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Cheney supports repealing 'Don't ask, don't tell'(Open Gays in the Military)
The Hill ^ | 2/14/2010 | Eric Zimmermann -

Posted on 02/14/2010 5:24:07 PM PST by Brices Crossroads

Former Vice President Dick Cheney came out in favor of repealing "Don't ask, don't tell," (DADT) today.

Cheney said that the support of military leaders had convinced him that it was time for a change.

"Twenty years ago the military were strong advocates of 'Don't ask, don't tell.' I think things have change significantly since then," Cheney said on ABC's "This Week."

I think that society has moved on. It's partly a generational question," he continued. "When the [Joint] Chiefs come forward and say 'we think we can do it,' is strikes me that it's time to reconsider the policy."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cheney; dadt; dickcheney; dontask; dontaskdonttell; duh; gays; homosexualagenda; military; obama
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To: Polybius

exactly my point

if they can be open then they will make remarks, suggestions crude comments and even approach.

How is a guy who is straight supposed to deal with another guy who is doing this openly and maybe the officer is even a open homosexual?

we all know this is a step for them to say they should be married and get kids.

just another step around to further their agenda


61 posted on 02/14/2010 6:23:57 PM PST by manc (WILL OBAMA EVER GO TO CHURCH ON A SUNDAY OR WILL HE LET THE MEDIA/THE LEFT BE FOOLED FOR EVER)
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To: Brices Crossroads

Actually he said that he wouldn’t second guess the military leadership and that if they think it’s possible to do and not harm the mission he is ok with that. He also called it a generational issue. I’m not for it but kids today are. The problems are coming though when a gay soldier complains that he’s being asked to do too much and is discriminated against.


63 posted on 02/14/2010 6:33:41 PM PST by byteback
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To: manc

I hear what you’re saying. This is about demoralizing and unstabilizing the military just as the left has done by their gay pride celebrations, their vitriolic attacks on the Catholic Church and Boy Scouts, marriage, etc.

It is opening the door to having discrimination lawsuits left and right when some flaming homosexual makes a pass at a marine in the shower. Gay or straight, someone makes an unsolicited pass at me, I don’t like it and I don’t tolerate it.

Have a friend who is gay. He smokes pot on a regular basis, engages in promiscuos encounters with both men and women, and loves to shock people with classless sexual remarks about his lifestyle. I don’t know any heterosexuals who do that.


64 posted on 02/14/2010 6:39:31 PM PST by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: manc
exactly my point if they can be open then they will make remarks, suggestions crude comments and even approach. How is a guy who is straight supposed to deal with another guy who is doing this openly and maybe the officer is even a open homosexual?

How is a guy that is straight supposed to deal with a gay that is in the closet?

You don't think closet gays make passes?

At least if you know which way they lean, you can give them a wide berth.

As to officers, it is the same as a male straight officer having straight females under his command. One sure way to have your military career come to a screeching halt is to try to fraternize with a subordinate under your command.

we all know this is a step for them to say they should be married and get kids. just another step around to further their agenda

My point is that they are ALREADY in the military and have been, legally, since the early 1990's.

My preference is to know so I can be at the other end of the shower room.

If you are in a common military shower full of naked guys, would your preference would be:

A. Know that the naked guy right next to you is gay so you can go to the other end of the room.

B. Not know if the naked guy right next to you is gay so you can wonder.

65 posted on 02/14/2010 6:40:29 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Perdogg

This is a bad one, not just a RINO but its mud wallow hole along with it.


66 posted on 02/14/2010 6:44:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Polybius

Unless there’s a rule that all gays must congregate at the east end of shower rooms, this is silly.


67 posted on 02/14/2010 6:46:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Polybius

Oh, and who says they’re going to advertise their “availability” to the whole squad? You still might not know.


