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In Support of Westboro Baptist [Dr. Terry Jones "burn a Koran" supports Fred Phelps]
Dove World Outreach Center ^ | April 21, 2010

Posted on 09/07/2010 7:28:57 PM PDT by earlJam

Edited on 09/08/2010 2:27:45 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In Support of Westboro Baptist

By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

/snip

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.


Google cache of the Dove World article in support of Westboro Baptist Protests Against U.S. Military

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In Support of Westboro Baptist


By Fran Ingram - Posted on 21 April 2010

On Sunday April 18, Westboro Baptist Church came to Gainesville. One of their stops was a liberal "Open doors, open hearts, open minds," church near us, so we took part of our Sunday Service time and went as a church to stand with them.

We have also learned that when you speak out about what God hates, you will be hated. We do not agree with all of Westboro's methods, but we admire their determination to find radical ways to preach the truth of the Bible, as we do. Most churches and Pastors in America try to stand on neutral ground. They are lost, weak and sick and need to repent.

Senior Pastor Sylvia Jones wrote on facebook:

Today was a historical day! People who did not know each other with nothing in common but the word of God marching in unity and putting the kingdom first, ahead of everything else! What can be more important than saving people from hell? We must stand on the truth, the word of God instead on finding reasons why we cannot be in unity! Yes we can! We can obey God and save people from going to hell!

 

You can find more pictures on our facebook page here...

I have been asked most often in the last days about the 'protests' that Westboro does at funerals.

The arguemant (from very angry people with extremely ugly language) is that their attendance at funerals is offensive and a fallen soldier is NOT a sign of God's wrath.

My answer:

Westboro Baptist is not anti-military or anti-USA. Rather the opposite, actually. Do some research. They go to funerals because the Bible says that a fallen soldier is a sign of God's wrath and a reminder of the condition of this world, a fallen world, in sin. We all know that. None of us want to fight wars. We have to, and we honor the fallen for their sacrifice, but funerals are also a chance to repent and get our lives right with God before our own comes along.

The soldier who is already dead knows what's coming, whether they are in heaven or hell. I think they would be glad for the extra reminder to loved ones that they still have time to make a choice and use the rest of their time given here for God rather than wasting it, in a spiritual sense.

At DWOC we are also very pro-America, pro-Military, AND super, radically concerned about people's salvation. That's why we go after Islam and say it is of the devil - it is anti-Christian and anti-America. In this liberal world, names and labels get thrown about and twisted at random. Don't we all get angry with the media for preaching half truths which amount to lies?
To my Christian friends, get your Bibles out and read the OT Prophets. They were hated too for speaking God's words of truth, then killed. I would rather be right with God than right with facebook friends. Where are you?

And another answer:

If we lived in a sinless, no devil world, there would be no war. We have chosen sin, there are therefore wars, and we all suffer, we all need to repent. I'm OK with your thinking I am sick, but think about the fact that the Bible is what I am talking about, not my own ideas. Don't you think that a fallen soldier reflects some of what is wrong with the world? Not the soldier but the war itself?

What is the point of not making people angry and uncomfortable in this life if that means they go on, clueless, rebellious, straight to hell. I would have to answer to God for that. I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ and to stand with other Christians that preach it truthfully. Did the prophets and leaders in the Bible, even Jesus, did they always peach a nice sweet message? Did they always respect the sensibilities and traditions of the people? Think about it. Read your Bibles, people!

I have a Grandfather that died in WWII.  I am proud of his contribution to that war. But he and my family are Christian and eternal salvation is the most important thing on our hearts. We do not think Westboro are hateful. They point out what God hates, desperate, like the Prophets of old that no one go to hell.

Jesus said, in Matthew 7:13,14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

That narrow gate is a knowledge of the truth, a fear of God, Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross for your sins, repentance from our sins and wickedness, as we are warned throughout the Bible. This is the hope for you, the hope for your family, the hope for our Nation, for the world.

And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?

 



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To: Responsibility2nd
If the OP hadn't posted this, one of us back here would have posted it, that is if had we found it first. By the way...

Knock off the name calling personal attacks!

If you disagree with someone, address the issue and leave the personal attacks out.

61 posted on 09/07/2010 8:56:32 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Outlaw Woman

Well the courts have said that the phelps can do what they do as it’s a free speech issue. They are lawyers after all and know how to keep things just within the bounds of the law. I don’t agree with them at all but they continue because they keep getting attention. If they didn’t get the attention early on they would have quit doing this.

