Posted on 12/11/2009 5:57:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Free Republic is a fringe right-wing Christian fundamentalist site... or so they say... and they might even be right.
We don't go for any of that godless left-wing big government socialist malarkey. And we do put our faith and trust in God, not government. We are pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Family, pro-Country and pro-Liberty.
We do not believe that government or science knows what's best for us or our children. We will make our own decisions thank you very much.
Every once in a while some group of posters get together and try to bend Free Republic to their will. Now, we tend to be pretty free-wheeling around here and will take a lot of guff and a lot of obnoxious insults from a lot of people, but eventually a breaking point is reached.
For example, when a group of RINO lovers recently banded together to try to force FR to accept an abortionist/gay rights RINO as our presidential candidate, they soon found themselves on the outs.
And a few years ago a group of evolutionists tried to force FR over to their way of thinking and they soon found themselves on the outs.
FR is a pro-God, pro-Creator, pro-Life, pro-Liberty site.
And now we have yet another group of Darwinists trying to have their Darwinist way with us. Well, as I've said before what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger.
Darwin Central has again declared war on FR. They have ping lists and email lists and will try to pull away as many FReepers as they possibly can. So be it. Those who would rather go with Darwin, please go. I sure as hell won't try to stop you.
FR will remain a pro-God, pro-Life, pro-Liberty, pro-Creator conservative site.
We wholeheartedly believe that our unalienable rights are a gift from God our Creator not from man or government. And no man, no government will ever deprive us of same.
Keep your powder dry.
That is not the position being stated here. Man is created by God. I do not question God’s ability to do anything, and I believe that God gives us the tools to understand how our world works at points in time that He know we will be able to understand them. To reject those tools is a giant folly.
I don't care what takes place in sects. You said Cardinal and unless you can identify another church that has the ecclesiastical office of Cardinal you attempted another slander of the Catholic Church.
I recognize you have a perverse need to try to bait me into a flame war or a sh*t slinging match, but I am not going to play your game. I will respond to legitimate questions or comments, but not to anymore of your gutter tactics.
Chapter 3 of Proverbs has it right: “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.”
I trust the Lord and His Word. Jesus is the Lord, and in John, He is the Word. The Bible, Old and New, is Jesus/God/Holy Spirit talking to us, telling us all we need.
I mock your possition that science trumps it. But then to show your untenable position, I further the very argument you use, science knows all. Well, Medical science says Your Saviours bones are stored somewhere.
It doesn’t fit with Scripture. This is what the Catholic Online Bible has in it.
http://www.catholic.org/bible/book.php?id=1&bible_chapter=2
Gen2:7 Yahweh God shaped man from the soil of the ground and blew the breath of life into his nostrils, and man became a living being.
You are back! I thought I smelled whiskey and urine. BTW - I still have you on ignore.
Cardinal, priest, Pope, who cares? Today, that Cardinal says you have non-human ancestors and that is OK. Tomorrow, maybe he says its OK for couples to live together a little while before marriage. Or perhaps he throws Noah under the bus. It matters not. What does matter is the slow erosion of the Word, until all that is left is empty fairy tales telling you to live a good life.
Yessirree, that's real a Spirit filled response on your part, for someone you are ignoring, that is....
That is not incompatible whit what I have said or quoted:
"We are told that God formed the man of dust from the ground. There is here something at once humbling and consoling. Something humbling because we are told: You are not God, you did not make yourself, and you do not rule the universe; you are limited. You are a being destined for death, as are all things living; you are only earth. But something consoling too, because we are also told: The human being is not a demon or an evil spirit, as it might occasionally appear. The human being has not been formed from negative forces, but has been fashioned from God's good earth. Behind this glimmers something deeper yet, for we are told that all human beings are earth. Despite every distinction that culture and history have brought about, it is still true that we are, in the last resort, the same. The medieval notion characterized in the dance of death that arose during the horrible experience of the black plague, which threatened everyone at the time, was in fact already expressed in this account: Emperor and beggar, master and slave are all ultimately one and the same person, taken from the same earth and destined to return to the same earth. Throughout all the highs and lows of history the human being stays the same -- earth, formed from earth, and destined to return to it.
But let us look a little closer, because here, too, the progress of thought in the last two decades helps us to grasp anew the inner unity of creation and evolution and of faith and reason. It was a particular characteristic of the 19th century to appreciate the historicity of all things and the fact that they came into existence. It perceived that things that we used to consider as unchanging and immutable were the product of a long process of becoming. This was true not only in the realm of the human but also in that of nature. It became evident that the universe was not something like a huge box into which everything was put in a finished state, but that it was comparable instead to a living, growing tree that gradually lifts its branches higher and higher to the sky. This common view was and is frequently interpreted in bizarre fashion, but as research advances it is becoming clearer how it is to be correctly understood.
Cardinal Ratzinger
Ignore.
I doubt that, from the Catholic Bible, Gen2:7 will be any better received than my account of creation based on Naturals assertions.
noted
And that is exactly what happened. We are all shaped from the soil, and mankind is given life (and a soul) by God.
NL: At the moment in the process God selected one and called him ADAM and endowed him with a soul, reason, and conscience. No apologies needed or offered.
That is not incompatible whit what I have said or quoted:
It sure is incompatible with what you said earlier. You said that God selected one (lemur like ancestor) and endowed him with a soul, reason, and conscience.
There are only two possibilities. You are wrong or the Bible is.
Which one is it?
God selected a human being - not a lemur.
I am wondering why these attacks on the Catholic faith are allowed while even the slightest bit of snark from a Catholic in defense against attacks by fundamentalists is “noted.”
If someone said that, it shows a remarkable ignorance of just whom Adam was, and doubly worrisome if some religious authority believes and preaches it.
This is no attack on Catholic faith. It is a discussion on evolution that has been tied to - linked to Catholicism by Natural Law.
It is an attack on science in regards to its ‘ability’ to explain Creation, or not. And you know that, or would if you read up-thread.
Natural Law is one of that group that JR ranted against in this post, jumping into Creation threads to ridicule Creation and prop up evolution. If you equate evolution with Catholic faith, the issue is not with me.
"The Church has never gone any further than that and probably never will."
A lot has happened since Pius XII.
Who do you believe when it comes to creation - what ‘man’ thinks or what The Creator says.
You fail or are unable to recognize the role of the Holy Spirit. Those who worship in denominations without Apostolic Succession often see Church leaders as "men" and not instruments of the Holy Spirit.
Let's see . . . so the distinguishing characteristics of churches with apostolic succession is that G-d uses the leadership to constantly change and evolve doctrines over time so that what is believed today may be very different from what was believed in the ancient past. Meanwhile, those poor, benighted churches without apostolic succession are stuck with beliefs that never change. How outrageous!
I wonder how long it will be before there will be women priests and transubstantiation is rejected? After all, a lot can happen over the years . . .
"The Church has never gone any further than that and probably never will."
A lot has happened since Pius XII.
Who do you believe when it comes to creation - what ‘man’ thinks or what The Creator says.
You fail or are unable to recognize the role of the Holy Spirit. Those who worship in denominations without Apostolic Succession often see Church leaders as "men" and not instruments of the Holy Spirit.
Let's see . . . so the distinguishing characteristics of churches with apostolic succession is that G-d uses the leadership to constantly change and evolve doctrines over time so that what is believed today may be very different from what was believed in the ancient past. Meanwhile, those poor, benighted churches without apostolic succession are stuck with beliefs that never change. How outrageous!
I wonder how long it will be before there will be women priests and transubstantiation is rejected? After all, a lot can happen over the years . . .
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.