Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7
LAKE FOREST, Calif. When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.
He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.
But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.
Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.
"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."
Warren personally invited the two candidates "friends of mine" via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.
It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...
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Let’s put it this way, I wouldn’t be surprised if she was an armpit non-shaver.
It was awesome people watching. Numerous women without bras (and trust me, their bra-less days were loooong behind them). There were 2 women (not together) that I am pretty sure were born male. There was a lady dancing with a traffic cone. The drunkest man I’ve ever seen in my life. A lady dressed like the oldest Baby New Year in history. We were at a crossroads of 3 aisles and, for some reason, when ever people would get directly in front of us, they would start to dance. It was great! LMAO
BTTT!!
5 STAR BOOKMARK!!!
**GG:
What is sin?
OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.**
How about changing that to ‘Being out of alignment with God’s values.’
Hard to believe that is an actual quote of his.
The candidates reply to the question about evil was the most important and revealing of the evening. McCain nailed that one perfectly, Obama came off as a naif. Llewelen Moss faces evil in the film “No country for old men,” but doesn’t realize what he’s up against, and has not the tools to fight it. This country needs a man to lead it, not a boy scout.
Here is some good news for those worried that the Saddleback “forum/debate” is not getting much coverage.
My wife said this is all they talked about in her women’s Sunday school session today. Several of the ladies who had been leaning Obama, were now solidly McCain after watching last nights “debate”. A couple said Obama showed he didn’t have any substance.
Also, the leader of here group just called to remind her to watch the replay on CNN. Said they were calling as many members as they can in the church to get everyone to watch.
McCain went a long way toward cementing the conservative voters into his column last night. This forum will be discussed in churches, sunday school, and other religious meetings in the weeks to come. It will be one of the defining moments of the campaign.
When we look back, the race will have turned in mid to late July. The beginning of the shift began after Obama’s disastrous trip to Europe. The idiot tire inflation energy plan, and this debate.
Bookmark!!!
Thanks for the report. Sounds good.
The bustard didn't even mention FR. He's a dangerous, empty-headed moron.
Looks like the Chicago/Daly mob-machine found their perfect candidate ................ Smootches, babes
But I feel much the same thing as you.
I dont know if I have the stomach to be part of a growing RINO forum, since RINOism, along with Liberalism and Socialism, is an anathema down to each corpuscle in my body. I wonder if FR will ever return to its glory days and (not currently the rationalizing, leftward-moving) moral center.
My departure of course will also be met with cheers of joy from the doctrainaire Republican Party-Firsters, particularly the moderate/lib RINOs who masquerade as conservatives and whom I often wonder about, why are they on a forum for "INDEPENDENT CONSERVATISM". Beats me.
Noooooooooooooooooo
I would miss you
:(
I hope you dont leave...
We love you and need you here
:(
Our pastor and his wife are visiting their son and new grandbaby, and were not at our church this morning. I run the sound system (second level upper balcony) and I am in a booth that is nowhere near the people seated below.
Therefore, I had no real verbal interaction today with any members concerning the Saddleback "forum/debate".
The pastor and I are in communication, in some form, on an almost daily basis. I am anxiously awaiting his next e-mail concerning this "forum/debate". I'm sure he will be pleased.
The folks who matter know.
You big brave guy you!
It must take courage to get paid by political campaigns! I had no idea. Those of us who don't work in the political arena are hiding behind our keyboards!
Priceless.
;)
Gill-teee ...........
Bam-Bam speaks with forked tongue.
Unlike hiding behind an anonymous name and pounding on a keyboard.
And that other thing you were alleged to do in the back seat of your car for $50 that begins with an 'A'.
I bet her long skirt was hiding a pair of hairy Sasquatch legs too :)
I had no idea Chris Isaak would attract so many freaky people. LOL! It's like the Rocky Horror Picture Show :)
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