Live Thread - NBC News/Tampa Bay Times GOP debate tonight on NBC

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[TexasFreeper2009]

All four remaining GOP candidates have been confirmed for tonight's debate sponsored by NBC News, the Tampa Bay Times, The National Journal and the Florida Council of 100. The debate will take place at the University of South Florida in Tampa. This will be the first of 2 debates this week focusing on the Florida GOP primary on Tuesday, January 31st. Note the air times on the east and west coast.

Television Air Time: Monday, January 23rd at 9pm ET, 8pm CT and 9pm PT on NBC

Live Streams: (airing 9pm ET) NBCPolitics.com, National Journal, and TampaBay.com

Participants: Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, Paul

[oblomov]

In Newt’s defense, a mandate wasn’t his opinion alone. It was a Heritage Foundation proposal. If anything, he was supporting what he understood conservatives wanted. Since that time, conservative opinion has shifted.

[TheOldLady]

I had been scratching my head over his longevity for a while now, and I believe that it was a righteous ZOT.

[luvie]

Yeah...he worked hard for that one. :)

[uncbob]

If I was Jim Robinson these people would be told ONCE
The next time they post BS when the true facts have been posted many times on this site they are gone

They either know the facts and lack integrity or are just plain stupid

In either case they are not needed here

[Forgiven_Sinner]

From your mouth to God's ears! If you are correct, Newt wins. I do note that the sum does not add to 2200+, the total number of delegates. Here is the sum:

Row Labels	Sum of delegates
?	         576
Disgrace	  50
Newt	        1254
RINO	          93
Santorum	  28
--------------------
Grand Total	2001

[genetic homophobe]

I don’t even recognize this place any more. Conservatives being zotted for accurate comments about Newt.

[LibsRJerks]

Thanks SO much for the info. Would love any links to more information, or book/article suggestions.

As I remember, once Newt left, the GOP turned RINO again, and things started to deteriorate.

Sounds like Newt’s basically an as*kicker and an Establishment buster, and he’s not always nice about it. This type of person will always make enemies of the peopele who just don’t want to work all that hard or come out of their comfort zone. Sounds like a tough teacher who everyone hates, but who you will always remember as the ONE who taught you the most.

[bcsco]

Well, we finally know how Palladin wound up. That 1873 Colt Army Model doesn't stand up well to a ZOT. I think Mr. Palladin had a bad Knight.

Now for some fun...

[hoosiermama]

Every time a few PIA freepers are zotted I've jumped over to freeathon thread and bumped it.....Heck even donated a little extra each month in honor of Bah Bah when one was zotted.

shhh don't tell JR he'll zot more and I won't have ANY discretionary funds left.

[Forgiven_Sinner]

I just found the official delegate count: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-Alloc.phtml

