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Herman Cain: Electrify the Border Fence
Michelle Malkin ^ | 10-15-2011 | Doug Powers

Posted on 10/15/2011 6:06:22 PM PDT by smoothsailing

Herman Cain: Electrify the Border Fence

Doug Powers

October 15, 2011

It’s now a “9999plan: 9 percent personal income tax, 9 percent national sales tax, 9 percent business tax, and a 9 amp jolt if you try to illegally cross into the US.

New York Times:

Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Saturday that part of his immigration policy would be to build an electrified fence on the country’s border with Mexico that could kill people trying to enter the country illegally.

The remarks, which came at two campaign rallies in Tennessee as part of a barnstorming bus tour across the state, drew loud cheers from crowds of several hundred people at each rally. At the second stop, in Harriman, Tenn., Mr. Cain added that he also would consider using military troops “with real guns and real bullets” on the border to stop illegal immigration.
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It is not the first time that Mr. Cain has floated the idea of an electrified fence. He has told the story many times of a caller to his former radio show who chastised him for talking about building a border fence, saying that such an idea was impractical. Mr. Cain often says he told the caller that he had recently returned from China, and if the Chinese could build the Great Wall then America could build a border fence.

Before we assume that Herman Cain’s suggestion will cause Democrats or even select Republicans to throw even more scorn in his direction, I’d suggest this: Cain could win over many of them simply by saying that in his border plan, the fence would be electrified with power provided by solar panels the government purchased from stimulus-backed green energy companies.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Mexico; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: border; cain; electric; fence; genius; hermancain; illegalaliens; knowsnato; larazarick; openbordersperry; panderperry; perrybotsattack; romneyperry2012
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To: nhwingut
Perry is the only one that stands between Romney and the nomination.

After NH, it's downhill for Mitt. He couldn't be Mccain in 08, how will he beat a real Conservative? When the southern states vote, it's over for Myth Romney.

101 posted on 10/15/2011 7:22:09 PM PDT by sand88
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To: altura

“They shoot blacks don’t they?”


102 posted on 10/15/2011 7:22:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Wild Irish Rogue

There’s going to need to be a way to intercept interlopers, on foot or otherwise. Cain tossed out the idea of the killer fence, which would shorten the spans that need to be patrolled. If a drone spots something, is it always going to be possible to meet that something on foot or robotically? I do not call it impossible, but it’s something the best minds of the Pentagon will be needed to engineer.


103 posted on 10/15/2011 7:24:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: smoothsailing

I have lived at border and herman doesn’t go far enough jerky


104 posted on 10/15/2011 7:24:43 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: smoothsailing

No need to electrify the fence. Cain’s 9% national sales tax should be enough to keep out the smart illegal aliens.


105 posted on 10/15/2011 7:25:56 PM PDT by Infralutheran
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To: lahargis

You have never lived in California


106 posted on 10/15/2011 7:29:03 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: smoothsailing; All
Those nervous nellies who think this will alienate "the middle/moderates" are in for a very, very big surprise.

Cain will pick up AT LEAST 5 more points over this and all the momentum going into November 2011.

If he keeps this up nobody else will have a chance.

107 posted on 10/15/2011 7:30:30 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Infralutheran

Well, maybe he just wants to electrocute the dumb illegal aliens.


108 posted on 10/15/2011 7:31:16 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: ClearCase_guy; shield; Clarity


109 posted on 10/15/2011 7:32:13 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: nhwingut

Yet he is ahead in most of the early polls.


110 posted on 10/15/2011 7:33:41 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: smoothsailing
Get back to us when Perry quits being a Open-Borders fraud.

Let us know when he actually supports Securing the border by doing the following:

1. Implementing E-Verify nationally as a requirement to lesson the chance Illegals can work in America.
2. Building a physical Border Wall to make is much more difficult to cross the border illegally.
3. Supporting laws like AZ1070 and Alabama's law to make it much more harder to live/work in Americal Illegally.
4. Comes out against Comprehensive Immigration reform instead of supporting it.


