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Mark Levin: I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he
Mark Levin Fan ^ | February 21, 2010 | Mark R. Levin

Posted on 02/21/2010 1:14:06 PM PST by Sergeant Tim

I was invited to be the opening speaker at Saturday's CPAC session. I had accepted but then, to my amazement, I learned that the John Birch Society would be one of many co-sponsors. This takes the big-tent idea many steps too far for me. So, I withdrew. Apparently, others were not so moved. That's fine. But it wasn't for me. Bill Buckley and Barry Goldwater, among others, chased the Birchers from the movement decades ago. And they're not a part of the movement. So, to give them a booth at CPAC was boneheaded.

I want to commend Bill Bennett for his wise piece this morning on the Corner. I agree with him.

I have no idea what philosophy Glenn Beck is promoting. And neither does he. It's incoherent. One day it's populist, the next it's libertarian bordering on anarchy, next it's conservative but not really, etc. And to what end? I believe he has announced that he is no longer going to endorse candidates because our problems are bigger than politics. Well, of course, our problems are not easily dissected into categories, but to reject politics is to reject the manner in which we try to organize ourselves. This is as old as Plato and Aristotle. Why would conservatives choose to surrender the political battlefield to our adversaries -- who are trashing this society -- when we must retake it in order to preserve our society? Philosophy, politics, culture, family, etc., are all of one. Edmund Burke, among others, wrote about it extensively, and far better that I possibly can. But all elements of the civil society require our defense. Besides, why preach such a strategy when conservatism is on the rise and the GOP is acting more responsibly?

Moreover, when he does discuss politics, which, ironically, is often, how can he claim today that there is no difference between the two parties when, but for the Republicans in Congress, government-run health care, cap-and-trade, card check, and a long list of other disastrous policies would already be law? The GOP is becoming more conservative thanks to the grass-roots movement and a political uprising across the country, which has even reached into New Jersey and Massachusetts. Why keep pretending otherwise? My only conclusion is that he is promoting a third party or some third way, which is counter-productive to defeating Obama and the Democrat Congress. These are perilous times and this kind of an approach will keep the statists in power for decades.

And what of his flirtations with Ron Paul's lunacy respecting America's supposed provocations with her enemies, including al-Qaeda? Why should such a fatal defect in thinking be ignored? Do we conservatives agree with this?

Finally, Beck is fond of congratulating himself for being the only or the first host to criticize George Bush's spending. This is demonstrably false. I not only attacked his spending, but the creation of the Homeland Security Department, the prescription drug add-on for Medicare, his "moderate" tax cuts, as well as his nomination of Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, "comprehensive immigration reform," and so forth. And I was not alone -- Rush and Sean did the same, for example. And as someone who fought liberal Republicans in the trenches when campaigning for Reagan in 1976 and 1980, I don't need lectures from Beck, who was nowhere to be found, about big-spending Republicans. But this is not about me, or Beck, or Beck's past drunkenness (which he endlessly wears as some kind of badge of honor). It is about preserving our society for our children and grandchildren. Beck spent precious little time aiming fire at Obama-Pelosi-Reid in his speech, and it is they who are destroying our country.

On as a positive note, I am personally happy to see that Beck has cleaned up his public act -- as best I can tell, no more boiling fake frogs on TV or pretending to pour gasoline on someone -- and the rest of it. But I do think his speech, which contained nuggets of truth heard before and read elsewhere, including on Rush's show and in my book and many other books, may have distracted from some of the more compelling and coherent speeches at the event, including Marco Rubio's superb speech. I fear the media will see to this. I hope not.


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To: restornu

I agree that Beck is great entertainment plus deep information. But if he wants to attack his base, alienation is inevitable. I hope he can strip away some independents, but this year — the indies are already upset with Obama. I don’t understand the strategy.

Beck has the potential to follow in Rush’s footsteps and go beyond. He’s the most talented entertainer on the radio, and he studies enough to earn everyone’s respect.

Beck is short changing himself, and I think it is foolish.


961 posted on 02/22/2010 2:14:23 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Farah: "If [certifigate]'s been settled show us the birth certificate. Simple.")
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To: reaganaut

I would put Coulter as a professor and galdangit, Hannity deserves to be something better than star student, because I’m a star student:)


962 posted on 02/22/2010 2:25:04 AM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: StopObama2012
However, Levin does seem concerned that Beck could lead a wide audience down the “third party” path, or cause some other fragmentation. This is a real concern — addressed frequently by Rush, and now by Levin.

I don't get why everyone thinks the Tea Parties are going to result in a third party when every indicator points to Ron Paul and the Paulistinians. He was practically a third party candidate running as a Republican.

His followers have reached the level of a cult. While I'm very encouraged by the number of young people at CPAC, they love Ron Paul, and a lot of them think like Meghan McCain and want the social issues dropped from the platform.

As many of the wiser speakers pointed out, you cannot separate social issues from economics and economics drives foreign policy. They are far more likely to make an emotional break from the GOP over legalizing gay marriage and pot than we level headed mortgage paying Tea Partiers.

963 posted on 02/22/2010 2:32:29 AM PST by athelass (Proud Mom of a Sailor & 2 Marines! The Statist never gives up, and neither do we - Mark Levin)
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To: restornu
Spare me the poor me, crybaby, I'm not good enough, blithering weeping self absorption, other people are luckier than me crap that Beck is 'raised in the ruff.'

sheesh

964 posted on 02/22/2010 2:35:31 AM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: Brugmansian

well said.


