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B-17 Bomber Bound For Indiana Crashes
http://www.theindychannel.com ^ | 1:15 pm EDT June 13, 2011 | theindychannel.com

Posted on 06/13/2011 10:54:02 AM PDT by FunkyZero

OSWEGO, Ill. -- A B-17 bomber that dates to World War II crashed and burned in a cornfield outside Chicago on Monday as it was headed to Indiana. Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory said aviation officials believe the seven people on board the plane escaped uninjured.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Indiana; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; b17; bomber; crash; planecrash; wwii
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huge bummer...

We lost another one.

1 posted on 06/13/2011 10:54:07 AM PDT by FunkyZero
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To: FunkyZero
Built for might, but so elegant in flight:

The original flying fortress.

2 posted on 06/13/2011 10:56:54 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: FunkyZero

Man, that sucks.


3 posted on 06/13/2011 10:58:53 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Tony Weiner - Internet Flasher)
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To: FunkyZero

That’s a damn shame to lose one of those. I wonder if NTSB will do a full report, considering that bird saw war.


4 posted on 06/13/2011 10:59:04 AM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: FunkyZero

I hate that.


5 posted on 06/13/2011 11:01:04 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: FunkyZero

A total loss with lot of donated time and energy went in to that historic piece of military aviation history, but thankfully the crew walked away unhurt.

6 posted on 06/13/2011 11:04:45 AM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: FunkyZero

Thank God it’s not the one owned by the foundation here in MA. Going to ride in it this year if it’s here.


7 posted on 06/13/2011 11:12:42 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland (!@)
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To: oyez

I’m pretty sure it was in Cincinnati Saturday morning. Saw a big 4 engine silver plane with yellow markings climbing out and heading west. The noise and size caught my attention, but it was to far away to tell if it was a B-17.


8 posted on 06/13/2011 11:16:15 AM PDT by OCC
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To: Darksheare

ping


9 posted on 06/13/2011 11:16:41 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: FunkyZero
Very sad, here is her history Liberty Foundation

"Liberty Belle" was scheduled to fly June 18-19th for Father's Day at Indy Regional Airport.

10 posted on 06/13/2011 11:22:41 AM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: FunkyZero
It was the Liberty Bell based out of Miami Florida. Pilot had an engine fire shortly after takeoff and attempted to return to the field but could not make it and elected to land in a cornfield. everyone got out but with no fire equipment nearby and in a wet cornfield the plane was lost due to fire as reported.
11 posted on 06/13/2011 11:22:46 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: DJ MacWoW
This was the Liberty Belle.
Such a shame.

Here's a better story, apparently a fire on board:
http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/5935944-417/world-war-ii-plane-goes-down-near-oswego.html

12 posted on 06/13/2011 11:23:06 AM PDT by sillsfan (Reagan and Sarah are right- WE win, they lose!)
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To: FunkyZero

Reportedly, this was the “Liberty Belle”.


13 posted on 06/13/2011 11:24:06 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: FunkyZero

Any idea which one it was? I took my son to see “Aluminum Overcast” that was visiting Seattle over the Memorial Day Weekend.


14 posted on 06/13/2011 11:25:37 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: VeniVidiVici
"Man, that sucks."

big time.
If memory serves me correctly (which isn't so reliable anymore), there are only about 1/2 dozen of them flying. This is a pretty huge loss.

15 posted on 06/13/2011 11:26:15 AM PDT by FunkyZero ("It's not about duck hunting !")
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To: FunkyZero

Darn. I was looking forward to hearing about a succesful bombing run on Gary, IN.


16 posted on 06/13/2011 11:28:44 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: FunkyZero
Related post: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2734024/posts
17 posted on 06/13/2011 11:28:54 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: FunkyZero

Disgusting to think of how many of these we ground up into scrap after the war.


18 posted on 06/13/2011 11:32:38 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (2008 was about words; 2012 will be about numbers)
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To: FunkyZero

So sad to lose one of the few remaining “Flying Forts.” Once they filled the skies over Europe.


19 posted on 06/13/2011 11:33:49 AM PDT by henkster (Every member of Congress must put the fate of the nation over their next re-election campaign)
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To: henkster

Just this weekend, I was watching a documentary about the B-17’s and the 8th Air Force......indication was made that the 8th lost more men than did the Marine Corps in the Pacific - now, that’s a new one on me.


