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Newly Declassified Memo Reveals Roosevelt Was Warned of Tokyo’s Focus on Hawaii
Gateway Pundit ^ | November 29,2011 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 11/29/2011 7:32:32 PM PST by Hojczyk

A newly released memo revealed that President Roosevelt was warned that Tokyo was focused on Hawaii days before the attack on Pearl Harbor. Washington Whispers reported:

Three days before the Dec. 7, 1941 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt was warned in a memo from naval intelligence that Tokyo’s military and spy network was focused on Hawaii, a new and eerie reminder of FDR’s failure to act on a basket load of tips that war was near.

In the newly revealed 20-page memo from FDR’s declassified FBI file, the Office of Naval Intelligence on December 4 warned, “In anticipation of open conflict with this country, Japan is vigorously utilizing every available agency to secure military, naval and commercial information, paying particular attention to the West Coast, the Panama Canal and the Territory of Hawaii.”

The memo, published in the new book December 1941: 31 Days that Changed America and Saved the World went on to say that the Japanese were collecting “detailed technical information” that would be specifically used by its navy. To collect and analyze information, they were building a network of spies through their U.S. embassies and consulates.

Historian and acclaimed Reagan biographer Craig Shirley, author of the just released December 1941, doesn’t blame FDR for blowing it, but instead tells Whispers that it “does suggest that there were more pieces to the puzzle” that the administration missed.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; infamy; pearlharbor; presidents; roosevelt; worldwareleven; wwii
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1 posted on 11/29/2011 7:32:34 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

We saw this.


2 posted on 11/29/2011 7:34:42 PM PST by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: Hojczyk
paying particular attention to the West Coast, the Panama Canal and the Territory of Hawaii.”
Well that certainly narrowed it down,thank god the gulf of mexico was ruled out....
3 posted on 11/29/2011 7:36:28 PM PST by Waverunner (I'd like to welcome our new overlords, say hello to my little friend)
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To: Hojczyk
FDR wanted the attack to happen so we would be forced into the war.

This is not news.

4 posted on 11/29/2011 7:36:37 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("(...in a) a free market ... no exchange takes place unless both parties benefit." --Milton Friedman)
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To: Hojczyk
NSA had information about a possible hijacking in the Mediterranean in the early 1980s. Who knew it would be a cruise ship, the Achilles Lauro? All the hijackings up until then had been jet liners.

Possessing nonspecific intelligence always looks bad when viewed in the rear view mirror. “We should have guessed,” becomes the refrain. But there is really no way to have known and you'll go crazy trying to cover everything.

5 posted on 11/29/2011 7:38:50 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Hojczyk

Just imagine what our grandchildren are going to learn 70 years from now about things Obama did or didn’t do. < / shudder >


6 posted on 11/29/2011 7:39:33 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Hojczyk
went on to say that the Japanese were collecting “detailed technical information” that would be specifically used by its navy. To collect and analyze information, they were building a network of spies through their U.S. embassies and consulates.

Can anyone imagine the network of spy's today in the U.S.?

With uncontrolled illegal immigration, wide open lawless borders, not to mention a legal immigration free for all, where tens of thousands from Muslim countries, the Mideast and elsewhere, go on basically unabated.

7 posted on 11/29/2011 7:39:49 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
FDR wanted the attack to happen so we would be forced into the war.

This is abject idiocy that has been refuted by an infinite amount of scholarship, including "At Dawn We Slept."

Among other things, that Japanese had absolutely NO provision or plans to call off the attack if they were discovered, or Pearl Harbor was alerted. They actually EXPECTED to have to fight their way in, and were only HOPING to achieve complete surprise if they could.

And it's not like we wouldn't have went to war if they only damaged a couple of battleships and killed a few hundred Americans. And we would have gone to war if the Japanese only attacked the Philippines.

Short and Kimmel received clear war warnings; The idea that they had to be specifically told they were going to be attacked to be prepared is ludicrous.

And as a practical matter, if Pearl had been ready the effects of the attack would have been worse. The fleet would have been at sea and every battleship probably would have been sunk in deep water.

8 posted on 11/29/2011 7:41:28 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Hojczyk

Can anyone imagine the network of spy’s today in the U.S.?

With uncontrolled illegal immigration, wide open lawless borders, not to mention a legal immigration free for all, where tens of thousands from Muslim countries, the Mideast and elsewhere, go on basically unabated.

Oh, and this is not to mention the fact, we openly trade with Communist Chinese who’s ships stroll into our ports around the clock, with cheap tainted goodies.


10 posted on 11/29/2011 7:43:43 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Hojczyk

Ping for later.


