Posted on 04/27/2011 6:09:26 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Edited on 04/27/2011 6:22:09 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
(CNN) The White House released President Obama’s original birth certificate Wednesday.
The surprise release follows recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, that raised doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.
Wow, you should start a separate thread on this topic alone.
PLEASE...don’t post anything from World NUT Daily!!
You answered your own question. In theory, the numbers should be assigned in order of birth, but who knows what went on in the office, how the forms were stacked and sorted (or mis-sorted) before being stamped with the file number. I don't see this as an issue, unless you expect absolute perfection out of a government office in 1961 (or any time for that matter).
What is the font on the certificate?
Immaterial.
That document, real or fake, doesn’t change the fact that Obama Sr. was NOT a US citizen and thus Hussein cannot be a natural born citizen eligible to run for president.
Exactly. That's what I've been saying. Quote from post 551: If Obama was adopted by Soetoro, there would be a Delayed Birth Registration due to a Legal Change of Status.
Chapter 8, Section B-5B states, "The existing certificate and the evidence upon which the new certificate was based shall be sealed and placed in a special file. Such file shall not be subject to inspection except upon order of a court of competent jurisdiction or by the director of health".
I had to smack my own knuckles with a freaking ruler to make myself do it. It was the only place to see all of the actual images at once.
Pay no attention to actual details of the article as it’s likely WND somehow screwed up the facts.
The way with date stamps are very different on the two b.c.s!!!
Missed it ... tuned in late.
Oh stop..you want us to all look like clowns and idiots??? Stop...for heaven’s sakes
On that score, and this is probably nothing, I noticed the "certification" has a typo: "I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR ABSTRACT OF TXE RECORD ON FILE IN THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH."
"THE" is mispelled as "TXE." Only truly odd thing I see so far. And again, probably nothing...
According to the (liberal) Huffington Post, Barry Obama was Barry Obama till +/- 1980.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/23/why-did-obama-change-his-_n_92944.html
Why then does his birth certificate say his name is “Barack Obama”?
I understand that when you are adopted, that your birth certificate is altered to reflect the name of your adoptive parents. Is this also the case if you change your name? Or is this “long form” fradulent?
Just a hunch, but those numbers probably have more to do with the order the certificates were processed at the registrar than the dates of birth. Looks like they got processed on the same day, so that’s not really a big deal. I think.
Sorry, champ. Africa is not a country either. It’s a continent.
An explanation for “African” as race is at post #250.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711155/posts?page=250#250
What a great campaign ad idea.
A comment from sdrobert: "The white halo around the black lines and and letters show that everything was extracted with Photoshop from another document and put over a green patterned background. A close up shows the letters to be very jagged which tells us that this is not an original typed form but very doctored. Why? The letters should be smooth around the edges. Look at a closeup of any real document."
The BC#’s weren’t pre-printed, but they were numbered sequentially from the time the HDOH office got them, which was on the “date filed”. So there is a discrepancy because Obama’s was supposedly filed (given a number) 3 days before the Nordykes but was given a later number than theirs.
lol
Oh, for crying out loud, does that mean I’m not a “natural-born citizen,” as my Dad didn’t become a citizen until about a year AFTER I was born, even though I was born in the First State to ratify the Constitution and to a mother whose lineage goes back to some of the original Quaker settlers of the area?
Where are the two signatures by the Director of Health and the Registrar and the date between them???
The document looks very new fresh and young compared to Nordyke’s!!!
I C....ok forgiven. ;)
You have no idea what their process was. Both sets of paperwork occurred in the same week. Perhaps they stacked the forms and filed them on Fridays and stamped the file numbers as they were filed and for whatever reason, these documents got out of birth order. Very plausible. Not a red flag IMO.
I'm amazed that people who normally decry the inefficiencies and screw ups of government on a daily basis suddenly expect a small government office in 1961 to have a perfect rock solid system for keeping all documents sorted properly (by hand, no less) before stamping with a file number.
Can you post a link to that at the Smoking Gun? Thanks!
...kinda looks funny to me that not ALL letters are that way?...
Bookmark for self.
He should be forced to reimburse taxpayers for fighting cases challenging his eligibility in court.
Did the sperm donor ever become a U.S. naturalized citizen, hmmm???
Why don’t go and brush up on the British Nationality act???
Oh, for crying out loud, does that mean I’m not a “natural-born citizen,” as my Dad didn’t become a citizen until about a year AFTER I was born, even though I was born in the First State to ratify the Constitution and to a mother whose lineage goes back to some of the original Quaker settlers of the area?
