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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: Tennessee Nana

..I’d go for that...


1,321 posted on 08/16/2008 6:58:50 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: longtermmemmory
prepare for the Dinosaur Media Obamagasms.

Media already blaming Obama being on vacation for his poor performance

1,322 posted on 08/16/2008 6:58:56 PM PDT by Popman (McCain as POTUS is odious, Obama as POTUS is unthinkable.)
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To: Clemenza

Fugggedaboutit, you don’t wanna know... hanging in there though. What can you do.


1,323 posted on 08/16/2008 6:58:58 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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To: rhema

Pat Buchanan:

John McCain won hands down.

Obama acted like a college sophomore who hadn’t studied theology and was now facing his oral exams.


1,324 posted on 08/16/2008 6:59:00 PM PDT by They'reGone2000 (And I DON'T want to have to change my name to They'reBack2008!)
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To: toomanygrasshoppers

MSNBC- Best performance of John McCain ever, Obama stumbled and mumbled.


1,325 posted on 08/16/2008 6:59:09 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ('GOP' : Get Our Petroleum)
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To: XR7
Thanks for the heads up on this forum XR7.

Now let the relentless spin begin, but there you have it...McCain is a center right conservative and Obama is a leftist/socialist who will spend us into a socialist revolution with his diapers left intact and embolden our enemies.

1,326 posted on 08/16/2008 6:59:16 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: txflake

Post or private reply me the link to the DU live thread. I couldnt find one.


1,327 posted on 08/16/2008 6:59:20 PM PDT by nckerr (www.myspace.com/ArmyKerrFamily)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Cameron on Fox mentions...... the rough schedule Obama had before the forum..... you know jet lag & all.......

That will be the excuse the talking heads will use for Barry's poor showing.

1,328 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:01 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (Stay Away FAY!)
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To: All

OMG so many EXCUSES FOR OBAMA’s performance!

Just back from vaction,

had a long flight,

not been in the campaign field.

Between the lines, softballs from warren and more of the same from Obama.

The only thing not said was “Obama is clean looking” (ala Biden) Obama was thought ful and articulate. blah blah blah.

They could have givent the obama analysis without ever watching this debate.


1,329 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:10 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: keepitreal

I didn’t catch all of Nobama’s appearance but from what I saw he uh uh uh umh uh SUCKED!!!


1,330 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:10 PM PDT by FlashBack (www.proudpatriots.org/www.woundedwarriorproject.org/www.moveamericaforward.org)
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To: cpanter

I agree. No hedging around like Obama did. He answered short and sweet. I thought McCain won this! Even though I know it wasn’t a debate! HE CLEANED Obama’s clock!


1,331 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:16 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA
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To: icwhatudo

I’ve been planning on voting McCain anyway, but I haven’t been happy about it. After seeing him tonight, I will now do see gladly.


1,332 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:16 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: pgkdan

Hey watch Saddleback here:

http://saddlebackcivilforum.com/index.html

X-games, with “riders for Christ,” i.e. motorcyclists doing stunts, I guess because the Lord told them to.


1,333 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:29 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: flyfree
Who won Tonight? Honestly it was not even close. McCain answered the questions head on and straight-—Obimbo stammered and yammered all over the place.
McCain came across as a fighter and warrior, Obimbo, a stammering ,whiny weasel...but I'm biased,LOL...
McCain looked presidential and in control, Obimbo -in the minor league at best.
1,334 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:30 PM PDT by scott says
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To: rhema

Obama said ‘because he has empathy and our nation is essentially mean and he wants to change that’...blah blah blah


1,335 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:37 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: REDWOOD99

Thanks very much for the ping. But Senator McCain needs to put words into action, like picking a pro-life running mate.


1,336 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:45 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

CSpan has live call in line now

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx


1,337 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:53 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I think she has class and is very involved in charities. I think I like her.


1,338 posted on 08/16/2008 7:00:53 PM PDT by nobama08
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To: Son House

MSNBC saw the same thing we did and...is reporting it that way. There must be a full moon that affected not only McCain but MSNBC talking heads as well.!


1,339 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:04 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: maica
McCain is a much quicker thinker than Obama.

McCain does not have to stutter and bumble and stall, trying to think of what the "acceptable" answer is. Obama can not say what he really believes deep down inside else HE'S TOAST!

1,340 posted on 08/16/2008 7:01:06 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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