Liz Cheney Defends Birthers on Larry King

Right Pundits ^ | Tuesday, July 21st, 2009 at 8:12 pm | Bryan McAffee

[patriot08]

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[ckilmer]

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains here why Obama's short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record.

[patriot08]

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[nathanbedford]

Rather than viewing the reaction to the birther movement as a distraction consider it as thermometer which measures the degree of dissatisfaction among the electorate and, not insignificantly, measures the unease among the media in their uncritical support of Obama.

The greater the dissatisfaction (read fear) in the electorate, the more open they are to the issue. The more the media reports on the birth certificate issue, the more willing they are to challenge the infallibility of Obama which heretofore they had put off-limits.

The first line of defense by the left and the leftist media against the birther movement has been to ignore them to death in the media, defeat them in the courts, and belittle them into irrelevancy. Sounds like Bill Clinton in the Monica Lewinsky affair. This line of defense is being breached. Fewer and fewer people who were victims of the Obama pathology are willing to leave unanswered one simple question:

Where is the birth certificate?

[eyedigress]

I am seeing that as well. A football game reference is a political measure as to whether you have the ball. The fact that they are playing defense clearly defines they do not.

[Red Steel]

Good post Nathan.

[scott7278]

Bookmarked.

[Plutarch]

The first line of defense by the left and the leftist media against the birther movement has been to ignore them to death in the media, defeat them in the courts, and belittle them into irrelevancy...

Arthur Schopenhauer predicted all this:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

[LucyT]

Thank you, Slings and Arrows. Good news.

Liz Cheney Defends Birthers on Larry King

[Arizona Carolyn]

Yep, if the woman thinks you are nuts that is a compliment.

Seems this COB issue is starting to gather steam and is rolling downhill.

[tinamina]

Personally, I want to see a copy of the one which has his footprints on it, along with the birth weight, length and who his parents are. I want to see what his name was then and which hospital he was actually born in.

[Arthur McGowan]

I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve heard that statement cited as “declared that she has seen Barack Obama’s birth certificate showing that he was born in Hawaii.”

[sten]

with the whole birth certificate thing, we only have a few facts. the following contain no conjecture and no conspiracy theories at all. anyone wishing to discuss this issue should stick with EXACTLY what we know for fact.

1. 0bama and mccain were both asked for proof of eligibility in the spring if 2008. only mccain complied

2. a short form certificate of live birth was briefly shown on an 0bama website. this was later proven to be a forgery

3. a certificate of live birth is not adequate to prove natural born status

4. 0bama’s paternal grandmother has stated she was at his birth in kenya (witness testimony)

5. 0bama flew his family to hawaii to see his dying grandmother. michelle and the kids did not see her and 0bama spent less then one hour with her. 0bama and family left the day after arriving. within a couple of hours of leaving hawaii, the hawaiian governor announced that his birth records were there and would be sealed and only available if 0bama permitted it personally.

6. numerous suits have been brought demanding proof of 0bama’s eligibility. all have been dismissed without hearing. all could be resolved within 5 minutes by presenting the proper documentation

7. the pentagon rescinded deployment orders for a soldier contesting 0bama’s eligibility and legality to send him into combat. with the orders rescinded, the case was dismissed.

8. 0bama’s legal defense has cost roughly $1 million

this is the question you should pose to any defenders:

would you pay $1 million to keep your birth certificate from the public? what could possibility be on it that could harm you?

[radu]

Several months ago, I found a blank, downloadable copy of this form on the Hawaii gov’t. website. I’ve looked for it recently and can not find it now. It appears they’ve pulled it from their site.

The one thing that caught my eye when I spotted the blank form was there was a time stamped underneath “Hour of Birth” and that time was the same as the time on the form posted on FactCheck.

I thought I saved both of them - the blank and FactCheck’s - and have been pulling my hair out while trying to find them. I guess I didn’t save them. DANG IT!!!

Up to the time I found that blank on the Hawaiian site, I really didn’t think much of the whole birth certificate issue. But seeing the identical times was an “ah-HA!” moment for me. Something stinks.

I guess I’m now a “birther” because I want to know what is on the LONG form birth certificate.

Back to looking for that blank certificate. I know what I saw and want it permanently in my grasp.

[Rugged Individual]

COLB is meaningless. Filled out by a state bureaucrat. The vast majority of state workers are liberals. Wouldn’t have been too difficult.

I have a copy of my original long-form birth certificate, filled out and signed by my birthing doctor (signed by two witnesses) listing my hospital.

Besides, wouldn’t he have been Soetoro on the birth certificate? Which doctor had the privilege of bringing the Messiah into this world at which hospital? Why can’t Obama keep his story straight on his birthing hospital?

I have mine, where is Barry’s?

[BuckeyeTexan]

Sure he can. They floated a story in January about the dotor who supposedly delivered Obama: Dr. Rodney West (also dead).
They’ve had 2 years to scrub his records and 1 year to perfect a forgery. Mark my words: the long-form BC will come out within 3 months and it will say that he was born in Hawaii.

[1234]

“...Creating a paper forgery of a long form bc that could fool even expert document examiners isn’t the problem....”

dramatic; u sure ‘bout this?

[john mirse]

Sure he can. They floated a story in January about the dotor who supposedly delivered Obama: Dr. Rodney West (also dead). They’ve had 2 years to scrub his records and 1 year to perfect a forgery. Mark my words: the long-form BC will come out within 3 months and it will say that he was born in Hawaii.

*****

I wouldn't trust any long form 1961 Hawaii birth certificate that came out of the Obama camp.

1. Rather, I want Obama to give Hawaii permission to release copies of Obama's 1961 long form birth certificate directly to the public, that is, I don't want anyone in the Obama camp to touch it before it is released to the public.

2. For instance, Hawaii could set up a special room where only authorized persons representing the public could study and examine Obama's long form birth certificate.

3. For instance, 3 representatives approved by Obama and 3 representatives approved by the main media would take turns taking pictures and studying Obama's long form 1961 long form birth certificate.

4. Or, the 3 Obama representatives and the 3 media representatives would be given copies to do with them as they please.

5. Again, I don't want Hawaii to first send Obama a copy of his 1961 long form birth certificate and then have Obama release or hold up the copy for everyone to see, because I don't know what sinister things that the Obama camp might do to it before it released it to the public.

6. No. Let Obama simply give Hawaii permission to release Obama's long form birth certificate directly to the public, because I don't want anyone from the Obama camp touching it whatsoever.

[Republic]

...."Liz Cheney did not ‘defend’ birthers. She said it was proof that people were uncomfortable with a president that doesn’t seem interested in defending America. She hit a home run and google eye about had a cow"..

Gotta love Liz. What a PERFECT REPLY!

[Aurorales]

“The problem is in fabricating the identities of the attending physician and any other signatories and witnesses to Obama’s birth.”
____________________________________

The other major problem Barry has when attempting to make a false BC is in the top right corner of all real Birth Certificates in Hawaii.
Top right corner has a serial number or a registration number. The numbers are sequential and given to each baby's BC.

If Barry is fabricating a BC, he needs to find a number which lines up with the other real babies born in Hawaii on the date he stated. If Barry's fake long form certificate shows a number which doesn't line up with the other certificates numbers for that day, we will know it is a fraud.