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George F. Will: Rev the scientific engine
Washington Post ^ | January 2, 2011 | George F. Will

Posted on 01/02/2011 12:11:23 PM PST by neverdem

New Republican legislators should come down Capitol Hill to the National Museum of American History, which displays a device that in 1849 was granted U.S. patent 6469. It enabled a boat's "draught of water to be readily lessened" so it could "pass over bars, or through shallow water."

The patentee was from Sangamon County, Ill. Across Constitution Avenue, over the Commerce Department's north entrance, are some words of the patentee, Abraham Lincoln:

THE PATENT SYSTEM ADDED

THE FUEL OF INTEREST

TO THE FIRE OF GENIUS

Stoking that fire is, more than ever, a proper federal function, so the legislators should be given some reading matter. One is William Rosen's book "The Most Powerful Idea in the World," a study of the culture of invention. Another is the National Academy of Sciences report "Rising Above the Gathering Storm, Revisited," an addendum to a 2005 report on declining support for science and engineering research.

Such research is what canals and roads once were - a prerequisite for long-term economic vitality. The first Republican president revered Henry Clay, whose "American System" stressed spending on such "internal improvements." Today, the prerequisites for economic dynamism are ideas. Deborah Wince-Smith of the...

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U.S. undergraduate institutions award 16 percent of their degrees in the natural sciences or engineering; South Korea and China award 38 percent and 47 percent, respectively. America ranks 27th among developed nations in the proportion of students receiving undergraduate degrees in science or engineering...

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An iconic conservative understood this. Margaret Thatcher, who studied chemistry as an Oxford undergraduate, said:

"Although basic science can have colossal economic rewards, they are totally unpredictable. And therefore the rewards cannot be judged by immediate results. Nevertheless, the value of [Michael] Faraday's work today must be higher than the capitalization of all shares on the stock exchange."...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abrahamlincoln; science; stem
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To: neverdem

Silly article. Economic nincompoops like George Will often have absolutely nothing to say, but their bread-and-butter requires them to fill up a page in a magazine, so they bluster about something.

How about this:

Quality, not quantity. Despite our “paltry” 16% in science and engineering, we get most of the Nobel Prizes in physics, chemistry, and medicine, and most of the world’s modern inventions — everything from the lightbulb to the computer — came from us.

How about this:

Despite their higher percentages, South Korea and China garner no Nobels in physics, chemistry, and medicine, and have contributed little in the way of innovation.

How about this:

The same idiocies used to be spouted by the George Wills of the world in the days of the former Soviet Union; i.e., “look at how many degrees in science and engineering they hand out; they will surely move ahead of us in science and technology!” The facts were these: (i) many bright students in the Soviet Union personally would have liked to go into one of the humanities — history, philosophy, economics, psychology, sociology, journalism — but DARED NOT DO SO, because those fields had been completely taken over by the State for the purposes of propaganda. If a historian or economist, for example, told the truth about Marxist history or Marxist economics, he would find himself in a gulag or a re-education camp. So many otherwise fine historians, economists, etc., went into the “hard” sciences and became mediocre engineers, physicists, and chemists, instead. They went into so-called “value-free” fields to keep themselves out of possible trouble with the political authorities. (ii) Despite the high number of students who became engineers and scientists, it didn’t help the Soviet Union; they still crashed and burned.

U.S. public education is completely screwed up, but it appears to be so across the board: it’s as screwed up in the quantitative sciences as much as it is in the social sciences, so the “paltry” 16% that somehow manage to tolerate the system and get through it to earn advanced degrees in science, probably represents exactly that proportion of the population that actually WANT to go into those subjects. There is absolutely no reason to force a greater number into a field that they have no gifts for.

George Will — like many ignorant journalists — doesn’t understand the idea of division-of-labor under conditions of freedom: everyone contributes, in his or her way, to the total economic health of the economy and therefore the country as a whole. The social sciences have as much to contribute to a country as the quantitative sciences do. And like everything else, it’s the quality of the contribution that counts, not the quantity.

I would hate to live in a country where a first-rate economist like Thomas Sowell was forced, for political reasons, to work as a third-rate engineer.


