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Can Pawlenty Win Evangelicals and Moderates (Unlike Palin and Huckabee)?
US News & World Report ^ | 7/30/09 | Dan Gilgoff

Posted on 07/31/2009 12:45:39 PM PDT by steve-b

It's striking that today's Associated Press profile of Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, a possible 2012 Republican presidential candidate, excludes mention of his evangelical faith and strong ties to the evangelical world. I was struck by the same absence in a recent New York Times Pawlenty profile.

How solid are Pawlently's evangelical bona fides? The pastor of his home church is president of the National Association of Evangelicals, the nation's largest evangelical interest. Last year, as John McCain struggled to win over evangelical leaders, Pawlently quietly tried to arrange a meeting between the Republican presidential nominee and National Association of Evangelical bigs, but to no avail....

Unlike prospective Republican White House contenders like Mike Huckabee and Sarah Palin, Pawlenty doesn't talk like a culture warrior, which helps explain why Pawlenty coverage in the national media ignores his faith-based side. But can his less strident tone help him win independents in a way that Huckabee and Palin have failed to, while his evangelical side makes him a hit with the GOP's social conservative base?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012election; christianvote; evangelicals; pawlenty
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1 posted on 07/31/2009 12:45:40 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b

He’s not going to win anybody, Steve.


2 posted on 07/31/2009 12:46:36 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: steve-b

lib mag tells GOP secrets,,,


3 posted on 07/31/2009 12:47:49 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: steve-b

I am not interested in Pawlenty. The only decent thing out of Minnesota is Bachmann.


4 posted on 07/31/2009 12:48:15 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: steve-b

Huckabee didn’t have too much trouble with moderates. He struggled with talk radio listeners.


5 posted on 07/31/2009 12:49:07 PM PDT by Tramonto (Live Free of Die)
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To: steve-b

Sorry Steve,

But the real question is can he win the base of the party, the conservatives.

If he keeps up with the “Big Tent” crap, codeword for we need to lower our standards and principles, he’s dead on arrival.


6 posted on 07/31/2009 12:49:36 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: steve-b
Can Pawlenty Win Evangelicals and Moderates (Unlike Palin and Huckabee)?

Easy answer.....NO!

7 posted on 07/31/2009 12:49:39 PM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: steve-b

As the governor of Minnesota, whose senators are Klobuchar and Franken, Pawlenty is, IMO, a nonstarter. His campaign will be over before it starts.

Too many of us will want to know how he oversaw a corrupt election that ended with Franken being declared the winner? That’s NOT the type of individual I want in the WH!!


8 posted on 07/31/2009 12:50:16 PM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: steve-b

Furthermore Stevie-boy,

Why post crap from a left-wing site such as US News and World report?

Nothing out of that rag can be trusted and nothing is objective.


9 posted on 07/31/2009 12:51:03 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: steve-b

he should run for Senate, take a leading position in Senate Centrist Coalition (”advocating bipartisan solutions”) and pushing some liberal dream bill with McCain and Feinstein. That would get him declared The Conservative Messiah here in fr..

it worked before..


10 posted on 07/31/2009 12:51:10 PM PDT by heiss
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To: steve-b

Gilgoff seems to have a big thing for the National Association of Evangelicals, gay drug addict Ted Haggard’s group. The NAE vice president Richard Cizik also supported Barack Obama last year.

Stay away.


11 posted on 07/31/2009 12:54:54 PM PDT by iowamark (certified by Michael Steele as "ugly and incendiary")
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To: DustyMoment

I totally agree with you. Senator Franken is Exhibit A in the case against Pawlenty for President.


12 posted on 07/31/2009 12:56:54 PM PDT by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: DustyMoment

My fear is that the GOP after what I am almost postive will be a great turn-arond in 2010 will pull a “1996” in 2012 and nominate a ‘Bob Dole’(i.e. Pawlenty, Romney) as our candidate and then watch the Obama Machine roll right over him. And after 8 years of Obama what will be left and what will it matter who runs in 2016, more than likely by then they will have trashed the constitution to the point where Obama will become the Sultan of America!


13 posted on 07/31/2009 12:57:17 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: All

More muddying the water nonsense from the media druids. They are pimping this guy because they know they can destroy him in a flash and keep their power. Even if he won by some accident, he stands for nothing and could be quickly marginalized. Same old stuff.


14 posted on 07/31/2009 12:58:59 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: steve-b
The pastor of his home church is president of the National Association of Evangelicals, the nation's largest evangelical interest

this just makes him the least influential "most influential" nonentity in the country, because probably 3% of evangelical church goers even know whether they're members. Pawlenty and Sanford have the same problem, they look like dull, scared twits on TV.

