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Orly Taitz - Defendents oppose transfer of case (Quo Warranto to DC )
Oil Immigration.org ^ | January 11th, 2010 | David-Crockett

Posted on 01/11/2010 12:47:03 PM PST by Red Steel

It is my best guess that Obama’s attorneys figured that once Judge Carter dismissed it was over… far from it! Orly has come back with a strong offense. For sure the Justice Department (Obama, et al) is doing its best to stop Judge Carter from approving the transfer to Judge Lamberth in Washington DC. Orly filed a nice response to their opposition.

Below are some highlighted excerpts from the filing:



Orly has pointed out that Judge Carter promised to hear the case on its merits. The Justice Department defending Obama conned the Judge into dismissing and used the excuse of “jurisdiction” claiming only Quo Warranto can be brought in Washington DC.



Orly said, “fine, let’s move the case.” She is asking Judge Carter to move the case to Judge Lamberth’s court in DC. This would serve to best expedite the case, including discovery.



Orly is making sure that Judge Carter is aware of the fact that the Justice Department and Eric Holder have been stalling for many months now. An original Quo Warranto was filed in Judge Taylor’s Washington DC court (he has since retired.. couldn’t stand the heat in my opinion).. that was back in March, 2009. The Justice Department has done everyting in its power to stall, hide, ignore the case..



Orly is telling the Judge that the longer he waits to allow “we the people” to seek justice in court the more damage that Obama does to our Country. The Justice Department is basically defending a Usuper in office.. the entire system appears to be corrupt.. of course, Eric Holder is simply a puppet for Obama.



We hope and pray that Judge Carter allows this case to be transferred.. Obama will have a much tougher time getting the case dismissed in Washington DC if Carter allows the transfer.. Any kind of ruling against Obama will set a precedent that could literally force the Court into action.




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To: ASA Vet; rxsid
You were saying ...

Irrelevant. Obama isn’t a Natural Born Citizen.

We've got the official statement from the State of Hawaii...


“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

51 posted on 01/11/2010 1:50:38 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: chris37
How does "anonymously tossing stones from an internet forum" do ANYTHING to Taitz?

If I think she is headed down a dead end road, then I'll say so.

Is that a problem for you?

52 posted on 01/11/2010 1:51:12 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: Star Traveler
Now, the peculiar thing about that -- is that I've read a few posts elsewhere on Free Republic (over the months...) that have said that to get a passport that you have to have a long form birth certificate, while others said no you didn't.

I have an Illinois birth certificate that differs in no noticeable way from the Hawaiian short form, except that it says "Illinois" at the top and not "Hawaii." I used it to get a passport in California with no problem whatsoever.

53 posted on 01/11/2010 1:51:38 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: ASA Vet
"Obama isn’t a Natural Born Citizen."

Precisely! However, it IS because of his being born a British subject.

54 posted on 01/11/2010 1:51:54 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: chris37; humblegunner
You were saying ...

If you think you can do better than Mrs. Taitz, then I suggest you put your money where your mouth is, or get out of her way.

I think it may be as some other FReepers say, that Taitz is working for Obama.

So, that could be the reason for Obama's high court costs... he's paying for lawyers on both sides... LOL...

55 posted on 01/11/2010 1:53:03 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Red Steel

Thank you for sharing....and I am glad someone is continuing to pursue these cases regarding Obama’s eligibility. It is a shame that some here on FR continue to Enable Obama on this issue


56 posted on 01/11/2010 1:53:30 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (No Illegal Alien Amnesty.....Never)
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To: Star Traveler; ASA Vet
"We've got the official statement from the State of Hawaii... "

That's pretty funny there. Of course the good doc from HI has the authority to declare ole' Barry a "natural-born American citizen."

/sarc

57 posted on 01/11/2010 1:54:19 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
You were saying ...

I have an Illinois birth certificate that differs in no noticeable way from the Hawaiian short form, except that it says "Illinois" at the top and not "Hawaii." I used it to get a passport in California with no problem whatsoever.

Well then..., taking your own experience and your ability to get a U.S. Passport with that short form, then I would have to say that it's "definitive"...

Thanks...

58 posted on 01/11/2010 1:54:58 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Yeah, and that 'official' statement is about as deceit-free as your Bible Scholar offerings at FR. [ Your deceit exposed. ]
59 posted on 01/11/2010 1:55:49 PM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: rxsid
it IS because of his being born a British subject

No, it's because one of his parents wasn't a US Citizen.
British law isn't the issue.