I would rather live in a country where the idiots like the phelps are free to do their thing and those who disagree with them can then go and counter protest. That is how free speech works here.

Islam doesn’t give us women free speech by the way. I posted a link to one of the things that the “holy” book allows which made me utterly sick and then angry. This evil religion allows the sick f’n perverted pedophiles to sodomize infants as long as there is no penetration. So please, let’s forget the Phelps and other stupid issues and focus on reality. This country is bending over backwards to kiss the feet of islam all the while this death cult is raping, pillaging and murdering people for not being muslim.


62 posted on 09/07/2010 9:00:48 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: dangerdoc
Phelps is a big DEM!!! That is the big secret that the media won’t report. Always was a DEM, always will be a DEM. He hates America, he’s an arrogant SOB and if he didn’t have a problem with homosexuals, he would still be in the DEM inner circles.

Thank you and the other posters here for the info. Man, I wasn't up to speed on this one! Media makes him sound like a right wing 'guns en bibles' guy who is 'just gonna burn some Korans'. The whole thing is probably a big setup. What are they hiding and why?

63 posted on 09/07/2010 9:01:45 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

Nope...I was responding to this:

“I know what the 1st amendment says. But speech, when it is from an enemy (domestic or foreign), & when it ‘incites’ is not guaranteed (the ‘yelling fire’ in a theatre scenario). We have people taking these lunatics seriously.”

Riddle me this....when is it “legal” to yell fire in a crowded theatre?


64 posted on 09/07/2010 9:02:48 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: earlJam

I will never support anybody who is in bed with the gang of idiots known as the Phelps family. I had a strange feeling about this “Pastor”, and this just confirmed it.


65 posted on 09/07/2010 9:04:38 PM PDT by richmwill
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To: earlJam
Somebody go rent a dunk tank. Looks like the “Christian community” has some new “geniuses” that need to get soaked.
66 posted on 09/07/2010 9:06:19 PM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: richmwill

I support the burning of the Koran as freedom of expression.

I dont care who does it...it’s being done to smoke out the so called “moderate” muslims...

More power to em...


67 posted on 09/07/2010 9:07:59 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Brad from Tennessee; bigbob; BIGLOOK; LUV W

“[And yes, if my husband died I would be glad if Westboro would come and hold their signs and sing at his funeral. Many people would be shocked, but they might be shocked into a fear of God and a decision for Christ. How will they know if someone does not tell them?]”

Pure hogwash.
If she had any brains, she would be apalled.

As a member of the Patriot Guard, I can tell you that these vermin to do not “hold up signs and sing”

They shout filth, and torment the families of the Fallen, and declare it their God given right to do so.

I have seen firsthand the sorrow and the heartache they inflict, and I tell you there is NOTHING God like about it.

This”pastor” and the Westboro Church are what I like to call the lunatic fringe.
They are truly insane.

Do they have a right to protest and hold up their atrocious signs?
Yes, they do.
However, just because you have the right to do something, doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.

I will never and I mean NEVER allow them to get close to the families of our Fallen.
That being said, the less attention we give these jerks, the better.
Rant off/


68 posted on 09/07/2010 9:08:22 PM PDT by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: Admin Moderator

If the OP hadn’t posted this, one of us back here would have posted it, that is if had we found it first.
__________________________________

Really?

One of you moderators would be used like an Obamabot tool to spread the dirt around in such a low life manner?

Can you not see this is just another lowdown way Obama, Holder and the White House is using Alinsky type methods to discredit the “bigots” and defend Islam?

Please - do not lose sight of what at issue here. This whack-job pastor has Obama, Holder and the rest of those goon by the you-know-whats and so they now have devised a plan to have conservatives squabbling about like children over some picky stupid details like how Dove Outreach and Fred Phelps are of the same mind.

Who cares?

Or do you think we should wuss out and not burn korans?


69 posted on 09/07/2010 9:08:44 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: earlJam

dON’T burn a Koran, use it for toilet paper......then burn it.

At least we allow a Koran to be in this Country. The Saudeeeees wouldn’t even let our soldier get pics of their wives during Gulf War.

Islam is like Mormonism before they changed their ways.....well except its one hundred times worse and we treat them one hundred time better......go figure.


70 posted on 09/07/2010 9:11:17 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: mnehring
"Maybe I’m over-thinking it.."

You're on target.