Quits pandering to his big-money corporate campaign donors who require a cheap, steady, tax-payer funded labor force (A.K.A. Illegal Aliens) to make their business models successful.

Until then, Perry ain't electable.
111 posted on 10/15/2011 7:38:09 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: South40

Well then.
If taken into context
I swore I wasn’t going to react to Cain headlines without researching first


112 posted on 10/15/2011 7:41:59 PM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Vigilanteman

"Does anybody around here have actual experience with an electric fence?"

Yes.

"Has anyone ever raised cattle behind an electric fence?"

Yes--cattle and other livestock.

"As a boy, I did. I even peed on an electric fence on a dare. Only once."

Heh. I didn't.

"Electric fences do not kill anything unless you are dumb enough not to let go and continue crossing."

An electric fence running 9 amps of current can.

"I've never heard of cattle, one of the dumbest creatures on God's green earth, even being killed by an electric fence."

The topic is about people, although cattle fence chargers provide pulses with far less than 9 amps. They're high voltage, low amperage.

"The reason is simple: the shock is not strong enough to electrocute you, but strong enough to make you remember never to touch the electric fence again."

9 amps would kill.

"Herman Cain isn't talking about killing border crashers. He is talking about border security."

9-amp security fences would kill people. Buy hey, Cain knows Nato. I'm not impressed with any of the politicians allowed by the elite folks to run for the presidency. Serving select constituents who are traitors against our country, the politicians are traitors themselves. And some of the candidates for such puppetry are downright morons.


113 posted on 10/15/2011 7:43:58 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

In 4 years the illegal Texas grads will be in Austin (if they arn’t already) as Occupiers demanding their loans be paid by Big Oil corporations and they and Mom, Dad and the rest of the familia be given US citizenship - orange even the entire State of Texas be given back to Mexico oil and all.


114 posted on 10/15/2011 7:44:22 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: SoConPubbie
Perry ain't electable.

Then you've got nothing to worry about!

115 posted on 10/15/2011 7:44:44 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: altura

” And, by the way, that is not free tuition, it is simply the tuition that all Texans pay. “

The way this issue is framed by the media and those supporting other candidates gives the impression
that the relatively
few who meet all the requirements are given a free ride.
That they don’t have to pay any tuition at all.
When they pay in state rates .
Out of state US citizens can qualify for in state Texas rates
if they live or work in Texas for a year ,
which is fairly standard for most state colleges and universities .
The vast majority of the less than 1% who
qualify go to community colleges
or technical schools.
Non-residents pay an average of $4,800,
compared to $2,200 for residents who live
in the college’s district
and $3,200 for residents outside the district.
Santorum was throwing around differences of $100,000 IIRC when it is mostly
between $1600 and $ 2600/ year.
I don’t know why Perry didn’t cite the actual figures..
Or why he didn’t reassure Michelle Bachmann that his Gardasil
vaccination plan was not implemented ,
it was never a reality.
Another point is that it’s often said that Perry “ passed “
the Texas Dream Act in 2001.
The Texas legislature passed the veto proof bill.
Whether Perry signed the bill or vetoed it,
it was going to be law.
He was going to be damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.


116 posted on 10/15/2011 7:49:39 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: familyop

I have an electric fence that I use to try to keep ILLEGAL aliens off my property. It works to the extent that they do not cross where the fence is but go around it to my gate and cross. To date no one has been killed; I have yet to find any bodies, anyway.


117 posted on 10/15/2011 7:50:34 PM PDT by South40 ('Heartless' since 1957)
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To: Waryone

They come here for jobs. If I was in their shoes, I’d be here too. His statement is true and your post makes you look stupid.


118 posted on 10/15/2011 7:54:44 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: lahargis

Restructuring the EPA is liking moving a big pile of bovine droppings around.


119 posted on 10/15/2011 8:04:54 PM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Castigar

No, it does not. That’s been proven.


120 posted on 10/15/2011 8:05:53 PM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Waryone

Well, given they have to sign up to be LEGAL to pay in state tuition...... gives a path to citizenship. Cain is for a legal path to citizenship. I think it is pretty smart to dangle a carrot and say well if you want it you have to sign up to be legal.