11 posted on 11/29/2011 7:44:48 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Hojczyk

A good look at what was going on behind the scenes with U.S. military intelligence during this time period is Edwin T. Layton’s “And I Was There”.


12 posted on 11/29/2011 7:45:06 PM PST by Stevenc131
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To: Hojczyk; All

I seem to recall a story or book a few years back that laid out a credible scenario that Churchill knew about the Pearl Harbor attack from German naval Enigma messages, intercepted, and decoded at Bletchley Park. Churhil did NOT inform FDR, because he wanted the US in the war..and this was the only war to guarantee America would come in..


13 posted on 11/29/2011 7:45:06 PM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: Hojczyk
"..newly revealed 20-page memo.."

Apparently this was also in some other memos, revealed years ago.

14 posted on 11/29/2011 7:46:37 PM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: Hojczyk

This “rumor” has been going around for years.


15 posted on 11/29/2011 7:46:57 PM PST by Mears (Tempus fugit !)
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To: Hojczyk

It is bull conspiracy garbage to say that FDR knew about the attack.

Note that the historian says that the memo was evidence that the admin missed it.


16 posted on 11/29/2011 7:47:06 PM PST by garjog
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To: Hojczyk
President Roosevelt was warned in a memo from naval intelligence that Tokyo’s military and spy network was focused on Hawaii

How odd for the Japanese to be focused on the homeport of the Pacific Fleet.

I'm ready for the shocking revelation that the Germans were focusing their spy network on Moscow and Leningrad.

17 posted on 11/29/2011 7:48:48 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Hojczyk

Not really news. Historians have been saying this for decades.


18 posted on 11/29/2011 7:48:51 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: ken5050

Can someone explain how the US isn’t in the war if Pearl Harbor is warned it’s going to be attacked?

I’ve yet to see a conspiracy nutter even try to explain this.


19 posted on 11/29/2011 7:50:34 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Hojczyk

“In anticipation of open conflict with this country, Japan is vigorously utilizing every available agency to secure military, naval and commercial information, paying particular attention to the West Coast, the Panama Canal and the Territory of Hawaii.”

Just those three.... This memo was nothing new at the time either. The military in those days were well aware that any Asian power striking at the US would strike one of those 3 places- a kid with a map can figure that out. Their chief mistake lay in assuming that the hardest point (Hawaii) would be avoided because an enemy would want to strike at either the West Coast or the Canal, with the latter more likely because it would create huge problems transferring personnel, supplies, and warships from one ocean to the other. That the Japanese would strike at the hardest point was not expected either. Assuming the Japanese would strike was probably not outside the pale at the time- but knowing exactly where would be a guess, barring a sight of the Japanese fleet before the attack.


20 posted on 11/29/2011 7:53:04 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Mears

Every year just before December 7th these heretofore undiscovered memos seem to surface ... must be a great supply of these heretofore undiscovered memos hidden somewhere. ;-)


21 posted on 11/29/2011 7:53:55 PM PST by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote)
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To: Hojczyk

1941
Wednesday
November 26th

The Japanese naval fleet leaves home port and heads to Hawaii.


22 posted on 11/29/2011 7:55:05 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: Strategerist

You tell the Japanese that you know their fleet is at sea, ready to attack. You position our ships out at sea to intercept the Japanese fleet. You transfer B-17s to MIdway to strike at the Japs..You tell them all this is happening..they withdraw...do we then declare war? nope..


23 posted on 11/29/2011 7:55:43 PM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
FDR was a communist at heart and did not want to see russia go under a great book on this subject is

Day Of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor Robert Stinnett (Author)

24 posted on 11/29/2011 7:56:52 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

War was coming, Pearl Harbor or no Pearl Harbor. The Japanese occupation of French Indo-China, which posed a direct threat to the Phillipines guaranteed that.

Go to the World War II plus 70 years thread on here on FR. By the end of November 1941 it is clear just from publicly available news stories, that war is inevitable. The question is simply when. Japan was not going to withdrawl from French Indo-China and the US, British and Dutch would not end the oil embargo unless they did so. The US Army was trying to get as many reenforcements to the Phillipines as it could, but was running out of time.

FDR did not need or want Pearl Harbor, what he wanted was three to six more months to get our Pacific defenses in shape.

The Japanese didn’t give it.


25 posted on 11/29/2011 7:57:39 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: ElkGroveDan
"what our grandchildren are going to learn"

Those files will have long since been burnt up as firestarter for campfires.

26 posted on 11/29/2011 7:57:52 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: ElkGroveDan
Just imagine what our grandchildren are going to learn 70 years from now about things Obama did or didn’t do.