60 posted on 01/11/2010 1:56:16 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: rxsid; ASA Vet
You were saying ...

That's pretty funny there. Of course the good doc from HI has the authority to declare ole' Barry a "natural-born American citizen."

Of course, no one can make anyone believe an official statement from the State of Hawaii and I don't expect that many (who don't like the answer from them) will accept it.

But, that's what they have said, officially, nonetheless... :-)

And for the vast majority of the public (consisting of both conservatives and liberals), they will take the agency who produces the very form, the certified copy -- as having a whole lot more credibility than some posters online... LOL...

I mean, what do you expect, they are the ones who have all the original information in their documentation and they are the ones who issue any "certified copies"... :-)

61 posted on 01/11/2010 1:58:53 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: rxsid
Of course the good doc from HI has the authority to declare ole' Barry a "natural-born American citizen."

Sure, didn't you know the good doc has the power to make Ozero's dad a US Citizen posthumously and retroactively.

62 posted on 01/11/2010 1:59:53 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Star Traveler
Since you like to repeat your posts. I'll do the same back at you.

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"Star Traveler: The problem with that -- as it pertains to the State of Hawaii and to that department -- is that they are the only ones who make up certified copies of a person's birth certificate (in that state).

Garbage In Garbage Out. It's very likely the problem with Obama's birth certificate. Explained and repeated below.

Star Traveler So, if you're saying that the only agency who can actually prove where Obama is born -- has information that cannot be trusted -- then you're basically saying that there is no way you'll ever know (no matter what) where Obama was born -- because there is no other place to get a certified copy of the birth certificate... LOL...

You've got a real problem there, I would say... :-)

What I said in my prior post is clear, but you like to distort what I said. For the millionth time, Obama could show some honesty and authorize Hawaii to release his BC for the public to see. Carefully parsed and measured statements from Hawaii are not good enough.

Here is what was said in its entirety that you distorted:

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"Star Traveler : And since it's the State of Hawaii who produces any certified birth certificate for someone who requests it there -- that means that they do know what they're talking about (I mean, they keep, maintained and certify the birthplace...).

That's all I have to know...

She does not understand the concept of Garbage In you get Garbage Out or GIGO for short. An old computer programming term about if the data being processed or inputted is bad the output will also be garbage.

I told her a DoH bureaucrat from Hawaii is not an impartial person to decide about Obama's birth records as legit in this case because they may have motives to hide flaws about their system.

As an example, as you know, Hawaii accepted statements from any person who said they witnessed the birth of a baby in Hawaii. A big red flag that calls out for abuse. If that's the case with Obama, it would blow him out of the water. So Hawaii is likely taking what their records say about Obama at face value even if they have suspicions now it's bogus information - they won't mention any concerns publicly and they'll state the opposite.

Other ignorance on display is lack of simple logical inference from them. If Obama was born in a Hawaiian hospital, there is no reason for Obama not to authorize Hawaii to release his long form birth certificate to the public. The After-Birthers will do anything not to acknowledge this. It's absurdity on display." "

63 posted on 01/11/2010 2:00:04 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: humblegunner

Now that’s 2 for 2 — dismissive comment about Sarah Palin on another thread and a nasty comment about Orly on this one. What is your agenda?


64 posted on 01/11/2010 2:00:33 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: MHGinTN
You were saying ...

Yeah, and that 'official' statement is about as deceit-free as your Bible Scholar offerings at FR.

Are you saying that the officials at the State of Hawaii were holding a Bible study, while issuing the following statement? ... LOL...


“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

65 posted on 01/11/2010 2:01:54 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Red Steel
:-)

You were saying ...

Garbage In Garbage Out. It's very likely the problem with Obama's birth certificate. Explained and repeated below.

[ ... ]

Here is what was said in its entirety that you distorted:

No distortion here... I'm simply stating what the reality of the situation is. First you have this "reality". This is what the State of Hawaii said...



STATEMENT BY HEALTH DIRECTOR CHIYOME FUKINO, M.D.

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”



Given that reality, from the statement from the State of Hawaii, and from the very person in the department in that state that takes care of those records and who also creates the "certified copy" for the relevant people who ask for it (or when a court orders it) -- I would say that there's no distortion of understanding here...

If you're asking from that same department of the State of Hawaii to produce a certified copy -- for which they just said that statement above, officially and for the public -- and then you say that as far as their statement is concerned it's "garbage in garbage out" -- but I want the certified copy that they also produce -- then I would say that you've got a problem with reality here... LOL...