68 posted on 02/14/2010 6:48:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Brices Crossroads

Sad day in the Republic when even supposed conservatives back stupidity like this


69 posted on 02/14/2010 6:49:22 PM PST by uncbob
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To: Polybius

Gay “integration” will be implemented according to a Obama liberal Democrat model. Your relief in knowing who the gays are (so you can avoid them in the showers) will be more than offset by the special privileges and protections accorded to gays, the endless touchy feelly indoctrination sessions you’ll be forced to attend, and the abrupt curtailment of your promotion chances if you don’t enthusiastically get with the program.


70 posted on 02/14/2010 6:49:31 PM PST by behzinlea
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
So, if we enforce the rules against anyone acting out sexually( male or female) and throw out anyone who does NOT act appropriately. how would this be different than what we have now?

Two ways come to mind. (1) "Don't tell" requires that a service member hide his or her orientation, and pressures them into deceiving others. It is immoral to pressure someone into committing deceit. (B) Because an openly homosexual is discharged, all homosexuals must remain closeted. This creates a blackmail risk--a foreign intelligence service may take pictures of a closeted homosexual and threaten to release them unless the service member becomes that service's agent. The service member discloses this to his command and is discharged, or he starts working for the adversary. Either way we have lost him.

Allowing homosexuals to serve openly solves the ethical dilemma and removes the threat of blackmail. So that's two benefits right there.

71 posted on 02/14/2010 6:49:32 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Brices Crossroads

I would imagine that most of the people who agree with Cheney on this position would never support him if were young enough to become a presidential candidate. I guess Cheney is a “Robert Gates Republican.”


72 posted on 02/14/2010 6:52:35 PM PST by Theodore R. (...)
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To: Caesar Soze
Argue the other side. What unintended adverse consequences will occur? Don't say you don't know. You've already prophesied it will be wonderful on at least two counts. Now think critically about adverse consequences.

Let's hear them.

73 posted on 02/14/2010 6:52:58 PM PST by behzinlea
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To: uncbob

“Supposed conservatives” — that’s what 90 percent of them are!


74 posted on 02/14/2010 6:54:28 PM PST by Theodore R. (...)
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To: Brices Crossroads
"When the [Joint] Chiefs come forward and say 'we think we can do it,' is strikes me that it's time to reconsider the policy."

The Joint Chiefs are political animals and work directly with the current president. Ask the middle rank officers and enlisted.

75 posted on 02/14/2010 6:57:43 PM PST by Will88
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To: Brices Crossroads
Cheney:"I think things have changed significantly since then"

So what's changed?

Shaliksashvili:"Our military has been stretched thin by our deployments in the Middle East, and we must welcome the service of any American who is willing and able to do the job."

In short they need more warm bodies -- any bodies, gay, straight, whatever, just more.

76 posted on 02/14/2010 6:57:47 PM PST by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Brices Crossroads
DADT works just fine as is. Those who want to serve manage to do so and live their private lives privately.

The only reason to change the policy is to do a bit of social engineering in the military. Dick is into social engineering because of his daughter.

There is no rationale for changing the policy, the only acceptable rationale would be to increase unit cohesion and discipline. I have seen no such argument put forth by anybody and Dick Cheney didn't make one today.

77 posted on 02/14/2010 6:57:50 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Caesar Soze

“No comment” is deceit?


78 posted on 02/14/2010 6:58:04 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Bokababe

If they wanted to create a modern “black sheep squadron” of gays and don’t-cares, I’d hold my nose but say go ahead and do it if you must. It’s when they are mixed with those who are definitely not don’t-cares that the trouble happens. You have de facto sexual harassment of the straights.


79 posted on 02/14/2010 7:00:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Bokababe
In short they need more warm bodies -- any bodies, gay, straight, whatever, just more.

The backbone of our military forces is, and has always been, socially conservative Scots-Irish males from the South. How do you think this sort of social experimentation will affect their willingness to stay in the military?

80 posted on 02/14/2010 7:04:45 PM PST by behzinlea
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