121 posted on 10/15/2011 8:09:36 PM PDT by lahargis
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To: smoothsailing

Under a loosening of Posse Comitatus, the government formed JT-6 which deployed military troops to stop drug smugglers along the border.

I’m sure Cain doesn’t remember this, as he’s not from Texas, but there was a huge outcry in TX when the Military shot this Presidio, TX teen who was herding goats. The troops were pulled out after this.

Wednesday, June 4, 1997
DA doubts military version of border shooting

DALLAS (AP) June 4, 1997 - - Local and state authorities say they’re
beginning to find discrepancies in the military’s explanation of the
fatal shooting of a Presidio County teenager by a marine two weeks ago.

Ezequiel Hernandez Jr., 18, a high school student from Redford, was
killed May 20 when he came upon four Marines participating in a Joint
Task Force 6 mission to watch suspected drug routes for the Border
Patrol.

The case is expected to go to a Presidio County grand jury next month.

Marine Col. Thomas R. Kelly, deputy task force commander, said Hernandez
fired two shots at the Marines and had raised his .22-caliber rifle to
fire a third when the non-commissioned officer in charge returned fire
with an M-16 and killed the teenager.

But District Attorney Albert Valadez told The Dallas Morning News that
early results of the local investigation raise questions.

“The comments made by the military were conclusions that were drawn
perhaps prematurely, he said in the newspaper’s Wednesday editions. I
would never draw conclusions as quickly as they did without some type of
tangible evidence.

Texas Ranger Capt. Barry Caver also hinted that the military’s version
of events might not add up.

“Some of the evidence, as far as the injuries to the body and the angle
(of Hernandez’s bullet wound), doesn’t exactly match what they’re
telling us,” Caver said.

Caver also said there was a “good possibility” that Hernandez wasn’t
aware that he was shooting at Marines, who were dressed in heavy
camouflage, their faces blackened and bodies covered in burlap and
leaves.

Maureen Bossch, a spokeswoman for the El Paso-based military unit,
expressed surprise at the officials’ remarks and added that the military
is cooperating with investigations of the shooting.

Authorities say the Marines were conducting surveillance because the
area is used heavily by drug smugglers crossing the Rio Grande.
Officials said they do not believe Hernandez was involved in any illegal
activity when he was shot.

The incident has raised questions about the wisdom of using military troops in border operations.


122 posted on 10/15/2011 8:10:09 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Freepers, please turn yourself in at attackwatch.com)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Yes and Perry has power plants shutting down in his state. The EPA is a group that is not elected, makes decisions and is not accountable. Makes me sick.


123 posted on 10/15/2011 8:11:37 PM PDT by lahargis
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To: nhwingut
I hope Perry can get some mojo back with his energy plan

How is Perry's energy plan fundamentally different than Cain's? Cain is in favor of loosening regulation so that we can develop our own abundant resources and letting market forces drive the appropriate energy sources. He is against goverment subsidies to pick winners and losers. You can read his Issues section on his website. I don't see an "Energy" topic section on Rick's website, but from what he has said, it sounds like a similar stance to Cain's.
124 posted on 10/15/2011 8:13:37 PM PDT by TimPatriot
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To: sockmonkey

A kid with a .22 taking potshots at 4 armed men?

Strange story.


125 posted on 10/15/2011 8:19:24 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: TimPatriot

Well, for one thing, he wants to completely dismantle the EPA, that group of idiots who sit around thinking up ways to destroy business based on some stupid green theory.

Cain was to rework the EPA. You can’t cure stupid, you just need to get rid of it.


126 posted on 10/15/2011 8:20:12 PM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: smoothsailing

A very strange story. I remember when it happened but I don’t remember the final disposition of it.


127 posted on 10/15/2011 8:29:20 PM PDT by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: smoothsailing
A kid with a .22 taking potshots at 4 armed men?

I doubt he saw them. They were 200 to 400 yards away, tracked him for twenty minutes. He was on private property.