That's so apparent that you've seem to miss it... you want the very copy that they produce, but you don't want what they officially say about Obama...

That sounds more like you don't want to accept what they already know and have on record, more than anything else.

66 posted on 01/11/2010 2:04:13 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: RonF

BHO stated in his autobiography that he is NOT a natural born citizen because his father was a British subject. What part of “natural-born” do you not understand? It means that you were born to two US CITIZEN parents. Not one.


67 posted on 01/11/2010 2:04:21 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: ASA Vet
"No, it's because one of his parents wasn't a US Citizen. British law isn't the issue."

I completely agree that both parents are required to be citizens for one to be NBC (including being born "on soil").

However, any idea WHY that needs to be so?

It's so that the parents can NOT "convey" their foreign citizenship onto their children. The parents aren't the one's trying to run, or that obtain, the office of the Presidency. It's the children who grow up to. Those same children that would be born with divided loyalties is what the framers wanted to protect against. And that's exactly what happened here.

So the question isn't, how can Barry's father who was never a citizen have a son who can never be NBC because he (Sr.) was a foreigner?

The question is:

HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN?

The former argument can lead to years of debate. The later question has yet to be "justified" or answered in any way shape or form by anyone so far as I know.

68 posted on 01/11/2010 2:05:50 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: afraidfortherepublic
What is your agenda?

Items remaining:

1. Check mail
2. Feed dog
3. Wash dishes
4. Replace breaker for porch
5. Make dinner

That's about it.

Are you going to help or something?

69 posted on 01/11/2010 2:06:42 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: Star Traveler
No distortion here... I'm simply stating what the reality of the situation is. First you have this "reality". This is what the State of Hawaii said...

You completely distort. The "reality" is what you ignore.

70 posted on 01/11/2010 2:07:29 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: humblegunner

Chop, chop.


71 posted on 01/11/2010 2:07:49 PM PST by Neets
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To: Star Traveler; ASA Vet
"But, that's what they have said, officially, nonetheless... :-)"

And since she has no authority to make such a declaration, it is...therefore, officially meaningless.

72 posted on 01/11/2010 2:08:13 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Neets

It’s a hard job.

Those windmills are BIG and TALL and INANIMATE.


73 posted on 01/11/2010 2:10:33 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Obviously it is, humblegunner.

Your comments do not address any course of action she has taken, they are personal insults to her.

Other than her shrill voice and amusing lunacy.

This doesn't really sound like a comment that addresses the status of any road that she is on, now does it? It sounds to me like you don't like her, and that it gives you pleasure to mock her. If you don't have any meaningful comments to add on the subject of Orly Taitz, then I suggest you sit down and STFU.

Is that a problem for you?

74 posted on 01/11/2010 2:12:05 PM PST by chris37
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep; Star Traveler
I have an Illinois birth certificate that differs in no noticeable way from the Hawaiian short form, except that it says "Illinois" at the top and not "Hawaii." I used it to get a passport in California with no problem whatsoever.

Colorado also uses the same form. My original "long form" has been lost and when I needed a replacement, I received by mail a stamped, certified computer-generated short form identical in format to the "factcheck" BC and this is what I used to enlist in the military, get my passport and get married. For whatever reason, the State Department requires long forms from only those born in Texas and California.

75 posted on 01/11/2010 2:12:09 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Red Steel
You were saying ...

You completely distort. The "reality" is what you ignore.

It's really difficult to distort the following official statement from the State of Hawaii...


“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”


And it's difficult to distort the fact that John McCain and Sarah Palin did not raise the issue during the election. In addition, it's kind of hard to distort the fact that the entire Congress certified the Electoral College vote last year when they all met in session for that purpose. And it's kind of hard to distort the fact that Vice President Cheney, who was there, too... did not raise any objections to Obama's candidacy or his qualifications to be President of the United States.

And it's kind of hard to distort the fact that President George Bush did not challenge the candidacy of someone who was not qualified to be President according to the Constitution, when he is charged with upholding the Constitution in his office as President.

It's kind of hard to distort the fact that the Supreme Court did not issue any order to stop the Electoral College vote, nor the certification of it, nor the swearing in of Obama, nor him taking office -- all which was asserted by some FReepers here (at the time) that the Supreme Court would do.

So, far, I don't see that I'm distoring any "reality" ... here... LOL...