20 posted on 06/13/2011 11:40:11 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: FunkyZero
A B-17 bomber that dates to World War II

So it wasn't one of the new ones.

21 posted on 06/13/2011 11:45:30 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Just once I'd like someone to call me 'Sir' without adding 'You're making a scene.' - Homer Simpson)
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To: ErnBatavia

In addition to KIA and wounded, they are probably counting POW’s in the “losses.” The Marines didn’t have many POW’s in the Pacific. But if you figure the average number of planes on a mission, the number of crew per plane, and the percentage of aircraft lost per mission, over time it adds up. Not to mention the killed and wounded on the planes that made it back to England.


22 posted on 06/13/2011 11:47:09 AM PDT by henkster (Every member of Congress must put the fate of the nation over their next re-election campaign)
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To: FunkyZero

Was this plane part of the Confederate Air force?? In anyt case it is such a terrible shame to see even one of these magnificent warbirds lost. From the looks of it there is little left to salvage...


23 posted on 06/13/2011 11:50:14 AM PDT by Bean Counter (Your what hurts??)
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To: NavyCanDo

>>I took my son to see “Aluminum Overcast” that was visiting Seattle over the Memorial Day Weekend.<<

I was at an estate sale and heard that thing fly over. I said to my wife (also a plane buff), “That sounds like a B-17.”

And it was...


24 posted on 06/13/2011 11:51:44 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: FunkyZero

Glad I took the kids to see/tour a B-17 and B-24 last summer at the Oxford (CT) airport. Worth it!


25 posted on 06/13/2011 11:54:29 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: ErnBatavia
Just this weekend, I was watching a documentary about the B-17’s and the 8th Air Force......indication was made that the 8th lost more men than did the Marine Corps in the Pacific - now, that’s a new one on me.

Somebody once did a calculation as to how many resources were diverted from the US Army by the Strategic Bombing Campaign against Germany. It was astounding how many more troops & equipment could have been fielded. Of course a lot of the equipment the US did produce was being used to equip the Soviets and the Free French Army, so really it was a question of where all the highly-skilled manpower went.

26 posted on 06/13/2011 12:01:11 PM PDT by Tallguy (You can safely ignore anything that precedes the word "But"...)
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To: Lurker

How would anyone be able to tell?


27 posted on 06/13/2011 12:03:27 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: FunkyZero

Probably hit by stray shots from an Amish drive-by on the South Side.


28 posted on 06/13/2011 12:06:20 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: henkster

Per The Mighty Eighth Air Force museum: The 8th AF suffered one-half of the U.S. Army Air Forces’ casualties in World War II (47,000-plus casualties with more than 26,000 deaths). The Eighth’s personnel also earned 17 Medals of Honor, 220 Distinguished Service Crosses, 850 Silver Stars, 7,000 Purple Hearts 46,000 Air Medals.


29 posted on 06/13/2011 12:07:00 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: oneolcop

By the way, in the Schweinfurt-Regensberg raid of August 1943, the 8th Air Force lost the equivalent of a whole battalion of (600)men in one day.


30 posted on 06/13/2011 12:12:15 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: FunkyZero

I hope it wasn’t “Old Fuddy Duddy”. It’s a shame to lose any of them, but Fuddy Duddy was a favorite at WWII vintage airshows.


31 posted on 06/13/2011 12:14:44 PM PDT by Tucker39
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To: PeaceBeWithYou

They were offering flights on this plane at the upcoming air show. Lucky the crash didn’t happen with paying customer aboard. That would have just added to the tragedy.

My dad served as a waist guner on a B17 during WWII.


32 posted on 06/13/2011 12:30:37 PM PDT by redangus
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yowch.
I never got to see that one.
But I did get to see “Nine O Nine”.


33 posted on 06/13/2011 1:02:52 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: sillsfan

Thank you for the link. I think. Such a loss and it’s awful to see.


34 posted on 06/13/2011 1:10:09 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Darksheare

I actually flew on the “Nine O Nine” a few years ago when they were in Norwood Ma.
It was a once in a lifetime experience.


35 posted on 06/13/2011 1:23:38 PM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: markoman

I haven’t gotten to fly on one yet.
But I did get to climb through them while on the ground.


36 posted on 06/13/2011 1:33:33 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Darksheare

I was amazed at how little space there is on those things!