The military were wearing ghillie suits. He may have been aware of "something", but the Texas Rangers findings were that the military lied. The angle of Hernandez wounds were such as to show that the military's version was not truthful

Also, when the Sheriff got there, the military waited fifteen minutes to tell the local Sheriff they had shot a teenager herding goats. The military did not attempt first aid, just checked his pulse while the kid bled out.

There was a huge outcry because the military could go on anyone's property, without letting people know they were there. They even were inland at times, not just along the border. Basically, ranchers here were thinking that if you were out on your property, with a varmint rifle, the military would shoot first, and ask questions later, or just kill you, and dump you in a ravine.

128 posted on 10/15/2011 8:30:14 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Freepers, please turn yourself in at attackwatch.com)
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To: altura
I don’t remember the final disposition of it.

A grand jury did not indict the four "shooters". The family sued the fed's for wrongful death, and received $1.9 million dollars.

129 posted on 10/15/2011 8:32:52 PM PDT by sockmonkey (Freepers, please turn yourself in at attackwatch.com)
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To: lahargis

Yes, his legal path to citizenship is the one that currently exists now. They have to go home and apply from there. I think his path to citizenship is the way is should be. No bending and changing laws to suit the criminals. Take away the jobs and the goodies they come here to get, send them back home and let them apply for citizenship there like everyone else patiently waiting on that line.

I think some “republicans” have totally missed the mark on this one. They don’t understand that Americans are fed up with a system that gets their own govt. to steal from them to provide for people who are not even supposed to be here.

Why do you think Alabama, Georgia, and Arizona have fought so hard to defend their states from these invaders? Why do you think Perry dropped from the lead into fourth place or less? It is precisely because certain moderates (RINOs) have no clue how angry we are at what is happening to this country.

We are tired of having our pockets picked, we are tired of being invaded, we are tired of having the invaders run roughshod over our laws, scoff at us and get away with it, and we are tired of having to coddle the invaders because some bureaucrats and legislators think we should. We are tired of having politicians tell us there is nothing we can do about it but give the invaders more of our stuff.

I hope this gets plenty of play in the media. Just like they thought painting Reagan as a crazed warmonger would hurt him, this will definitely get more people to consider voting for Cain.


130 posted on 10/15/2011 8:34:03 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: altura
Well, for one thing, he wants to completely dismantle the EPA, that group of idiots who sit around thinking up ways to destroy business based on some stupid green theory.

If Cain wants to rework the EPA, I hope he would clean house of the green god idealogues (that might be all of the personel there now) and significantly reduce its power and size. I would have to agree that a federal agency that declares CO2 a dangerous pollutant is an agency totally out of control and a threat to liberty and reason.
131 posted on 10/15/2011 8:34:37 PM PDT by TimPatriot
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To: smoothsailing

>> Zap & Tax!

LOL.


132 posted on 10/15/2011 8:35:43 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Save a pretzel for the gas jet.)
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To: South40
"I have an electric fence that I use to try to keep ILLEGAL aliens off my property. It works to the extent that they do not cross where the fence is but go around it to my gate and cross. To date no one has been killed; I have yet to find any bodies, anyway"

Looks like a good arrangement, but I reckon your fence is plugged into a livestock charger and not directly into a 120-volt household outlet or something like that. ;-)

Electric livestock fences run several thousand volts and very low amperage unless unintentionally grounded somewhere.


133 posted on 10/15/2011 8:39:20 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: smoothsailing

And back it up with a moat.

Good call, Hermanator.


134 posted on 10/15/2011 8:39:30 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Amen!

Well said


135 posted on 10/15/2011 8:40:00 PM PDT by heiss (heartless)
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To: smoothsailing

I like the Cain.
He should say illegals get no more goodies. He should lead the charge to end the anchor baby nightmare. He should throw employers who knowingly hire illegals or pay them under the table in jail. Illegals using phoney idea should do long stretches in the same federal jail. That federal prison should be a copy of Sheriff Joes’s barbwire hotel and should be located in Arizona.