76 posted on 01/11/2010 2:14:19 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: rxsid
It's fairly simple.

British law applies within their jurisdiction. We, (the US,) told them in 1776 to take a hike.
Their law doesn't apply here, just as we, (the US,) have no power to make laws effective in Great Britain. They'd tell us to go pound sand.

Only our law, (The Constitution,) applies here.

77 posted on 01/11/2010 2:14:49 PM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
I have an Illinois birth certificate that differs in no noticeable way from the Hawaiian short form, except that it says "Illinois" at the top and not "Hawaii." I used it to get a passport in California with no problem whatsoever.

Then Obama should have no problem showing that short form COLB he put online to a court to end this matter, but he does have a problem.

78 posted on 01/11/2010 2:15:27 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Drew68; Bubba Ho-Tep
You were saying ...

Colorado also uses the same form. My original "long form" has been lost and when I needed a replacement, I received by mail a stamped, certified computer-generated short form identical in format to the "factcheck" BC and this is what I used to enlist in the military, get my passport and get married. For whatever reason, the State Department requires long forms from only those born in Texas and California.

Okay, that's good to know...

And so it appears that the "short form"/"long form" issue is a tempest in a teapot... :-)

79 posted on 01/11/2010 2:16:04 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Red Steel; Bubba Ho-Tep
You were saying ...

Then Obama should have no problem showing that short form COLB he put online to a court to end this matter, but he does have a problem.

I guess we'll see when a court asks him to do that...

Do you have any idea when that will be happening, as I see some people have been waiting here, for that, for about a year or so... :-)

80 posted on 01/11/2010 2:17:42 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: ASA Vet
Your missing the point.

Barry was born a British subject, by way of British law.

The U.S. has no authority to say that Barry could not inherit the citizenship of his foreign father.

The question remains, how could someone who was a Natural Born Citizen of the United States, be under the jurisdiction of Britain?

81 posted on 01/11/2010 2:19:00 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: humblegunner
Here, let me give you a hand....


82 posted on 01/11/2010 2:19:03 PM PST by Neets
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To: ASA Vet
British law applies within their jurisdiction. We, (the US,) told them in 1776 to take a hike. Their law doesn't apply here, just as we, (the US,) have no power to make laws effective in Great Britain. They'd tell us to go pound sand.

Obama, himself, claimed dual citizenship in his autobiography (or bioagraphy, if you think Ayers ghost-wrote it). As a dual citizen, he had to formally claim US citizenship at age 18. I had friends who did this. Where is the paperwork that shows that Obama declared his preference for US citizenship? Where is ANY paperwork regarding Obama?

83 posted on 01/11/2010 2:20:57 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Star Traveler
It's really difficult to distort the following official statement from the State of Hawaii...

I'm not distorting anything she says other than it was carefully parsed statement giving her wiggle room. My past posts addressed this. What you won't do is acknowledge the truth to what I said about the Hawaiian DoH past business practices of their issued birth certificates.

84 posted on 01/11/2010 2:22:50 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: rxsid
You were saying ...

And since she has no authority to make such a declaration, it is...therefore, officially meaningless.

Of course, you would want it to be meaningless, or else you wouldn't have anything to argue about... :-) ... A couple of other posts to that effect... :-)


Certainly the State of Hawaii has the ability, the expertise, and in many cases, the "request" (by many people) -- to make legal statements as they have made and do so in many different cases. States do that all the time. I've see that happen plenty of times for different legal issues. It gets run by their lawyers, they determine the legal status of something and they make a pronouncement.

I don't know where you've been but it goes on probably every day with states all over this country (one or the other or various ones on any day...)

At the same time, if a legal statement that a state has made is something that some people don't like, they can (and do) challenge those in a court of law.

But, I've said all along if you want a "settling of the issue" of Obama's qualifications per the Constitution and in regards to his parents' citizenship, the only settling of this is going to be by the Supreme Court.

However, that -- in no way, shape or form, prevents any state from making legal pronouncements, officially, on behalf of the state, no matter if someone wants to take something to the Supreme Court.


The State of Hawaii hires lawyers too, you know... :-) You can bet that the State of Hawaii lawyers would not have the state make an official statement without having the legal backing to say so. I can be confident of that, with the fact that all the states have a team of lawyers for examining any subject that the state deal with.

What this means to me, is that there are lawyers who are going to examine "official pronouncements" of any state to the public and they're not going to let something in there that is a lie (from the state records) and is legally unsupportable.

