Posted on 05/02/2009 10:22:18 AM PDT by quesney
While reading the following news story:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/motoringAutoNews/idUKTRE5406CF20090501
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I was reminded two very important quotes from John Adams about the American Revolution:
* As to the history of the revolution, my ideas may be peculiar, perhaps singular. What do we mean by the Revolution? The war? That was no part of the revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected from 1760 - 1775, in the course of fifteen years, before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington. o Letter to Thomas Jefferson (1815-08-24), The Works of John Adams
What do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations... This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. * Letter to H. Niles (1818-02-13)
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In other words, years before the American Revolution, there had been a revolution in people's minds about the way things were and the way things should be.
Forget the disputes over just how real are Obama's high poll numbers. This is beyond Obama, or even his current followers.
Whether we realize it or not, the US went through another mental revolution of thought over the past few decades -- maybe beginning as far back as the anti-war protests of the 1960s, maybe to Roosevelt's New Deal, maybe to Lincoln forcing a more centralized Union...whatever.
This revolution of thought has slowly eroded the entire mental foundation of the country's founding principles.
The U.S., as it was and as many of us here still think of it, is already gone. Dead. A number of us have not fully caught up to this emerging reality.
Obama, and Bush before him, are only making that obvious. Steele, Arlen Spectre, the feckless GOP, all the rest -- it's all part of bigger picture already drawn and entrenched, maybe even before many of us were born.
Many of us are holding onto a mental artifact that is gone or never existed in the minds of our "fellow Americans." That remains true no matter what happens to Obama, long after he's gone.
Does that mean we give up? No. But that if you're making a personal decision not to give up, you have to start thinking more seriously about follow-up to those Tea Parties and perhaps to secession.
The U.S. is, beyond everything else, an idea. When our "fellow Americans" no longer share the basic elements of that idea -- of even basic standards of mutual respect, logic, reason, civil discourse, respect for others as equals -- our "fellow Americans" are no longer our "fellow Americans."
Plan accordingly.
Over the past 20 some years, I have watched the relentless spread of waves of central regulation over land and natural resources. As an area where the economy has traditionally been based on natural resources, I have seen people become more and more deeply angered by smothering restrictions, agency demands and layers of costly bureacracy. I have watched our local economy being dismantled to a level of almost 19% unemployment, an exodous of younger families and streets of closed stores. Meanwhile, we live in an area rich in forests (that are dying and burning,) farmland and minerals.
There is incredible long term frustration at a political system where a special interest group can gain the ear of the majority political party and pass through a law shutting down whole industries on party line votes of people who are clueless about that industry and the communities and families that depend upon them for their living.
Obama postured that areas such as ours were populated with disgruntled folks clinging to their guns and Bibles. I think they suspect that there is a population out here that is disenfranchised and angry. I think the Tea Parties are evidence of trying to find a constructive and effective way to channel that passion in a manner that will result in a change of the direction of the country away from the oppression that has fallen upon rural people, and let’s face it, that is what it has become - oppression.
The Fairness Doctrine is only the beginning.
“Does that mean we give up? No. But that if you’re making a personal decision not to give up, you have to start thinking more seriously about follow-up to those Tea Parties and perhaps to secession.”
Socialism is here folks.....
Telling the various shareholders and people of interest in the Chrysler issue who gets paid what and in what order is........?
Socialism........
What did Michael Kinsley say?
I think Obama and the powers behind his glitzy throne are still a little hesitant to directly attack some of these enemies, not because they’re seriously afraid of them, but because they don’t want to do anything so overt that it will wake up people who have been lulling themselves to sleep by telling themselves this is not pleasant, but it’s all within the normal range (who understands economics, anyway?) and we’ll be over it in 4 years.
His strategy for the attacks he has launched, though, seems to be to let the press or some comentator fire a few warning shots, which he then either ignores or dismisses, and then, once the idea has been planted, he suddenly comes out behind it himself. And once the lord and master of the media has spoken, the all-out attack begins. So far he’s been able to get his way simply by using the destructive power of the media, but I think he’ll have to up the ante in the future and will probably try to use the courts. Well, just before he drops even that pretense and simply orders out the Brownshirts.
