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The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
daily mail (uk) ^ | 02nd July 2009 | James Slack

Posted on 07/01/2009 8:13:41 PM PDT by Mount Athos

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it is revealed today.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.

In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; britain

1 posted on 07/01/2009 8:13:41 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: ExTexasRedhead

Even higher than South Africa? Wow, that’s dangerous.


2 posted on 07/01/2009 8:14:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The McCain/Palin ticket was like a Kangaroo, stronger on the bottom than at the top)
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To: Mount Athos

This despite strict gun laws? I’m astonished!


3 posted on 07/01/2009 8:16:35 PM PDT by TCats
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To: Mount Athos

But... But I thought that the banning of all private firearms and knifes would stop the violence.........


4 posted on 07/01/2009 8:16:57 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Mount Athos

Wait a sec.

You mean to tell me that the grand ol’ USA has a lower crime rate than the the top ten countries in Europe and our little snobby brother up north? Color me not surprised.


5 posted on 07/01/2009 8:18:47 PM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: Mount Athos

Maybe the channel tunnel was not such a bright idea. Rats boarding a sinking ship without getting their feet wet!


6 posted on 07/01/2009 8:19:58 PM PDT by OCC
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To: Mount Athos

Well..they rejected God. No surprises here.....


7 posted on 07/01/2009 8:21:13 PM PDT by Commander X (Liberalism: Spurring the decay of the USA)
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To: Mount Athos

High crime in Austria? BS.


8 posted on 07/01/2009 8:22:05 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Mount Athos

Hmmm... Even Canada is more violent than USA... is Australia a typo? Only 92 violent crimes per 100k? I wonder if they have any gun laws?


9 posted on 07/01/2009 8:22:28 PM PDT by John123 (Turn on your teleprompter Obama and read your lips... "No New Taxes!!")
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To: Mount Athos

My wife & I were amazed at how many white 20 & 30 somethings had missing teeth and broken arms, etc throughout Scotland last summer - I think they like to drink during soccer matches and then fight, a lot.


10 posted on 07/01/2009 8:23:19 PM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: Mount Athos
But wait! How can that be??? I just finished reading an article about Gwyneth Paltrow in General/Chat in which she said, among other things, “I like living here (Britain) because I don’t fit into the bad side of American psychology. The British are much more intelligent and civilized than the Americans.”

Something isn't jibing here. Do you mean to tell me that Gwynnie could be wrong and that maybe the U.S. isn't actually the crappiest country in the world? Huh.

11 posted on 07/01/2009 8:24:19 PM PDT by TXBlair (First "Christmas" became "Holiday," now "Independence Day" is just "Fourth of July." PC run amok!)
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To: Mount Athos
the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

More than two decades ago, as an exchange student in England, I had to answer questions posed by British students at a school. One student asked: "Is it true there's a mugging every minute in New York City?" I wonder what that person is thinking now about his own country.

12 posted on 07/01/2009 8:27:49 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Mount Athos

Wow!

I AM IMPRESSED! Dangit I’m impressed!

We been thoroughly wupped by the limeys folks. They are more dangerous than us even though we got all the guns and they got none! In fact, they don’t even have KNIVES anymore!

Better not mess with them brits. THEY’RE DANGEROUS! With their BARE HANDS, they’re dangerous!

I wonder if chuck norris is part british?


13 posted on 07/01/2009 8:30:27 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: Sparky1776

The Scottish fight at the drop of the hat. They love to fight.

The Irish get ready to fight then start crying about something.

A lot of the most fearless cops and firefighters in places like NYC are Irish-American. Lots of very brave American military men from SE USA are Scottish extraction.


14 posted on 07/01/2009 8:32:18 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: Mount Athos

15 posted on 07/01/2009 8:32:32 PM PDT by Chet 99
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To: John123

I was surprised too about Canada. Good thing I left..and all this time those sanctimonious canucks kept saying all my life that the Americans were the violent ones.


16 posted on 07/01/2009 8:33:57 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Mount Athos
Brits can thank confiscation of guns and bearers of The Religion of Peace. If the Brits again become bearers of the religion of piece (as in bullet shooter)crime will go down.

vaudine

17 posted on 07/01/2009 8:38:50 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: Chet 99

You beat me to the mention of Stanley Kubrick’s “A Clockwork Orange”.

I lived in England for a year, back in the late 80’s and I can tell you for a fact that the Brits have an inner barbarian lurking just below the surface in their culture.

Heaven help the muzzies if that inner barbarian every decides to open a can of whup ass on them.


18 posted on 07/01/2009 8:41:09 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Mount Athos

Boy I wish I had these statistics a few years ago when I got into an argument with a Brit twit I worked with.


19 posted on 07/01/2009 8:45:26 PM PDT by TheWasteLand
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To: Mount Athos

So, Britain has better than FOUR TIMES as many violent crimes per capita than the U.S.? That’s pretty astonishing.


20 posted on 07/01/2009 8:52:47 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tired of Taxes
the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

Well, as the Pythons would say,"That's British Rail For You."

21 posted on 07/01/2009 8:56:19 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Mount Athos

If only guns were banned . . .


23 posted on 07/01/2009 8:57:49 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Better to convert enemies to allies than to destroy them)
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To: Mount Athos

yup... the UK is pretty violent, just like the US.

just imagine what would happen if we were pissed off.

don’t mess with us, if you value your future generations.


24 posted on 07/01/2009 9:20:50 PM PDT by sten
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To: Mount Athos
All that violence and no firearms allowed in private hands?
That's not possible!

That is as certain and beyond debate as anthropogenic global warming.
Just saying.

25 posted on 07/01/2009 9:38:57 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Mount Athos

Let’s see, would that have any correlation to the fact that the name Mohammed is the 17th favorite baby boy name for 2007 up from 22nd in 2006? Hmmmmm?