21 posted on 01/02/2011 1:04:34 PM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: okie01
As a rule, "better products" are the realm of the small business and the entrepreneur. Large "Wall Street corporations" have never been leaders in innovation -- nor will they ever likely be. The culture just won't allow it.

This is an interesting subject. I want to believe what you say but there are so many exceptions. IBM has the most number of patents of any corporation (I've heard but can't confirm). Have they been able to bring products to market? Doesn't seem like it- at least for the last few decades. But what about the iphone and Apple? Apple is a large corporation and has been for nearly 25 years. There are many innovations coming out of the petrochemical and chemical industries and these are not ma and pa organizations? So it's a crazy mixed bag. I wish I understood it better.
22 posted on 01/02/2011 1:05:03 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: truthguy
Unfortunately they are too busy exercising ingenuity in deriving new types of derivatives to give any thought to bringing actual breakthrough inventions to market and thus, in the past two years, have been surpassed in this regard by the City of London.

Our world economic leadership was created by our once unmatched ability to bring new breakthrough technology to market and is unlikely to survive if we do not restore that capability.

See The real cost of Enron.

23 posted on 01/02/2011 1:05:30 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: neverdem

All of the official institutions of “science”, such as the National Academy of Sciences, have been taken over by religious crackpots styling themselves as “climatologists”.
Giving them any more money is not a wise idea.

As I recall Nikola Tesla didn’t revolutionize our world with the help of tax money, he did it with risk capital from an entrepreneur named George Westinghouse.

Government is the problem, not the solution!


24 posted on 01/02/2011 1:05:50 PM PST by devere
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To: Lloyd227

” and protect his idea for commercialization, then to be allowed to actually keep the majority of profit from his idea “

No invention or idea - even if it’s world-changing - will bring our Nation out of its doldrums, as long as the only way it can be commercialized is to be manufactured overseas...

Abolish the anti-comptetitive regulatory alphabet agencies (and their underlying laws), and rationalize the taxation environment which rewards the entrenched and punishes the innovative - and then, maybe, we might breathe some life back in to the economy of this once-great Nation....


25 posted on 01/02/2011 1:07:08 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: GoodDay

How long until Thomas Sowell’s job is outsourced?


26 posted on 01/02/2011 1:08:02 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: DManA
Will and others like him still cling to the belief that big government can do good things, that it just needs to be better directed.

Poor old George is someone, I'm sure, who thinks that government is a refuge for the nice. Unlike in the private sector (according to commonplace), nice guys with good ideas finish first in government: that's what he almost surely believes.

Granted that I myself am questionable on this count, but there's a fine line between "above it all" and "out of it." Poor George doesn't seem to realize that the fedral government is a refuge for blamers. If you chance upon a bureaucrat who seems to be monumentally stupid, best odds are you bumped into one who washes his/her hands with Blameum soap and considers then clean.

27 posted on 01/02/2011 1:11:33 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: truthguy

The rot is well-established in even our so-called ‘elite’ institutions - talk to any recent graduate/student at Cal Tech, MIT, Carnegie Mellon, etc. and listen to their sincere belief in and babble about “Green’ energy, etc. you get Sesame street logic wrapped in big words. When an MIT graduate level degreed ME claims the internal combustion engine was one of man’s (this was several years ago) most damaging inventions - you are NOT talking to anyone who understands engineering.


28 posted on 01/02/2011 1:13:47 PM PST by NHResident
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To: truthguy

The rot is well-established in even our so-called ‘elite’ institutions - talk to any recent graduate/student at Cal Tech, MIT, Carnegie Mellon, etc. and listen to their sincere belief in and babble about ‘Sreen’ energy, etc. you get Sesame Street logic wrapped in big words. When an MIT graduate level degreed ME claims the internal combustion engine was one of man’s (this was several years ago) most damaging inventions - you are NOT talking to anyone who understands engineering.


29 posted on 01/02/2011 1:14:31 PM PST by NHResident
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To: truthguy
As you noted, IBMs innovation is behind it. It passed from the hands of the founding entrepreneurs and original engineers into the hands of the financial managers.

Apple is still led by its founders -- and thus retains its innovativeness.

Corporations have a life cycle. And the more mature they become, the more likely they are to be led by the finance department or the legal department than they are by the engineering, operations or sales departments.