15 posted on 07/31/2009 1:00:21 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Kartographer

Your 100 percent right. Which is exactly why I believe that Sarah Palin will wait til 2016 to run. She knows with this media, she has NO chance. The GOP unfortunately has their heads so far up their asses they will nominate Mitt Romney who will lose in a landslide. It will be a choice of the lesser of two evils, and they are both evil so I don’t want either one. The GOP hasn’t learned their damn lesson and they might not for a very long time until people knock some sense into their heads.


16 posted on 07/31/2009 1:02:03 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: steve-b

steve-b - proudly trolling FR since 1998.


17 posted on 07/31/2009 1:04:02 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Your 100 percent right. Which is exactly why I believe that Sarah Palin will wait til 2016 to run. She knows with this media, she has NO chance.

And you expect them to be less hostile in 2016?
18 posted on 07/31/2009 1:04:13 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

The media tends to, every 8 years, change. I’m not saying wait eight years, but just watch, the GOP is already starting it, they want Romney as their guy and they will fail miserably because of it. The media will say what a great guy Romney is and then once he gets that nomination BANG, the media will sworn in and bring up RomneyCare and every other thing he has ever done in his life that will make him look bad. You really think the media wants Obama to lose in 2012, they are already working on his campaign


19 posted on 07/31/2009 1:06:21 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: steve-b

I’ve paid a fair amount of attention to Pawlenty, trying to get a fix on him. And I mean from watching him interviewed or giving a speech, not from the bad political outcomes in MN. Not saying they aren’t important...they are.

Hate to say it but gotta...after searching and searching for who or what Pawlenty reminds me of in his persona...general appearance, voice, mannerisms and manner, features, etc., I’ve come up with what he reminds me of.

A cute mouse, such as they are drawn in cartoons, storybooks etc. Not a real mouse because they aren’t cute...

I can’t get past that, but even if I could get past it, I’ve got some other bones to pick with the MN Governor.


20 posted on 07/31/2009 1:08:12 PM PDT by txrangerette (Just say "no" to the Obama Cult.)
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To: Kartographer

Kartographer...I believe the title you are looking for is “Caliph” ...............


21 posted on 07/31/2009 1:08:47 PM PDT by klb99 (I now understand why the South seceeded)
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To: steve-b
Pawlenty has recently had a come-to-Jesus moment on global warming—perhaps literally.

I'm afraid the Minnesota evangelicals aren't the evangelicals that the Republican party must have to win presidential elections. And the evangelicals they must have in the south and midwest aren't overly concerned about global warming and sure don't support cap and trade.

Pawlenty will not win over the evangelicals in red states talking about global warming and advocating cap and trade. But if conservatives don't get their act together and settle on a conservative candidate early in 2012, Pawlenty is just the candidate the blue states might nominate while conservatives split their votes among several candidates as in 2008.

22 posted on 07/31/2009 1:08:57 PM PDT by Will88
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To: steve-b

What part of “No RINOs” don’t you get, Steve ?


23 posted on 07/31/2009 1:09:06 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: steve-b
Can Pawlenty Win Evangelicals and Moderates (Unlike Palin and Huckabee)?

I hate Huckabee.

24 posted on 07/31/2009 1:10:35 PM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Only dead fish go with the flow. -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Yup. If Palin were so horrible as the media claims, she’d be the ONLY candidate they’d want the GOP to run in ‘12. They’d be clearing the field for her. But she’s the LAST Republican they want us to run. Remember, if the media is touting a Republican for office, kids, THEY’RE NOT SOMEONE WE CONSERVATIVES SHOULD SUPPORT. Why do you think they hump RINO squish losers like Pawlenty or toxic con-artist Socialists like Slick Willard ?


25 posted on 07/31/2009 1:13:05 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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26 posted on 07/31/2009 1:13:15 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: SoConPubbie
Your 100 percent right. Which is exactly why I believe that Sarah Palin will wait til 2016 to run. She knows with this media, she has NO chance. -----------------------------

And you expect them to be less hostile in 2016?

_____________________________________

If Obama is not a one termer, he will be a lifer. There is no time to wait, or hope for the Limousine Republican, RINO leaders to do something right. He77 they are in on it for the most part.

27 posted on 07/31/2009 1:15:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: steve-b

Pawlnety is a first class wussie - a Lindsey Graham understudy.