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Yes. That’s EXACTLY what that means. You are not a NBC.
see BS told us the EXACT same thing about the dan raTH documents about Bush's NG service too. Another fake but somewhat accurate colb.
CHILL...it was a joke to lighten the tension!
BookMarked
May God give us strength, and better HTML skills.
Tatt
I am betting they swapped out Momma for the Baby Daddy's signature cause THAT is the key issue they took two years to figure out how to hide. Just sayin'
All the O’s look raised to me - both upper and lowercase. Except for the O’s in Obama, of course.
I don’t use PDF file so I’m not sure what to make of this but...
I just opened this PDF file in Inkscape and un-grouped the image.
I can move the text, signature blocks, around too. After I move the text it’s white where the text was. So the security paper has white text imprinted on it.
Nonsense. Such a restriction has NEVER been part of law.
It says “Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital” on the Nordyke BCs - are they fake too?
Its a copy, from a book, on paper that has the green hash.
Obama’s mother gave birth at 18, means she was 17 when he was conceived. But, Obama claims his parents met in college?
And what is the explanation for this, because that’s news to me.
One of the things always manages to startle me about Birthers is their never ending ability to self righteously combine abject ignorance, with frenzied speculation, and spin yet another conspiracy theory out of absolutely nothing.
This paper has no border News flash: Its 2011, not 1961, or 1661. I was in court 12-15 years ago, and a bailiff, who at least had the excuse of being elderly, tried to lecture the District Judge, and informed her that her arrest warrant was legally invalid, because it didn't have a border around it. She brought him up to speed pretty rapidly, on the fact that while it was long traditional to have printed borders around fill-in-the-blank preprinted government documents, they were not legally required, and he could either serve the arrest warrant she had just printed on a laser printer, or she could summon another deputy to serve it. (She didn't add "And arrest you for contempt" but the look on her face implied it.)
or seal So, what kind of sealing wax do you use when sealing documents? Fuchsia? Butter? How long are the ribbons attached to the seal on your drivers license? What color sealing wax should be on this document, I mean in Birther World?
If you think that the Registrar in Hawaii still uses an old fashioned seal, and not a stamped certification, and that BO's folks are so stupid that they did a high profile release, knowing that anyone with 1% of Buckethead's ability, and a current Hawaii birth certificate, could immediately prove that that BO had just released a fake, then why not do the leg work, prove it is a fake, and become the most Freeper in the world?
Can't you see that whining about no border, and no seal, just makes you look like a paranoid loon?
Of course not. If you could, you wouldn't be a Birther.
I’m just going to say one thing about this debunking. I have the same concerns I had with the Polarik(sp?) analysis. Many of the things some are looking at, such as image artifacts, etc are not the best to use and can actually lead you to a false conclusion when you are dealing with an image of an image. In this case, this is supposedly a copy of a document > scanned > uploaded. That is three layers of ‘processing’ through computer programs that can add in these artifacts or other oddities. Those kind of ‘proofs’ only really work on an original, not a copy of a copy of a copy.
If you want to debunk this, focus on factual issues or things like the infamous “Buckhead” discovery regarding fonts that aren’t correct (non existent for the time, etc).
Playing around in Photoshop or Illustrator only reveal oddities that may have been put there though the multiple scanning and copying processes.
I can hear it now, it is forged.....whatever. For some, this is the only bone they have to chew on. It is their claim to fame. If they bury this pork chop bone..they got nothin’....this should be amusing.
Several possibilities:
1. They went in an in box in birth order but filed from the top of the pile down.
2. More than one person was filing that morning.
3. Some klutz dropped a stack of papers and picked them up out of order.
I don’t see why this is a big deal.
Am I the only one that thinks it’s odd that its not on microfiche?
Whoa. I was listening to Rush just now...and he was talking about an email he received from someone who said that this document is an obvious fraud...and here’s how you can check.
Download the PDF from above and open it in Adobe Illustrator, and you can see all the layers showing how the document was pieced together.
So... I did. I downloaded the file...and opened it in Illustrator...and indeed... this document has been pieced together. It’s a layered file. You can click and hide various layers until the screen is blank.
Now... look. I’m tired of this stupid argument. I really am. But as a graphic artist, I can tell you that if someone scanned in an image and saved it as a PDF, it would have been a solid, single layer. The only way that I know of for it to be broken down into layers is if it had been manipulated and created digitally.
Feel free to call me a whatever...but see for yourself if what that person Rush mentioned said is right.
You understand that the file numbers refer to when the BC was issued, right, and not the dates when the copies were requested, which is shown at the bottom, don't you?
Seriously, it's over.
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