26 posted on 07/01/2009 9:46:16 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Mount Athos

They need more gun and knife laws!!!!!!!!!

Seriously, England is so stuck in the liberal, environmental, animal rights, hippie utopia, that they live in the La La Land of denial. Just look at the way they put the US down, this is good ammo to use against the liberals who just love to tell me how civilized Europe is compared to the US.


27 posted on 07/01/2009 9:57:24 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: TXBlair
The British are much more intelligent and civilized than the Americans.

The poor ignorant dear doesn't know what selection bias is.

If you are an average American who has lived your whole life in America, you have been exposed to the vast diversity of all Americans, from the most educated and sophisticated right down to the rap singers and Jerry Springer Show guests.

On the other hand, if you perchance should meet an Englishman with the means and motive and opportunity to travel to America, you are not very likely to be meeting an average member of British society. Slack jawed school leavers and multi-generational dole-dependent layabouts on sink estates do not jet off to Hollywood to meet up-and-coming young film stars.

And when the up-and-coming film star becomes the world famous and wealthy film star, and visits or moves house over to England, once again she will not be meeting anything like a representative cross-section of the English people. I could show her round a few council estates in the dodgier parts of greater London that would cure her of her ignorant, snobbish Anglophilia in one afternoon.

28 posted on 07/01/2009 11:08:01 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Thunder90
But... But I thought that the banning of all private firearms and knifes would stop the violence.........

Well, they overlooked banning mean thoughts. But never fear, I'm sure they'll get around to doing so.

29 posted on 07/02/2009 12:16:38 AM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: Mount Athos

Fathers’ rights activists in Britain saw it coming and long ago predicted the high crime rate as a result of fatherlessness.


30 posted on 07/02/2009 12:16:56 AM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Mount Athos

Austria placed second? more violent then south africa????sorry but this report is BS.


31 posted on 07/02/2009 12:28:12 AM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: Frantzie

You drop that hat? ;-)


32 posted on 07/02/2009 1:24:22 AM PDT by MadMitch
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To: Mount Athos
But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.

While I wouldn't want to belittle the disturbing trend shown by these figures, one should always treat with the greatest caution international comparisons of crime rates simply based on crude numbers, such as this. Widely different systems of classification, and cultural differences which cause more crime to be reported to the police in some countries than others, make these numerical comparisons a very unreliable guide to the reality on the ground. It's the trend within a single country, using internally consistent recording systems, which is a much more reliable indicator. The article does make this caveat, which for once (when excuses are made by a government minister) has substance.

33 posted on 07/02/2009 3:03:52 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: Clintonfatigued

Just remember this is reported crime.

A lot of crime is never reported. The murder rate is much lower.


34 posted on 07/02/2009 4:09:46 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: TCats

921 murders versus 20,000.

Im happy with the gun laws as they are.


35 posted on 07/02/2009 4:10:25 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Sparky1776

They do. Theres a lot of violence in Britain, but it very rarely becomes lethal violence.

This is not an inditement of the state of gun laws in the UK. It is an inditement of drink culture. Almost all crime in the UK is drink (or drug) related.


36 posted on 07/02/2009 4:12:01 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Tired of Taxes

Its like everywhere else. Crime, particularly violent crime, tends to be concentrated in particular locations. Usually depressed urban areas.


37 posted on 07/02/2009 4:13:18 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Cicero

Statistics can be misleading. We need to be able to talk back to them.

Firstly, what is the definiton of a “violent crime”? I dont know, but Im sure that it varies from country to country.

Secondly, this is “reported” crime. Crime is more likely to be reported these days.

Thirdly, there may be more violent crime about in the UK, but its much less likely to be lethal violent crime.


38 posted on 07/02/2009 4:16:34 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: familyop

Just so. Im sure thats more to blame than the state of the nations gun laws.


39 posted on 07/02/2009 4:17:41 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Mount Athos

And if you read Theodore Dalrymple, you will find the crime rate is even higher then the “official” crime rate because they don’t even count a large number of crimes.


40 posted on 07/02/2009 4:21:16 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Mount Athos
The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

I'd LOVE to see the US breakdown between RED and BLUE counties in the US.....
41 posted on 07/02/2009 4:23:19 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Mount Athos

This article is typical MSM. What causes this “violent” Britain? Guns?, knives? Huge increase in Amish? How about disparate immigration over the last 30-40+ years? Anybody want to guess? Oh no it couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the massive amount of third world and Muslim immigration? Just as the overwhelming amount of violence in this country has nothing to do disproportional with blacks or our own immigration policies. Why, just look at the picture they used for the article. It’s them damn Amish yutes!


42 posted on 07/02/2009 4:26:19 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Mount Athos

That have anything to do with the large Moose limb population?


43 posted on 07/02/2009 6:15:58 AM PDT by RoadTest (I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Depends. The UK had 921 murders vs. 20k for South Africa. Dunno what that is per 100k, but I bet its lower. Maybe you’re just more likely to get your head busted in the UK and more likely to be killed in South Africa.

It also might be the laws. Things that are not considered crimes at all here in the US might be “violent” crimes in the UK. For example, having a box cutter in your car (I read about a newspaper delivery guy arrested for this...) might be a “violent” crime in the UK and normal in the US. I don’t really know how the legal systems compare.


44 posted on 07/02/2009 6:32:04 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Sparky1776

Scotland does not have a soccer hooligan problem, its a misnomer that ALL European countries do.

If Scots do fight, its at closing time on a Friday or Sat night after the pubs close. And most Scots of that age (or 18-65) of course do not have missing teeth etc and are healthy, law abiding subjects.


45 posted on 07/11/2009 7:07:45 AM PDT by the scotsman
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