28 posted on 07/31/2009 1:17:14 PM PDT by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: steve-b

One hears so much about this elusive bloc of fiscally conservative, socially liberal voters that is essential to the GOP’s success, yet no one can actually find it, even when the GOP sets out one of these presumably attractive candidates as bait.

If this bloc existed in the numbers claimed, Romney and Pawlenty would be attracting much more unsolicited public and media interest.

People would be talking about them with the same enthusiasm that they did about Barack Obama before his nomination and election, and the way they do about Sarah Palin now.

The media would be enraptured by the (Pawlenty, Crist, Romney, etc.) phenomenon. They just wouldn’t be able to stop talking about him (or her), good or bad.

People don’t want the magical, mystical, middling muddler. They want the personality. Like it or not, Barack Obama was The Personality, and regardless of ideology, The Personality will almost always beat The Safe Choice.

Sarah Palin is The Personality today, just as Barack Obama was from the moment of his Senate election.

The Democrats had a passel of safe candidates—Edwards, Vilsack, Bayh, Warner, Richardson—but the Democrats didn’t tie themselves up in knots trying to pass one of them off as the inoffensive moderate the needed to sweep to victory in 2008. Had they done so, they would have demoralized their own base and thrown away a winnable election.


29 posted on 07/31/2009 1:17:53 PM PDT by Loyalist (If a tree falls in the forest, and the media is not there to cover it, does it make a headline?)
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To: steve-b

Great..lets run a Rino “moderate” again. McCain showed us how well that worked.


30 posted on 07/31/2009 1:18:18 PM PDT by Mogollon (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: steve-b; All

Well Steve, it looks like you’ve had your ass handed to you once again, so I’ll just say that Pawlenty has all the charisma and appeal of a mashed potato sandwich, minus the salt.


31 posted on 07/31/2009 1:19:18 PM PDT by mkjessup (0bama is ineligible to serve based on Article II Section 1 of the Constitution. End of Story.)
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To: steve-b

The only conservative politicians in Minnesota are moderate democrats. Pawlenty was a moderate democrat and changed party affiliation so he could run for office outside the democrat political machine. How do you spell RINO???

In Pawlenty’s favor he does like the military and visited the Minnesota National Guard unit stationed in Kosovo a couple years ago, shortly after Kosovo declared independence.


32 posted on 07/31/2009 1:19:33 PM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: Tramonto

You mean real conservatives don’t you?


33 posted on 07/31/2009 1:21:37 PM PDT by the long march
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To: fieldmarshaldj

The media wanted McCain BADLY to win the nomination, because they knew against Obama, McCain stood NO chance of winning. So they propped up McCain, saying what a wonderful man he is, I remember the press coverage for McCain during the primaries, boy they kissed his ass. When he won the nomination, Obama was already getting the drapes for the White House ordered, but when McCain chose Sarah, the media did not see that one coming, they were stunned, they thought “Oh My God, McCain might actually win” so they did whatever it took to destroy her. Remember this, the media loves picking our candidates, they pick them, the pick the ones who are the least threat to their agenda, prop them up, say how great they are, then when they are nominated boy oh boy do they bring them down


34 posted on 07/31/2009 1:23:21 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

NO WAY!


35 posted on 07/31/2009 1:24:15 PM PDT by RED SOUTH
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To: Sarah Barracuda
The media tends to, every 8 years, change. I’m not saying wait eight years, but just watch, the GOP is already starting it, they want Romney as their guy and they will fail miserably because of it. The media will say what a great guy Romney is and then once he gets that nomination BANG, the media will sworn in and bring up RomneyCare and every other thing he has ever done in his life that will make him look bad. You really think the media wants Obama to lose in 2012, they are already working on his campaign

If by that you mean they get continually worse, I agree.

Concerning Sarah, I have seen nothing, and I mean nothing that would lead me to believe she has the same disease as the rest of the GOP crowd of sticking her finger in the wind and strategerizing over principal over any issue.

She's principled and a fighter, not a chance in hell will she wait.

If she does, she'll lose a lot of supporters.
36 posted on 07/31/2009 1:24:15 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

I want her to run and BADLY, but it is up to her. I think she will campaign for Conservative candidates in 2010 and see what happens. If Sarah wants the nomination she’s got it. I will do whatever necessary to help get her into the White House. My greatest joy in life would be going to her inauguration in 2013, but after all, it is her decision, and I think soon enough we will all find out what her decision is


37 posted on 07/31/2009 1:27:05 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: klb99

No ‘Kartographer’ is a title award to me by a very good author friend of mine and I bear it very proudly.