71 posted on 09/07/2010 9:12:19 PM PDT by ronnyquest (There's a communist living in the White House! Now, what are you going to do about it?)
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To: Biggirl
“While in the eyes of the law, the pastor who plans to do this Koran burning has the legal right, on the moral side of the question, should he do it?

I do know the answer.”

Someone who deliberately does something that harms our men and woman in uniform; and they know ahead of time it WILL harm them; needs to be held accountable for the results of their actions.

72 posted on 09/07/2010 9:13:04 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I aspire to a large carbon footprint; just like Al Gore's)
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To: Kansas58

Because he’s a ‘real life troll’. These people INTEND on corrupting Christianity.


73 posted on 09/07/2010 9:14:54 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I don't have a 'Cousin Pookie'.)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

I am sure that God does NOT approve of the hatefulness of
this “lunitic fringe group”. He is a God of love, not hate,
and He wouldn’t want to be represented by folks who are not
of the same mind. They belong to the devil, in my opinion....
posing themselves as “christians”.


74 posted on 09/07/2010 9:20:19 PM PDT by luvie (DIMs?......start packin'--you're fired!....I can see November from my house!)
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To: earlJam

Turning Christians against Christians. Now this is a novel approach toward worldwide domination by Islam.

I did learn from this exercise though. I learned Fran Ingram of DWOC likes this youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jhx_2TqffE&feature=youtu.be&a

I also learned the only thing DWOC shares with WBC is their Christian faith. Since DWOC honors our military. So any attempt to link them otherwise, might be from satan, or perhaps, the Whitehouse. Viewer discretion is advised.


75 posted on 09/07/2010 9:23:58 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (America's internal axis of evil: Islamist ,Socialist, Marxist ,RINOist.)
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To: takenoprisoner

They have linked themselves with Phelps and WBC- Satan didn’t do it. The White House didn’t do it.

And they are NOT Christians.


76 posted on 09/07/2010 9:27:50 PM PDT by earlJam
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To: LUV W

I am sure that God does NOT approve of the hatefulness of
this “lunitic fringe group”. He is a God of love, not hate,
and He wouldn’t want to be represented by folks who are not
of the same mind. They belong to the devil, in my opinion....
posing themselves as “christians”.


So YOU speak for God now?

Wouldnt it be a simple thing for God to simply strike them dead?

And if he doesnt....is that a sign of approval?

I’m a Christian...and I will be burning a Koran on 9/11 as an expression...it was written by a pedophile.


77 posted on 09/07/2010 9:32:19 PM PDT by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

I don’t presume to speak for God, but He has helped me to be
able to discern evil and to stay far from it....if I can. He
will deal with whom He chooses, HOW He chooses and WHEN He chooses.

You do what you want....I will do as I am taught in the Bible,
where I DID learn what God wants for me.


78 posted on 09/07/2010 9:40:50 PM PDT by luvie (DIMs?......start packin'--you're fired!....I can see November from my house!)
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To: Crim

Well to each his own. I’m still not clear what your point is or what you thought I meant. Flame away on someone else. Phelps is a despicable piece of crap and the 1st amendment does not give the right to trample over other’s rights. The point I was making about free speech and the 1st amendment was that it is not carte blanche to do anything or say anything at other peoples expense. It was designed to protect political speech and debate. Not to sink crosses in urnine, to run around nude in public, print obscenity or create problems at funerals.

The Constitution has been bastardized and citizens mistakenly believe the protection extends to every vile, disgusting type of behavior that surfaces. It doesn’t and it wasn’t intended that way.


79 posted on 09/07/2010 9:43:02 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Extremism in defense of Liberty is sometimes necessary...)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"One of you moderators would be used like an Obamabot tool to spread the dirt around in such a low life manner? Can you not see this is just another lowdown way Obama, Holder and the White House is using Alinsky type methods to discredit the “bigots” and defend Islam? Please - do not lose sight of what at issue here. This whack-job pastor has Obama, Holder and the rest of those goon by the you-know-whats and so they now have devised a plan to have conservatives squabbling about like children over some picky stupid details like how Dove Outreach and Fred Phelps are of the same mind. Who cares? Or do you think we should wuss out and not burn korans?"


General David Petraeus is boots on the ground while you're fiddling around playing keyboard cowboy.

The Patriot Guard as usual will be riding at the next military funeral. From your pro-Phelps commentary it sounds as if the Patriot Guard will find you standing up in support of Phelps and jeering at another fallen American hero and his family.

80 posted on 09/07/2010 9:45:14 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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