Prisoners with high IQs could be trained to do the computer work of low level federal employees to shorten their sentences from 100 to 20 years. Fewer federal emplyees that way.

Self deportation. Problem solved. No border fence needed.


136 posted on 10/15/2011 8:41:00 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He Hate Me Uns)
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To: shield

Perry is no conservative.


137 posted on 10/15/2011 8:41:54 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: sockmonkey

Thanks for the additional info. That explains it much better. His family must have been devastated.


138 posted on 10/15/2011 8:45:41 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: chesty_puller

Sorry Chesty,

My dad was a Marine so I really respect your service as well as your screen name. But jobs for illegals are perks, just like the goodies we are forced to give them. Illegals take work from honest hard working US citizens. Proof positive of that, when the illegals left Alabama, companies who lost workers put out the call for employees and had lines of people out the door and around the block ready to answer that call.

I have zero sympathy for those who want to coddle them. The invaders need to be de-incentivized to be here and seriously encouraged to return home.


139 posted on 10/15/2011 8:49:26 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: South40

Electric fence is good for keeping bears out, too, BTW (on the Rockies). ...fence that’s more permanent with less maintenance for livestock (nonelectric, high tensile).


140 posted on 10/15/2011 8:49:33 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: TBP

I think he’s now the “Zapanator”!


141 posted on 10/15/2011 8:50:18 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Jim Robinson

Great, wonder how long it will take for them to strip the copper out of it. /sarcasm.


142 posted on 10/15/2011 8:52:04 PM PDT by Orange1998 (Obama also inherited AAA credit rating.)
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To: familyop
Correct on all counts. Electric fences can be designed to kill. They can even post warning signs that they will kill. But, as a general rule, they do not have to kill to do their intended job.

Yeah, there would be people who would try to short it out. Sometimes they might even succeed. If it happens too often, you crank up the amperage. If you crank up the amperage too far, it will kill. What's the problem with that?

If somebody invades your yard, you might yell at them to get out. If they come on to your porch despite the warning, you might fire a warning shot. If they crash through the door, does the third time have to be yet another warning shot? I don't think so.

143 posted on 10/15/2011 8:55:46 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Orange1998

And the alligators will make great boots to sell.


144 posted on 10/15/2011 9:01:38 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

Israel designed some good fence. As for yard invasions, I’m glad that I’m not in the suburbs (no government road within miles of here). ;-)


145 posted on 10/15/2011 9:06:44 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: lahargis

No they just have to SAY they will as soon as possible. Nobody ever checks.


146 posted on 10/15/2011 9:09:33 PM PDT by Politicalmom (I am intrigued and open to the Bush administration’s amnesty proposal. -Rick Perry)
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To: Waryone

I pretty much agree with you. I’ve had many conversations with Illegals and the ones I talk to just want to work, save and go home for a few months. They are taking our jobs, but the Feds let them. I’m tired of Perry getting the blame after he spent $400,000,000 of our tax money to stop them. A 1200 mile fence won’t work without a few thousand troops patrolling it.


147 posted on 10/15/2011 9:17:47 PM PDT by chesty_puller (Viet Nam 1970-71 He who shed blood with me shall forever be my brother. Shak.)
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To: smoothsailing

MAKE THAT ZAP AND TAX AND NO SHARIA!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDXCwd65R5o&feature=related


148 posted on 10/15/2011 11:03:20 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Vigilanteman
Does anybody around here have actual experience with an electric fence?

As a matter of fact, yes. We have one up now to keep the hogs out and have used them over the years for one reason or another. One hog got hung up trying to go under it and was electrocuted by the repeated jolts.

Mr. Cain's alligators/moat remarks were clearly a joke however I didn't think his electric fence (that will kill you) and live bullets were (a joke). I'm sure he'll be asked to clarity and then we'll know.

149 posted on 10/15/2011 11:07:12 PM PDT by Texan
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To: Infralutheran
Cain’s 9% national sales tax should be enough to keep out the smart illegal aliens.

Now that's funny.

150 posted on 10/15/2011 11:15:56 PM PDT by Texan
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