“The revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected from 1760 - 1775, in the course of fifteen years, before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington.”
I suggest you read that quote very carefully. I don’t think you understand the implications of that comment.
Why do you think Obama has to target certain people as extremists and enemies of the state? He knows what he has to destroy in order to implement his dictatorship. You cannot kill an idea or a belief. You must destroy the vessel that holds it.
If America as we know it were dead, we wouldn’t be having this discourse in Free Republic. It can only die if “we” are eliminated.
I hope you enjoy your chains. I prefer to die on my feet rather than live on my knees.
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Dead? Not by a jug of -.I was reminded two very important quotes from John Adams about the American Revolution:To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.As to the history of the revolution, my ideas may be peculiar, perhaps singular. What do we mean by the Revolution? The war? That was no part of the revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected from 1760 - 1775, in the course of fifteen years, before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington. [Letter to Thomas Jefferson (1815-08-24), The Works of John Adams]What do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations... This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. [Letter to H. Niles (1818-02-13)] |
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“One, it will take only ONE right person to turn this.”
Disagree. Reagan couldn’t reverse this trend.
“I see myself as someone who recognizes an obvious fan of Obama’s and his Marxist ideal. You’re no better than Carville, Begala or Meghan McCain.”
You’re like those RINO-accommodating Republicans who are completely clueless about who your real allies are. Take a look at my history of posts on this forum and then tell me that again to my face.
Unfortunately, I was reading the book accessible from this link
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-rlc/2212081/posts
when this thread went up.
I think it provides significant insight into what’s been going on.
Knowledge is power.
I would put that on my car, if I knew where to buy one.
:)
I may have posted it on FR some time ago. If not, google for “How Tyranny Came to America,” by Joe Sobran. It was to be the first chapter of a book on the Constitution.
Does that mean we give up? No. But that if you’re making a personal decision not to give up, you have to start thinking more seriously about follow-up to those Tea Parties and perhaps to secession.
The U.S. is, beyond everything else, an idea. When our “fellow Americans” no longer share the basic elements of that idea — of even basic standards of mutual respect, logic, reason, civil discourse, respect for others as equals — our “fellow Americans” are no longer our “fellow Americans.”
Plan accordingly.
INDEED.
MERCIFULLY . . . .
GOD HAS A MORE TRUSTWORTHY, ENDURING PLAN
than the evil oligarchy has.
And HE WILL wipe them totally, utterly, 100% off the face of the earth by the end of the literal ARMAGEDDON.
The meek [not wimps—an attitude of submission toward God]
WILL, SHALL, DEFINITELY INHERIT THE EARTH.
GOD HAS DELCARED IT.
IT WILL MOST CERTAINLY BE DONE TO THE NTH DEGREE.
Only clueless satanic idiots think they can out maneuver God.
What?? That is like saying that G-d-given freedom did not exist until 1776!!
“America” is not dead and will never be dead as long as there are those of us who deeply believe, as the people John Adams is talking about in your quotes believed. Despots and tyrants CANNOT take it away from us.
We only need to be willing to fight to again show all men and women that freedom of all oppressive government is our RIGHT under G-d.
Either they are inalienable rights or they are not! And they indeed are. It doesn’t matter how many nor who tell you then are not.
Yesss.
Thank you for post #40!
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I’ve noticed the same thing, Starboard. And it is a genuine, exploitable weakness.
Zero does indeed react badly when things don’t go his way, especially if there is proof that can’t be dismissed. And he’s petulant when somebody disagrees with him, but notice how hard he tries to avoid situations where somebody might disagree with him in person.
He won’t even risk dissent from his lapdogs in the press. His press conferences are carefully choreographed, with questions approved in advance. (Why any self-respecting journalist would even attend a presser where he knew in advance he would never be called upon is beyond me.)
So, I agree that poking Zero and looking for a response is the correct tactic. Sooner or later, he WILL say something to blow himself up.
To the Big O,we are still under construction. It takes awhile to move from Capitalist Country, to a Socialist one. But he still has nearly 8 years to finish the job. Cuba wasn’t created in a day ya know .
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