At that point, they usually become more concerned with maintaining their share of market and maximizing profits -- including acquisitions and mergers -- than they are with building share and internal product innovation.

The exceptions are, as I said, those companies with a vested interest in research -- which would include petrochemicals as well as pharmaceuticals.

A good example of what I'm talking about is the railroad business. By the late fifties, virtually every President or Chairman in the industry had come out of the Legal Department. And they were dying...

30 posted on 01/02/2011 1:18:29 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: danielmryan

That is the nature of government. It cannot be reformed, it cannot be fixed, it can’t be run like a business. It can and must only be minimized.


31 posted on 01/02/2011 1:19:15 PM PST by DManA
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To: okie01

IBM sold it’s personal computer business lock stock and barrel to China, which now not only makes them as “Lenovo” but also owns that business.

Apples are made there.

Neither is helping American jobs.


32 posted on 01/02/2011 1:20:56 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (McCarthy was Right.)
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To: truthguy

“These Boards of Directors need more scientists and engineers and less MBAs and Attorneys.”

I believe it was the head of Michelin that said if he needed MBA’s he would send his engineers back to school. He didn’t need anyone that didn’t know how to make tires first.


33 posted on 01/02/2011 1:26:08 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: NHResident
When an MIT graduate level degreed ME claims the internal combustion engine was one of man’s (this was several years ago) most damaging inventions - you are NOT talking to anyone who understands engineering.

Yes, and this is frighting. I believe what you say and from my understanding MIT doesn't even have a humanities department to speak of. I guess it's too close to Harvard.

I work in Silicon Valley in technology and I've seen the same nonsense from recent college graduates. And the more prestigious the university, the worse it seems to be (read Cal and Stanford). We are on very rocky ground when those who are supposed to be our future leaders have become indoctrinated so easily. It's a consequence of the nonsense that has been pounded into their heads in grammar school, high school, and at the university level. Raw intelligence seems to be no defense against this propaganda.
34 posted on 01/02/2011 1:29:09 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: AmericanVictory
Unfortunately they are too busy exercising ingenuity in deriving new types of derivatives to give any thought to bringing actual breakthrough inventions to market

Businessmen, surprise!, respond to the market. If more money can be made by financial manipulation, then they will manipulate rather than innovate. That's what businessmen do, indeed it is their proper function in society. Sniff out the way to make the most money with a given investment.

An even easier way to make money than financial manipulation is rent-seeking from the government. Risk-free money. An example of which is Will's notion of government investment in "research."

When governments determine buying and selling, the first things to be bought and sold are politicians. The problem is not to get business out of the government, it's to get government out of business. A is impossible, B is just really difficult.

35 posted on 01/02/2011 1:34:00 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: okie01
A good example of what I'm talking about is the railroad business. By the late fifties, virtually every President or Chairman in the industry had come out of the Legal Department. And they were dying...

Yes and perhaps that because of government regulation, lawsuits and the like, this gives and advantage to those who have a legal background as opposed to those who understand the technology. I'm just guessing. This is a very complicated subject and every time I see a trend, I see some type of exception.
36 posted on 01/02/2011 1:35:46 PM PST by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Kent C
Sadly this is another example of George Will mailing it in. He used to be able to think and write creatively. Not so much any more.
37 posted on 01/02/2011 1:38:08 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Uncle Ike
"Abolish the anti-comptetitive regulatory alphabet agencies (and their underlying laws), and rationalize the taxation environment which rewards the entrenched and punishes the innovative..."

I agree, well said

38 posted on 01/02/2011 1:47:44 PM PST by Lloyd227 (Class of 1998 (let's all help the Team McCain spider monkeys decide how to moderate))
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To: neverdem

Right out of “Atlas Shrugged”.


39 posted on 01/02/2011 2:20:56 PM PST by theymakemesick ( islam - inspired by Satan www.prophetofdoom.net)
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To: DManA
That is the nature of government. It cannot be reformed, it cannot be fixed, it can’t be run like a business. It can and must only be minimized.

Which leads to the question: does steering the government to a less destructive path end up helping or hurting?

40 posted on 01/02/2011 2:22:09 PM PST by danielmryan
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