And speaking from the position of non-lawyers, there are conservatives who do not think that this is relevant to the Constitutional issue of Obama being qualified, i.e., that natural born status, per the parents citizenship, and it affecting Obama, having been born in Hawaii.

That's obviousl since we've got all the Republicans and the Republican candidate, plus the President of the United States and the Vice President of the United States (Bush and Cheney) -- none of them raising this issue as relevant in Obama's qualifications under the Constitution.

85 posted on 01/11/2010 2:23:42 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: chris37
It sounds to me like you don't like her

I don't. I think she's a nut.

Obama could do much worse than to have hired her to put a clown's face on the whole issue.

I suggest you sit down and STFU

No, I don't think so.

Is that a problem for you?

Yes.

86 posted on 01/11/2010 2:24:19 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: ASA Vet

b.t.w. A British citizen living in the states is still entitled to not only a British passport, but also is entitled to vote in British and EU elections (just to name a few). That presents a problem.


87 posted on 01/11/2010 2:24:22 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: chris37

You know Taitz’s legal ineptitude has given some of our soldiers who trusted her, major career problems due to her lack of legal knowledge and irresponsible hysterics. But I guess what else can you expect from someone who is hustling donations on her website using credit cards and Paypal!


88 posted on 01/11/2010 2:25:23 PM PST by 4FreeSpeach
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To: Star Traveler
Her declaration would not hold up in a court of law and you know that.
89 posted on 01/11/2010 2:27:40 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Star Traveler
I guess we'll see when a court asks him to do that...

Everyone else has no problem in showing their birth certificate and who do not need the court to order them to do so, except if you're Barack Obama.

90 posted on 01/11/2010 2:28:02 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: 4FreeSpeach

That’s too bad, but it doesn’t justify humblegunner’s personal insults toward her.


91 posted on 01/11/2010 2:29:03 PM PST by chris37
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To: RonF
my kid had to show his birth certificate to join a soccer team when he was 6

A Certificate of Live Birth would have sufficed.
92 posted on 01/11/2010 2:29:19 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: Red Steel

Orly said, “fine, let’s move the case.” She is asking Judge Carter to move the case to Judge Lamberth’s court in DC. This would serve to best expedite the case, including discovery.


I thought Judge Carter dismissed the case based upon lack of standing. Thus how does he have a case before him to move?

Wouldn’t Taitz need to file a case in DC if that is the court where she wants it heard?


93 posted on 01/11/2010 2:30:07 PM PST by deport (50 DAYS UNTIL THE TEXAS PRIMARY....... MARCH 2, 2010)
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To: Red Steel
You were saying ...

I'm not distorting anything she says other than it was carefully parsed statement giving her wiggle room.

It sounds pretty plain, direct, to the point and comprehensive to me -- in addressing the issue of where Obama was born and if he is a natural born American citizen.

When the State of Hawaii says that Obama was born in Hawaii, I see no "wiggle room" to later be able to show that he wasn't born in Hawaii from that statement... LOL...

And when the State of Hawaii says that Obama is a natural born American citizen -- I see no "wiggle room" to get out of him being that -- from their statement.

In other words, if later on someone shows Obama was not born in Hawaii and shows that he was not a natural born American citizen... there's no way that one could come back to this statement and say,

"See right here, you didn't read that word right, and while we said he was born in Hawaii, you didn't understand that we really didn't mean it and when we said that he was a natural born American citizen, we really didn't mean it!"

Now that's getting pretty silly! LOL....

94 posted on 01/11/2010 2:30:13 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Red Steel
You were saying ...

Everyone else has no problem in showing their birth certificate and who do not need the court to order them to do so, except if you're Barack Obama.

If there were a law that required candidates for President to show their birth certificates, then I'm sure all our candidates in the past would have shown them. But, unfortunately there is no legal requirement for a candidate to show his birth certificate.

And hence, that's a good reason for getting that state law going in several states that require any candidate to show their birth certificate or else they cannot be placed on the ballot in that state.

95 posted on 01/11/2010 2:33:26 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Red Steel

btt


96 posted on 01/11/2010 2:36:24 PM PST by opentalk
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To: rxsid
You were saying ...

Her declaration would not hold up in a court of law and you know that.

What court of law has even asked (or ordered) a birth certificate in the first place, from Obama... LOL...

