Posted on 11/06/2008 1:35:14 PM PST by Demosthenes
Forgive me for rehashing this if anybody is tired of reading it, but I finally did all of the research for myself, and have some info you may not have seen.
Barack Obama has never shown his birth certificate. Allow me to explain. A "certification" of live birth is a copy document, accessible by the public, or government agencies, and usually a relatively legally acceptable document in most scenarios. You can use it at the DMV, or to get a passport.
A "Certificate" of live birth is the actual document itself, created on the day/moment of the event, and it is a hospital-maintained record in most cases, accessible only by immediate family and the person for whom it was issued.
Here is what Barack Obama's website put out initially:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
This image is a fraud, plain and simple. There is no state seal, no Registrar's signature, and only a vague June 2007 stamp on the reverse side. Both the signature and seal are easily visible in any photocopy, and are deliberately so. The artifacts surrounding the text are clear photoshop work. Giving Obama the benefit of the doubt, probably some overzealous aide generated it from a viewing of the regular document.
This is an image from Factcheck.org of what the website put out, excpet here we have an actual photograph, in high resolution, proving the website document a forgery. Notice, this document has the necessary seals and signatures:
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_6.jpg
This is, at least, a real document from the State Records office. It is still not an actual copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. The State seal and signature on this document certify to all viewers that this document was created by an actual State Agency, is not a forgery, and that the State of Hawaii accept it as a legal and valid document.
Remember, this is simply a legal substitute for the real birth certificate.
Both of these were offered up as "Birth Cretificates" when they are in fact legally-acceptable substitutes for the real thing. In most cases, this is not a big deal. However, in the case of a US President, I believe they are a VERY big deal.
An actual Certificate of Live Birth in Hawaii, through the 1960s, looks like this:
http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963.jpg
And the critical bit of information it discloses is the location of Birth.
They are very specific about that, and there are boxes for the location, be it hospital, home, foreign country or otherwise.
This is the document that has been sealed by the Governor of Hawaii in 2008, in a special action that affected only Obama's Birth Certificate.
How very convenient.
Why has special action bee taken to prevent this document from being seen?
Because, I suspect, there is information on it which would directly contradict public statements about his birth and begin unraveling a number of lies told to the public about his true origin, and raise serious questions about his eligibility.
His sister, and Grandmother in Kenya have both spoken publicly, and made statements about his locale of birth that contradict his own statements.
Why hide it, Mr. Obama?
What reason on earth would you have for asking the Governor of Hawaii to hide this document on your behalf?
Can I be your neighbor?
And his Jupiter aligns with Mars, too, I guess...
How the he** anyone could think it wouldn't make a difference is beyond me.
LOL!!!!
I was wobbeling on a wing today as well. I was and am reading some pretty convincing things.
oops mistaken indenity, wrong babu
He went to Hawaii rather suddenly, coincidentally just as the Berg lawsuit was public news. His grandmother wasn't reported to be ill until that moment and then dies rather suddenly after his short visit to see her.
And, given his comfortable lead (not due to any fraud, I'm sure), why not take some extra time with her, his voters would certainly understand, in fact, such devotion to family would usually endear a candidate even more to his/her supporters.
Tin foil hat or no, this doesn't sound right to me. I've been around enough people who liked to hide things to see the same patterns with him. It's like, if we knew the truth, either voters wouldn't have voted for him or he wouldn't be legally qualified. Besides, if he was legally a citizen, then what a great "gotcha" to shut up the critics. But that didn't happen...something's not right about this. Not right at all.
I was under the thought that the originals were scanned for distribution. At least that what mine from 1965 look like - a scanned original.
Somewhere there is another honorable Democrat, like Philip Berg who brought the lawsuit challenging Obama’s status in Pennsylvania.
I expected that too. Does he still need that ace up his sleave? is he expecting another "Joe the Plumber" question moment he can make hay about it with the "gotcha"? It all seem surreal.
“Apparently we have chosen quiet discomfort and servitude rather than rising up in defiance”
Now your talking!
It wouldn’t matter. Hawaii was a territory, and therefore part of the US.
Now that’s bizarre. As soon as I posted this comment, my DSL connection no longer would respond. Now it’s kind of working/not working. This happened once before and it was the equipment at their office that was the problem. They reset my line and all was good again. Maybe all my posts should be about my love for the One instead of the anti-Obama posts I usually make. But that would be paranoid...
Bo Sr and Stanly Ann had a “male child” born in the Coast Province Hospital in Mombasa Kenya on the same day he claims to be born. Three Certified copies of this birth Certificate were brought to this country. Berg has one and the other two have been placed in “safe hands”
Paternal grandmother and two half siblings have sign affidavits that they were there.
You are right - an amazing Constitutional question. And if SCOTUS ever hears the case, I hope to be there, I live right outside DC (12/1/08 is just the deadline for Obama’s response to Berg’s suit).
If Obama was found ineligible, the next set of eligible electors is for McCain. Presumably, they would vote 538-0.
As for Biden, I think he could make the case for his electors being eligible - but SCOTUS would have to decide. If they were determined eligible, I would assume they would vote Biden VP at the current Electoral College count. The Electoral College votes for POTUS and VP separately (12th Amendment).
If Obama was ineligible and Biden was declared null and void (as a result of the FULL ticket being voided), then the next set of eligible electors is for McCain/Palin. They would be seated and presumably vote 538-0 for both McCain and Palin.
Wow, think of the TV audience this could generate — enough viewership to save the networks (and maybe a few newspapers)?
Source please.
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