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New government entity to take control over military and civilian networks
Tech 1984 ^ | 5/31/10 | Tech 1984

Posted on 06/07/2010 9:29:58 PM PDT by oc-flyfish

This is pretty scary stuff. The Federal government is ready to seize control of private company networks in order to "protect" us in the event of a hacker attack.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: civilliberties; communication; constitution; cybercom; emergencyprep; hugoland; socialistblitzkrieg
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To: Elderberry

Yeah, when you’re spreading that much power around, somebody is bound to notice (and triangulate).


101 posted on 06/08/2010 7:11:23 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: LibLieSlayer
LLS, they didn't confiscate, they just asked folks to quit transmitting, and folks by and large abided by the request.

My F-I-L was a ham at the time. Of course, they drafted him and put him in the Signal Corps . . . !

102 posted on 06/08/2010 7:12:34 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Joe 6-pack

Good one! :)


103 posted on 06/08/2010 7:20:27 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: oc-flyfish; rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; GodGunsandGuts; CyberCowboy777; Salo; Bobsat; JosephW; ...

104 posted on 06/08/2010 7:20:28 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Gondring

Oh no, you have found me out!/s/


105 posted on 06/08/2010 7:21:36 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Thidwick
Is this the point in which I procure one of those tinfoil hats I’ve read about?

Yes. Now. Before they take control of the tinfoil supply.

106 posted on 06/08/2010 7:36:52 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 501 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: oc-flyfish

Should the United States be prepared to fight on all battlefields?


107 posted on 06/08/2010 7:40:26 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: MestaMachine
I am working on telepathy.,,

I knew that.

108 posted on 06/08/2010 7:43:08 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 502 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: oc-flyfish; _Jim
They would control the utilities as they are part of the critical infrastucture. Scary, eh?

Naaaahhh, once they develop the methods to shut down a city's entire water (or power) supply with a few keystrokes, we'll all be much safer.

I mean our "betters" would never do it, and no one else will ever be able to steal the keys...

109 posted on 06/08/2010 7:47:27 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 502 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Kimberly GG
That I don't know. But keep in mind: “Fives and ‘V's.
(Should our enemies ever get bold enough ... to carry out their fantasies)
110 posted on 06/08/2010 7:49:28 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating Heart)
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To: 1951Boomer
Wonder who they have lined up to play the part of Tokyo Rose?

Tokyo Rosie O'Donnell...

111 posted on 06/08/2010 7:53:19 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 502 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: meyer
Does the marine radio band require a special license?

Only if you are using it legally.

112 posted on 06/08/2010 7:55:10 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 502 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: oc-flyfish

On the other hand, if some regular company has a network here, it’s been 0wn3d by the Chinese, and it’s being used to launch an attack against our military networks, our government sure as hell needs a legal means to tell that company to pull the plug NOW.

In “cyber warfare” this is the equivalent of the Chinese dropping an artillery piece in the company’s parking lot and starting firing. The government would be allowed to immediately intervene to stop that, so why not the above scenario?


113 posted on 06/08/2010 8:05:06 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: CutePuppy
I think the NSA has the ability to do all the scary things people are discussing in this thread. I believe they have had it for awhile. Imagine a limited cyper attack by the Chinese, think what that would do. No ATM, banks with no access to records, no police monitoring, limited 911 abilities etc..

We sound like the leftists who oppose the AZ law. Sure the AZ law does not allow profiling, but it opens the door to those evil police to abuse their power and profile (I paraphrase Alan Combs).

We need this, what everyone is afraid of, is the man who is running the country and the potential for him to abuse power. We need to neuter him in November. Of course, I mean that figuratively for the Secret Service, FBI or NSA types monitor FR. Damn now my paranoia is showing.

114 posted on 06/08/2010 8:11:48 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO
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To: US_MilitaryRules
When the SHTF you won’t need any stinking licenses.

Very good point.

In fact, some might say that having a license is akin to flagging your presence. Like a firearms license, if confiscation were the goal, they'd know where to start looking.

115 posted on 06/08/2010 8:12:06 AM PDT by meyer (Big government is the enemy of freedom.)
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To: Kimberly GG
LOL...all I could think of was messaging via ‘pony express’

Billions of riders, each carrying an IP packet.

Someone actually wrote a paper about using pigeons for that. They have high latency, but with advantages like a built-in collision avoidance system and not being restricted to line-of-sight transmission. See RFC 1149 ("IP over Avian Carriers") of the Internet Engineering Task Force.

Even worse, somebody actually implemented it, successfully sending an ICMP echo ("ping") request.

Not doing TCP/IP itself, but even better a pigeon won a transmission race vs. an ISP using DSL once, moving 4 GB of data 40 miles. The bird won using a 4 GB SD card.

116 posted on 06/08/2010 8:19:26 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: vanilla swirl
"If we are deprived of FR and other venues of free speech then the game is on anyway."

. . . and ALL that that entails.

All us law-abiding folks will definitely have some trouble re-establishing what is law and what isn't when it comes to an attack on liberty, freedom, and our lives. Yes, it'll be difficult recognizing that we are the only people obeying the law . . . to our own peril.

It is vital to know that when gummint breaks the law, they have suspended the rule of law and folks should act accordingly. How many times has gummint broke the laws? I cannot count. But we as a people subjected to those laws have failed to act in a timely and appropriate manner.

117 posted on 06/08/2010 8:21:01 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: OldGoatCPO

No sweat, shipmate.

You’re only paranoid if you really BELIEVE everybody’s out to get you.

Anyway, this old Airdale Chief has your six.


118 posted on 06/08/2010 8:22:50 AM PDT by Unrepentant VN Vet (956 and a wakeup)
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To: Greysard; Travis McGee
"Cloud computing" is a newly invented name for an old method where you store all your data on someone else's servers. This is the worst possible solution for anyone who values privacy. Also, those servers (there are just a few) can be ordered offline at any time, and then you have nothing.

For example, imagine that you use Google Groups for general discussion, Google Mail for direct communication and Google Documents for specific papers. All your data is on Google's servers, you have no locally saved copies (usually.) Now Google is offline, or your account is disabled (all of that happened several times already.) You are in trouble, isolated from your contacts and robbed of all your documents and messages.

An opposite example is FreeNet. This is an experimental network that is designed for storage of documents on multiple computers (like p2p.) No single computer holds everything, and nobody knows where the data is actually stored - the network is designed to ferret the data out, but it won't tell you where it found it. So an attacker has no easy way to disrupt the network.

Travis, this sounds like the kind of network some of your characters might need sometime. Analogous to what you were looking for for phones. This is something that would take a few people to set up and would only be useful if quite a few were using it, so it would only be a feasible story element in a scenario when a substantial number of people were leery of the government to that degree. But your books all have that covered. ;-)

119 posted on 06/08/2010 8:22:55 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Myrddin
Can you imagine having to wait 3 weeks to move 1 megabyte of data over a very lossy radio path? The modem data rate was only 1200 bps with lots of overhead to create the synchronous packets that carried the AX.25 UI frames that wrapped the IP datagrams.

Ok, I just read and understood this passage. I guess I'm a geek? :^)

120 posted on 06/08/2010 8:24:00 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Progressivism, Socialism, Marxism, Communism - it's all shades of black.)
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