And no, I think if anyone were called upon to verify those records, from her department, and what they have from the State of Hawaii, it would be the head of the department for the State of Hawaii who is charged with producing a certified copy of such a record in the first place. That's the very person who made the official statement from the State of Hawaii.

No..., she would be precisely the person to testify in such a case... there's no other department that can produce a certified copy of the birth certificate (anywhere in the world) and there is no other "head of department" (anywhere in the world) that oversees those records which prove that Obama was born in Hawaii.

97 posted on 01/11/2010 2:39:13 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: All

JB Williams
Canada Free Press

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

(snip)
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama does NOT meet Article II – Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

(snip)
But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.

(snip)
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.

(Snip)
Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.

(Snip)
WHO WILL SAVE FREEDOM?
A brave few… This is how it was in the beginning, how it has always been and how it will be.

(Snip)
DR. ORLY TAITZ, Phil Berg and Gary Kreep, ALL OF WHOM HAVE MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP.

(Snip)
A PRECIOUS FEW, BUT THEY EXIST… and the walls are indeed closing in on Obama and his evil cabal. IF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FAIL TO GET BEHIND THESE BRAVE FEW WHO ARE SEEKING PEACEFUL REDRESS, ALL THE PEACEFUL OPTIONS WILL EVAPORATE AS IF THEY NEVER EXISTED. WE WILL RETURN TO A PRE-1776 AMERICA OVERNIGHT..

Do YOU fear Obama?
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

___________________________________

A precious few, indeed. Lets get behind those few brave patriots who are out there in the trenches every day working to prove Obama’s inelgibility:

Dr. Orly has put her life’s blood into this fight. SHE HAS MADE DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION AND THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE A PERSONAL AMBITION, IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY CONSTITUTION LEADERSHIP FROM COWARDLY REPUBLICANS AND THE SCOTUS.

Dr. Orly is the ONLY one out there in the trenches EVERY day hitting Obama on multiple fronts and trying to bring him down. It is reported that she is more than $8,000 in debt from using her own funds for expenses in her flights across the U.S for interviews, speeches, serving papers and meeting with officials.

She has even gone to Isreal and Russia to spread the message about Obama’s inelgibility!

She states the case expertly, including the bc and natural born citizen aspect, when not abused by the U.S. state-controlled media. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132880

Sure, Dr. Orly makes mistakes. We all do. But Dr. Orly is no dummy. How many of us could go to a foreign country, learn 5 languages, establish a successful dental practice, a successful real estate business AND pass the California state bar- one of the hardest in the U.S. to pass?
She may be a ‘mail order’ attorney and not a Harvard lawyer, but she IS an attorney with all the rights and privilages of a Harvard lawyer nevertheless!
The point is; she has the passion, the zeal, the courage of her convictions and the love of America and its freedoms (unlike many of our ‘great’ attorneys and ‘patriots’ who criticize her) that will not let her give up!
She is exhausted. She is nervous. She is frustrated. It is reported that she gets by on 4-5 hours of sleep per night, and her family is very worried about her health- as well as her safety.
She makes mistakes. But she will NOT give up. She will keep on until she gets it right.

So let’s get behind this great little Russian refugee and great American patriot.
Stop tearing her apart. The Obots on FR don’t need our help.
The obots are scared to death of this little lady and her determination. That’s why they come out in droves all over the net on forums, chat rooms and even the national news to attack and ridicule.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcChG5pRTOE&feature=player_embedded


98 posted on 01/11/2010 2:41:18 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: humblegunner
"I don't. I think she's a nut."

Your above statement would then indicate that your below statement was a bit of an obfuscation.

If I think she is headed down a dead end road, then I'll say so.

Obama could do much worse than to have hired her to put a clown's face on the whole issue.

We will just have to wait and see how it all plays out, won't we? DESPITE THE FACT that Obama has admitted his dad was a british citizen at the time of his (Obama's) birth, which disqualifies him of the natural born citizen status REQUIRED by the constitution, he is also going to have to keep all of his records secret for the rest of his life and beyond, lest everything he has done, is doing, or will do be declared illegal.

I don't think Orly is ever going to stop, do you?

No, I don't think so.

To be honest, I didn't expect that you would have enough class to do anything other than throw stones from your little, anonymous corner, cowardlygunner.

Yes.

Good.

99 posted on 01/11/2010 2:42:57 PM PST by chris37
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To: Star Traveler

She has no authority to make such a declaration, therefore it’s meaningless.


100 posted on 01/11/2010 2:45:45 PM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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