You are right it will take a long time, but maybe not 70 years. It took about 35-40 years for the biggest dirt on JFK to start to be released, the sexual addiction, the constant pill-popping. I think Obama will be less useful to the Left in a shorter time, and once no one cares any longer, the truth will drip out.

Hell, we may even find out the names of some of his gay lovers, arrests for drugs, membership in some pretty freaky organizations, and how many classes he actually flunked in college.

27 posted on 11/29/2011 8:02:07 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Strategerist

Your comments about the battleships being sunk at sea is interesting as some military historians said that their being sunk at Pearl Harbor was a blessing in disguise. It gave us a chance, behind the cover of the tragedy, to rebuild our fleet in secret, while the aircraft carriers carried the war to the Japanese fleets (an unthought of offensive tactic in the early 1940’s).

Also, we were able to get the fleet out into the Pacific undetected because the Japanese thought that the fleet was beyond repair and that any new construction would take years.

Historians noted that if the original fleet had been saved at Pearl, they would have had to go throw the Japanese submarine fleet, literally from Hawaii to the Philippines/Leyte Gulf, Midway, the Marianas, etc., taking heavy losses along the way to the point that they may not have remained an effective fighting force. There is a book on the Japanese fleet entitled “SUNK”.

As it was, the newer battleships never got into a one-on-one encounter with the main Japanese battleships and cruisers. It was the older, often WW1 battleships/cruisers who dealt the Japanese heavy ships a major defeat somewhere in/near the Philippines.

History is more complicated than one thinks which is why it is so fascinating to work on.


28 posted on 11/29/2011 8:08:32 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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Thanks Hojczyk.

Of course he knew about it. There are of course denialists about FDR's prior knowledge of the December 7th attacks, but it is and has been obvious that he knew in advance.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


29 posted on 11/29/2011 8:10:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Hojczyk

I had an old book (1934) that explained how they would attack. It just didn’t say when.


30 posted on 11/29/2011 8:12:52 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Strategerist

IIRC, the war warnings to hort and Kimmel arrived late..after the attack. But of much greater import, the Ultra messages..we’d cracked the Japanese Naval Code, which warned of the preparations for war, and the attack plans..were NOT disseminated to Short and Kimmel, nor other area commanders....i.e. the Phillipines, because of fear that the Japanese would realzie that we had broken their code...the Japanese believed that it was impossible fr us to crack a code that was based on the original underlying Japanese ideographs in the message..


31 posted on 11/29/2011 8:18:10 PM PST by ken5050 (Support Admin Mods: Doing the tough, hard, dirty jobs that Americans won't do...)
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To: ken5050

The Japanese were going to attack Hawaii come hell or high water. It was only one part of a coordinated series of air strikes and invasions also hitting Malaya, the Phillipines, the Dutch East Indies, Guam, and Wake all within a 12 hour time frame.

Also we did not have the forces to attack Kido Butai available in Hawaii at the time. Nor did we have enough search aircraft available. What we did have were enough fighters (P-40s and P-36s) to severely maul the attack waves as they came in.

But since there was no air warning system set up by the commander of the Hawaiian Department they were useless.


32 posted on 11/29/2011 8:20:08 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Hojczyk

IMHO FDR kknew of the pending attack, that’s why the aircraft carriers were moved out to sea and everything else was left behind.....

The little fascist wanted us in a war to save socialism.


33 posted on 11/29/2011 8:21:11 PM PST by stockpirate (Our republican leadership are all part of the left-wing fascist new world order movement.)
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To: GenXteacher

Japan did not have the resources to attack the West Coast or the Canal Zone. But spies there would be needed to track troop movements and shipping.

The principle Japanese target and headache for the US is the Phillipines, thousands of miles from the US and cut off by the Japanese controlled islands in the Central Pacific.


34 posted on 11/29/2011 8:30:39 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Hojczyk

Kind of like 9-11. All the signs were there. They said as much too, (that they, (AQ) would attack us).


35 posted on 11/29/2011 8:38:16 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (RINO Establishment's next move: State GOP parties boot conservative candidates from future debates)
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To: Hojczyk

Our government is warned about threats all the time. A warning does not mean they can stop all attacks nor that all warnings are measured as most likely to happen in the scheme of national defense.

I’d be surprised if the US was not aware that Japan would hit us if they could.

“Troofers” use kind of nonsense against Bush claiming that since he had a warning mooselimbs might attack, “Cheney knew” and actually did the attack himself. Kooks do the same nonsense against Roosevelt. They take a fact and stretch it into a big politically motivated story.