965 posted on 02/22/2010 2:37:20 AM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

It is a very sad thing when people idolize a person who is not worthy of the trouble. To be sure, idolizing one man is a sickness shared by two distinct types. Ron Paul followers and Beck fans.


966 posted on 02/22/2010 2:39:59 AM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: athelass
His followers have reached the level of a cult. While I'm very encouraged by the number of young people at CPAC, they love Ron Paul, and a lot of them think like Meghan McCain and want the social issues dropped from the platform. And a lot of them are peaceniks and a lot of them are a little too interested in automatic weapons, I also heard one laugh about stealing computers from the opposition. They are an amalgamation of ne'er do wells and hard heads.
967 posted on 02/22/2010 2:46:08 AM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: ohioWfan
The absurdity of holding both parties equally responsible is shattered in those few words.

But we MUST hold both parties equally responsible. They measure themselves against each other. We must require them to measure themselves against the Consitution.

We are only as strong as our competition requires us to be. That's why we need two strong healthy parties.

We must hold ourselves responsible also, because we have neglected our duty as citizens. We folks don't take an oath to protect and defend, but we must still do so.

969 posted on 02/22/2010 3:16:08 AM PST by athelass (Proud Mom of a Sailor & 2 Marines! The Statist never gives up, and neither do we - Mark Levin)
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To: wolf24
I am not obsessed with him, I am in love with my country and he is threatening, with is bumbling-no sense of direction and his sloppy turn of phrase, to wreak havoc on the November elections. Think much? Doubt it.

take your condescension and shove it

970 posted on 02/22/2010 3:26:36 AM PST by jenk (REMEMBER MASSACHUSETTS!!)
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To: samtheman

Well said, Sam!


971 posted on 02/22/2010 4:06:16 AM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: Sergeant Tim
Where to begin? Have you listened to Levin go off on Cass Sunstein? He has been hammering him for years. Levin has tangled with him forever. I don’t recall the exact date but Beck lifted Levin’s entire attack on Sunstein from Levin, including from his chapter on the Constitution. Sunstein has written tons of articles and several books Amazing how Beck dug put exactly the same paragraph Levin cites. Which brings me to the 2nd Bill of Rights. When did Beck first uncover that? Levin has been playing that FDR audio for years. Again it’s in his book. You Beckers (no pun intended) won’t be convinced though. I could go on and on but it won’t matter to the Beckers.

I'll take you at your word that Levin has been hammering on these subjects for years? How does that prove that Beck "stole" from Levin? Does Levin own a "copyright" on these subjects and the incriminating evidence to support them? Weaksauce. I seriously doubt Levin got that information from his own original research.

Beck has stolen blatantly from bloggers, including Breitbart, until Breitbart protested.

Right, Breitbart was so pissed about Glenn stealing his material that he embargoed Beck's show. Oh wait, he was just on it a week or so ago. Next...

Beck’s book Commom Sense is a direct rip off of Thomas Paine. Most of the book is Thomas Paine’s Common Sense.

He pretty much admitted it was a "remix" of Common Sense for today. Boy, you got 'em there!

His Christmas Sweater book is a direct rip off of a book series of the same kind.

I didn't buy the Christmas Sweater, but he talked about the damn thing enough on his show that I know that it was an accounting of a story from his childhood. That's a rip-off of the other popular Christmas books? Huh. Who knew.

I don't care if people criticize Beck on his style or if he makes factual mistakes, etc., but you Levin fans are so far up his colon it's ridiculous what kind of contortions of logic you will come up with to slam Beck. BTW, I've never heard him run down Levin once. Let's face it, Levin comes across as a whiny little girl with his panties in a twist when he rants about Beck.

972 posted on 02/22/2010 4:08:42 AM PST by thecabal (Destroy Progressivism)
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To: Wingy

Good analysis.


973 posted on 02/22/2010 4:10:36 AM PST by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: reaganaut
Sounds paranoid.

Sounds??

974 posted on 02/22/2010 4:26:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SoCalPol
Google is a left wing site.
The left pays people to sit for hours and keep googling left wing sites on topics as they are bumped to the top with more hits.

HuH?

It would be MUCH easier to merely change the CODE from:
Hit_Count=Hit_Count+1 to:
Hit_Count=Hit_Count+2
when accessing left-wing sites. Hit_Count

975 posted on 02/22/2010 4:31:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BuckyKat

I keep listening to Beck for signs that success is getting to him. Afterall...his success has been huge, his touch golden.

I do believe it’s starting to show.


976 posted on 02/22/2010 4:32:09 AM PST by chiller ( ALMOST SPEECHLESS)
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To: restornu; aMorePerfectUnion; Godzilla; SZonian; Tennessee Nana; colorcountry; greyfoxx39
Just for kick I looked up Mondale and that is when I also saw an article on the History of the Progressives and the Bull Moose Party also how Wisconsin was involved in this progressive’s movement Progressive Party (United States, 1912)

So THIS is where you found your cute little word - PROGRESSIVES - that you hurl against anyone who is not MORMON?

977 posted on 02/22/2010 4:35:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu; reaganaut
You seem to venting every where you go I wonder why?
978 posted on 02/22/2010 4:37:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
 

Gosh so you hate the Mormons...

 

...Posters be afraid be very very afriad!



http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,
“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”
 
 
And, continuing thru the years, the high ranking leaders of that Organization have done the same!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

 
 

979 posted on 02/22/2010 4:38:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sloop
it is also interesting that ‘questioning with boldness’ is wonderful to the becktardz, unless you question beck

It works the same way with a certain MORMON that is in this thread; too.

980 posted on 02/22/2010 4:41:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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