifestyle. How many of us would get behind the wheel of a car or get on an airplane that was manufactured with parts that were “thought” to be free from defects a year ago, but could very likely be defective now?
Outstanding illustration!!
Umm, in order for the military to not “leave” them alone they must support sodomy in the first place.
Hint, sodomy nor adultery goes big with most military personnel. You see, people's BEHAVIOR not skin color or genitals must be JUDGED in the strict environment of an all VOLUNTEER military.
Yes they are homosexuals in the military, as well as adulterers, pedophiles, liars, thieves ect... What is your point besides forcing the acceptance of behaviors deemed sick and perverted by many military members? "Human rights"? I guess those who deem homosexuality morally reprehensible have no rights?
What do generals know about unit cohesion?
To leave homosexuals alone who are not assaulting or harassing others is not supporting sodomy. Since sodomy is not illegal in the US what is you proposed postion the military should take that is not already included in their code of conduct? Should they prohibit sodomy off-base or off-duty?
Nearly every article posted on FR about public sex has been about homosexuals (and often it's group sex). This includes oral and rectal sex in public restrooms, truck stops, public beaches and parks.
Knowing the preponderance of evidence that this demographic group gladly practices private behavior in public, would you be willing to share a communal shower with them if they were allowed to serve openly?
You have to put each bisexual in their own room...
I guess you're not reading the thread. See what the guy said earlier about showering in the military.
I assume your comment means homosexuals can't serve because they have communal showers? That's a long way to go around a problem that can be easily solved.
I worked in various prisons and I can tell you there are at least a few ways to stop the troops from grabbing each other in the shower.
It never ceases to amaze me that people would be excluded from military duty because those brave, combat ready soldiers, marines, and sailors, and airmen and women might be oogled. People ready to kill and be killed afraid to shower together. The horror!
No one has "the Right to Serve." Just like I don't have "the right" to be a starter for the Lakers.
How did you handle the situations? Did you complain to your chain of command?
Currently the situation is this, a bunch of guys go into a shower and take care of their personal hygiene. Everyone can reasonably assume that it is relatively safe as all present are “straight”. There is some guarantee against unwanted advances, the homosexual making those advances could get drummed out for it.
Now, allow gays in the military to serve openly. We can readily document where they claim sexual intercourse in public restrooms and showers is just “part of the homosexual lifestyle”. Now, if a gay suddenly decides to be agressive, the target of his “affections” will likely wind up in counseling for refusing his advance. As has already been stated, the military doesn't do anything halfway. They would literally have “advisers” from the homosexual aberrants telling them that they have to allow this behavior.
Here's an example of what passes for propaganda and smear tactics. Someone posts the ridiculous even pornographic photos of a gay-pride parade. Numerous posters come along to titter and sneer and paint all homosexuals the same as those who were in the photos. Anyone who even knows more than one homosexual knows that's a gross exaggeration and a propaganda technique.
And you don’t want to know what you have to do for the hermaphrodites..
If the military allows abberant behavior on base or on-duty, then some leaders need to be retired. You don't keep people out of the military because the leaders are too weak to manage and enforce the rules of conduct.
I said what I have to say about showers above. Oh, and read what the other guy said before.
I supervised showers in several men's prisons for two decades and never made a move or fell in love.
By the way, the UCMJ forbids oral sex, anal sex, indecent public acts, and pretty much any sex that isn't conducted in a missionary position for the purpose of procreation. How are you going to square that with gays?
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