38 posted on 07/31/2009 1:30:32 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: steve-b

Dear Tim,
All you get in the middle of the road is run over!


39 posted on 07/31/2009 1:31:47 PM PDT by G Larry ( Obamacare=Dying in Line!)
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To: steve-b

Title — Can Pawlenty Win Evangelicals and Moderates (Unlike Palin and Huckabee)?

Ummm..., I think one sign of whether someone is thinking about running for the Office of President of the United States in the future — is — whether they talk about the “Obama birtch certificate” issue or not... :-)

Anyone who mentions that Obama needs to show his birth certificate to the public and is not a natural-born American citizen — is obviously not running for President... LOL...


40 posted on 07/31/2009 1:33:53 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Ummm..., I think one sign of whether someone is thinking about running for the Office of President of the United States in the future — is — whether they talk about the “Obama birtch certificate” issue or not... :-)

Anyone who mentions that Obama needs to show his birth certificate to the public and is not a natural-born American citizen — is obviously not running for President... LOL...


You sure are a "one-note" nelly aren't you?

I've never seen somebody so obsessed over one issue like you are.

I am leaning more and more to the idea that you are a Troll from the other side of the aisle.
41 posted on 07/31/2009 1:36:37 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: steve-b

This week Pawlenty blasted both RomneyCare and ObamaCare. Plus he said nice things about Palin. Pawlenty is attempting to portray himself as the conservative alternative to Romney. Pawlenty is hoping Palin supporters will flock to him should Palin decide to not to run.

Like Palin, Pawlenty was attacked by the Left. He faced down hostile DFL legislaors in budget battles. Despite the attacks, he endured the battles and served two full terms as Governor.


42 posted on 07/31/2009 1:37:04 PM PDT by DanZanRyu
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To: steve-b; MplsSteve

All you need to know about Pawlenty is Wheelock Whitney Jr. He supported Rudy in the last election. (gave some cash to McQueeg and Barry to be fair)

http://www.muckety.com/2006-Tim-Pawlenty-MN-gubernatorial-campaign/5026084.muckety


43 posted on 07/31/2009 1:37:19 PM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: indylindy

That’s the way I see it too - from a distance.
I’d hate to have the media stick us with a candidate again.


44 posted on 07/31/2009 1:37:44 PM PDT by mcshot (My President will be honest, transparent, open and have a legitimate birth certificate.)
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To: klb99

Sorry I am so use to being attack I took your post all wrong. I apologize.

You are correct Caliph (Muslim Ruler: A title taken by Islamic rulers such as the Turkish sultans that asserts religious authority to rule, derived from that of Muhammad.) is even better than Sultan (Muslim Ruler: the sovereign ruler of an Islamic country, especially formerly the head of the Ottoman Empire.). Thanks!


45 posted on 07/31/2009 1:38:09 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Loyalist
One hears so much about this elusive bloc of fiscally conservative, socially liberal voters that is essential to the GOP’s success, yet no one can actually find it, even when the GOP sets out one of these presumably attractive candidates as bait.

Well said, the imaginary large pool of "fiscally conservative, socially liberal voters" doesn't exist.

46 posted on 07/31/2009 1:39:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: Sarah Barracuda

More to the point, they wanted virtually ANY of the leading RINO candidates that ran last year. Rudy would’ve been eviscerated for his Social liberalism (and the “in drag” pics wouldn’t have helped, let alone the three marriages), Huckster as the backwoods Southern buffoon, McCain (obvious), and Slick Willard (flipflopper, disastrous tenure as Governor, and belonging to a church that excluded Blacks from leadership until almost 1980 - which would’ve been a nightmare to excuse or justify for us). Notice the one candidate they DIDN’T want was Fred Thompson, and they did their best to ignore his candidacy. It’s too bad we didn’t have other first tier Conservatives to run last year, all but Fred took a pass. The liberal RINOs sure didn’t... and they damn well should’ve.


47 posted on 07/31/2009 1:39:28 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: steve-b

This evangelical is a Palin supporter.


48 posted on 07/31/2009 1:39:45 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: DanZanRyu

Had Pawlenty not crippled the MN GOP, he’d not have HAD gargantuan DFL majorities after 2007. Faced ‘em down, what a joke. Yet the DFL laughs all the way to election day and after...


49 posted on 07/31/2009 1:41:37 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: steve-b

Tim who?


50 posted on 07/31/2009 1:42:28 PM PDT by dancusa (The word "racist" is a magic shield word that's supposed to stop any dissent.)
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