36 posted on 11/29/2011 8:42:06 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: AmericanInTokyo

War was coming to the Pacific, of that there is no question. Twenty-twenty hindsight and second guessing still have failed to pin actionable and confirmed knowledge of the coming attack on Pearl harbor on FDR. The hard cold fact is that we simply were not prepared mentally to go to war. We had totally underestimated the ability of the Japanese Navy to mount an attack of this magnitude, not unlike our inability to predict that 19 Islamic terrorists would fly commercial airliners into large buildings.


37 posted on 11/29/2011 8:50:11 PM PST by JayVee (Joseph)
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To: stockpirate

No, FDR would have more to gain from an ambush. Not to mention that those battleships were sorely missed during the Guadalcanal campaign.

As I said in a previous post, what FDR really needed in December 1941 was time, which he did not have.

Neither the US Army or US Navy were ready for war in late 1941. We had the men, but not the equipment. It was coming, but not fast enough.


38 posted on 11/29/2011 8:50:51 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Hojczyk

This has been known for years. I’ve heard my dear dad say this ever since I can remember - FDR knew this was coming and wanted us to go to war to lift the economy (and thus look good himself).

FDR was another vile president in the mold of Wilson and Obama.


39 posted on 11/29/2011 8:51:31 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Hojczyk

FDR was dealing with a bunch of Ron Paul types back then (i.e., the entire Republican Party and much of the Democrat party). If he didn’t let Pearl Harbor get whacked, we’d be speaking German today.


40 posted on 11/29/2011 8:51:49 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: SatinDoll

Usually I agree w your posts. But not this time. Why would America think Japan would nibble at our edges and the US not act? War had been going on at a major level since 37. We knew Japan was going to attack us but not where. There’s only so many places an enemy can really hurt you if you think it through. PH was the obvious choice. Japan got suckered into thinking they could get one or two or more of our carriers. It’s the only reason they would’ve attempted the attack. They got played big time.


41 posted on 11/29/2011 8:53:16 PM PST by TwoSwords
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To: Strategerist

this is bs. i agree. there were problems and egos in the intel community in dc vs the other sites. a major paradigm in intel is to look at intentions more than capabilities. given how much damage we did to the second wave just think if they would have heedded the sub sightings and been on full alert when the first wave hit.


42 posted on 11/29/2011 8:53:25 PM PST by bravo whiskey (If the little things really bother you, maybe it's because the big things are going well.)
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To: Hojczyk

“Craig Shirley, author of the just released December 1941, doesn’t blame FDR for blowing it”

He didn’t blow it - he knew exactly what he was doing and he let it happen, to push us into war.


43 posted on 11/29/2011 8:54:23 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: SatinDoll

“Possessing nonspecific intelligence always looks bad when viewed in the rear view mirror. “We should have guessed,” becomes the refrain. But there is really no way to have known and you’ll go crazy trying to cover everything. “

Yea. I’ve always joked about the way they went after Bush on 9-11. They had a quote from Bin Laten that went something like this: “We will hit you when you least expect it, where you least expect it, in a way you’ll never expect”.

From that, the media calls Bush-43 an IDIOT for not connecting the dots and seeing that the message above meant that 20 people were going to hijack jetliners and fly them into buildings.

Yep, hindsight is always easy.


44 posted on 11/29/2011 8:55:15 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: Hojczyk
Wow. what a bombshell. Almost as big as : Presidents Daily Brief ~ Bin Laden Determined to strike in U.S.
45 posted on 11/29/2011 8:55:36 PM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: garjog

Ask Joe Biden.
He saw the whole thing on TV.


46 posted on 11/29/2011 9:02:40 PM PST by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: ken5050

wouldn’t surprise me at all, given the Lusitania, which was eventually found to be carrying armaments, just like the germans said.


47 posted on 11/29/2011 9:13:11 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
*Ping to the professor

Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum

48 posted on 11/29/2011 9:21:45 PM PST by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: Hojczyk

This is old news but is classic political corruption.


49 posted on 11/29/2011 9:30:38 PM PST by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: TwoSwords

I remember reading about a sloop sent by the Navy in and around the Phillipines archipelago in 1941. The Japanese didn’t attack it and instead hit Pearl.

I suspect the Japanese High Command liked to think BIG!

“A sloop! Why bother; we’ll pick it up later.” The captain of that little sloop was in a dicey situation but pulled out OK. Later he said he suspected they were ordered there to be bait.

I think the sacrifice of a few guys on a small boat was what Roosevelt had in mind to ignite a war, not the nearly total destruction of a major naval installation.


50 posted on 11/29/2011 9:42:34 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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