37 posted on 06/13/2011 1:45:56 PM PDT by markoman (The man with the rubber glove was....surprisingly gentle.)
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To: FunkyZero

Oh no. I’ve seen Liberty Belle several times. She was a majestic bird. Not many of her kind left. Every one lost is a piece of history gone.


38 posted on 06/13/2011 1:49:52 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: markoman

My missus is 5’1” and she was quite comfortable inside Nine O Nine.
I’m only four inches taller and I smacked my head.


39 posted on 06/13/2011 2:00:13 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: redangus
My late father-in-law was a bombardier in a B-17 that got shot down. He had a bad parachute landing, breaking both knees. Got captured by the Germans, and was part of the Sagan Death March. He spent the rest of WWII in a German prison camp.

He never talked about it until he was quite elderly. Just came home, went back to work and raised his family. He rests with the thousands of his brothers in arms in Arlington National Cemetery.

40 posted on 06/13/2011 2:08:41 PM PDT by Inspectorette
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To: ErnBatavia
.indication was made that the 8th lost more men than did the Marine Corps in the Pacific - now, that’s a new one on me.

By a pretty good number, actually. Official USMC dead in WW2 is 19,733. 8th Air Force dead is 23,806. Counting wounded, MIA and POWs gives 67,000 Marines and 62,000 8th Air Force. Plus the 8th was a far smaller unit, manpower-wise, than the USMC. The actual air crew strength of the 8th was about 135,000, compared to the USMC's 475,000 by war's end.

The air crews were certainly more likely to become POWs than Marines, but they were also far more likely to be killed.

41 posted on 06/13/2011 2:27:34 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: FourPeas
Not many of her kind left. Every one lost is a piece of history gone.

They built 12,000 of them. About a dozen can still fly today.

42 posted on 06/13/2011 2:33:36 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: FunkyZero
This is a bad day, but a good day,

I just got word that my wifes sisters father in law had a stroke.

He is a old WW2 pilot, my father in law is a WW2 pilot also,myself I flew for money.

I find irony and greatness, The Liberty Belle went down today and so did Poppy, both will be greatly missed.

43 posted on 06/13/2011 2:35:31 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: OCC

The hum of four Pratt & Whitney R-1690 engines isn’t something you hear everyday. Sounds like victory.


44 posted on 06/13/2011 3:05:25 PM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: Kakaze

Prayers for Poppy. He and your father-in-law deserve our praise and gratitude.

They don’t make planes—or men—like that anymore.


45 posted on 06/13/2011 3:09:18 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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NO they don't

I flew T-38's and King Airs.................I never did what those 2 old gentelmen did.

46 posted on 06/13/2011 3:17:03 PM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: Inspectorette

That seemed to be the norm for that generation. I used to ask my dad about his experience and all he would say is, “We had a job to do, we did it and we came home.”

The only time he I ever saw him get emotional about war in general was when I told him I was going to enlist in the Navy during Viet Nam. He very heatedly told me no I was not. He had fought a war so his son wouldn’t have to and I was going to college. End of argument.

I don’t suppose we will ever know the horrors these men, very young men at the time (my dad was 20 when the war started), saw and endured.


47 posted on 06/13/2011 3:43:24 PM PDT by redangus
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To: oyez

I used to live out by Indianapolis Regional Airport (nee’ Mount Comfort Airport) where they stage these shows. One day I was outside and heard the drone of the engines and looked for the plane. it took at least 5 minutes before it came into view. I remembering thinking what did a 1000 plane raid sound like? The Germans had to hear them coming when the crossed the Channel.


48 posted on 06/13/2011 3:47:41 PM PDT by redangus
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To: FunkyZero

They are using some of these remaining planes to provide “Vet Flights” for WWII veterans. My father was privileged to go on one last year and it was quite a thrill for him. He is 92 years old. He wasn’t a pilot in the war, but did get shipped to England in a B17.

At takeoff, they sound just like they did in the movies...sent chills down my back.


49 posted on 06/13/2011 4:06:46 PM PDT by Purdue Pete
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To: FunkyZero; null and void; Jeremiah Jr; 444Flyer; Quix; Yehuda; Tax-chick
A B-17 bomber that dates to World War II The Liberty Belle crashed and burned in a cornfield outside Chicago...

Looks like an omen.

50 posted on 06/13/2011 5:00:36 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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