Rank 	State 	Electoral  Delegates 	SubTotal 	Penalty 	Total Delegates At-Large Delegates 	Total Delegates 	
1	Alabama	10	21	3	10	1	2	1	1	1	16	50	 	50
2	Alaska	10	3	3	7	1	 	1	1	1	11	27	 	27
3	American Samoa	6	 	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	9	 	9
4	Arizona	10	27	3	12	1	2	1	1	1	18	58	50%	29
5	Arkansas	10	12	3	9	 	1	1	 	 	11	36	 	36
6	California	10	159	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	172	 	172
7	Colorado	10	21	3	 	 	 	1	1	 	2	36	 	36
8	Connecticut	10	15	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	28	 	28
9	Delaware	10	3	3	 	 	 	1	 	 	1	17	 	17
10	District of Columbia	16	 	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	19	 	19
11	Florida	10	81	3	 	1	1	1	1	1	5	99	50%	50
12	Georgia	10	42	3	15	1	2	1	1	1	21	76	 	76
13	Guam	6	 	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	9	 	9
14	Hawaii	10	6	3	 	 	 	1	 	 	1	20	 	20
15	Idaho	10	6	3	7	1	2	1	1	1	13	32	 	32
16	Illinois	10	54	3	 	 	1	1	 	 	2	69	 	69
17	Indiana	10	27	3	 	1	2	1	1	1	6	46	 	46
18	Iowa	10	12	3	 	1	1	 	1	 	3	28	 	28
19	Kansas	10	12	3	9	1	2	1	1	1	15	40	 	40
20	Kentucky	10	18	3	10	 	2	1	1	 	14	45	 	45
21	Louisiana	10	18	3	10	1	1	1	1	1	15	46	 	46
22	Maine	10	6	3	 	1	2	 	1	1	5	24	 	24
23	Maryland	10	24	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	37	 	37
24	Massachusetts	10	27	3	 	 	1	 	 	 	1	41	 	41
25	Michigan	10	42	3	 	1	 	1	1	1	4	59	50%	30
26	Minnesota	10	24	3	 	 	 	1	1	1	3	40	 	40
27	Mississippi	10	12	3	9	1	2	1	1	1	15	40	 	40
28	Missouri	10	24	3	11	 	1	1	1	1	15	52	 	52
29	Montana	10	3	3	7	 	 	1	1	1	10	26	 	26
30	Nebraska	10	9	3	8	1	1	1	1	1	13	35	 	35
31	Nevada	10	12	3	 	1	1	1	 	 	3	28	 	28
32	New Hampshire	10	6	3	 	 	1	1	1	1	4	23	50%	12
33	New Jersey	10	36	3	 	1	 	 	 	 	1	50	 	50
34	New Mexico	10	9	3	 	1	 	 	 	 	1	23	 	23
35	New York	10	81	3	 	 	 	 	1	 	1	95	 	95
36	North Carolina	10	39	3	 	 	1	 	1	1	3	55	 	55
37	North Dakota	10	3	3	7	1	1	1	1	1	12	28	 	28
38	Northern Marianas	6	 	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	9	 	9
39	Ohio	10	48	3	 	1	1	1	1	1	5	66	 	66
40	Oklahoma	10	15	3	9	1	2	1	1	1	15	43	 	43
41	Oregon	10	15	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	28	 	28
42	Pennsylvania	10	54	3	 	1	1	1	1	1	5	72	 	72
43	Puerto Rico	20	 	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	23	 	23
44	Rhode Island	10	6	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	19	 	19
45	South Carolina	10	21	3	10	1	2	1	1	1	16	50	50%	25
46	South Dakota	10	3	3	7	1	1	1	1	1	12	28	 	28
47	Tennessee	10	27	3	12	1	2	1	1	1	18	58	 	58
48	Texas	10	108	3	28	1	2	1	1	1	34	155	 	155
49	Utah	10	12	3	9	1	2	1	1	1	15	40	 	40
50	Vermont	10	3	3	 	1	 	 	 	 	1	17	 	17
51	Virgin Islands	6	 	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	9	 	9
52	Virginia	10	33	3	 	1	 	1	1	 	3	49	 	49
53	Washington	10	30	3	 	 	 	 	 	 	 	43	 	43
54	West Virginia	10	9	3	8	 	 	1	 	 	9	31	 	31
55	Wisconsin	10	24	3	 	1	1	1	1	1	5	42	 	42
56	Wyoming	10	3	3	7	1	2	1	1	1	13	29	 	29
Totals	560	1,305	168	221	30	46	36	34	29	396	2,429	 	2,286
Rank 	State 	At-Large
Delegates 	District
Delegates 	Party
Leaders 	President 	Governor 	U.S.
Senate 	U.S.
House 	One
Chamber 	All
Chambers 	Total
Bonus 	Pre-Penalty
SubTotal 	Penalty 	Total
Delegates
  

[untwist]

You are right! In the late 90’s when Clinton was mired in scandal after scandal after scandal, the democrats never left him. I remember the media speculating when will the democrat congressional leaders climb into the black sedan and make that trip to Pennsylvania Ave. (as the GOP did to Nixon in ‘74). Never happened, and the the reprobate Clinton is today a well-respected, beloved statesman.

If the republicans had shown even an iota of the support for Gingrich that the democrats showed for the impeached reprobate, we would not have had the backslide that started in ‘99 after Newt’s departure and led over time to such disastrous leadership that we ended up with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker.

[oblomov]

>>It is scary how many respectable conservatives have either rejected Gingrich, or worse started to come out endorsing Romney.

I try to look on the bright side. The Romney endorsements by National Review and commentators like Coulter have allowed me to shorten my reading list considerably.

[Fawn]

I agree with you 100%. Newt needs to explain this fannie freddie thing...and I hate to say it but it sure does look like was a consultant....

[Fawn]

I agree with you 100%. Newt needs to explain this fannie freddie thing...and I hate to say it but it sure does look like HE was a consultant....

[CPT Clay]

Bingo, they knew it wouldn’t work.

[CPT Clay]

Everyone needs to send NBC and Brian Williams a message, congratulating them for having a two-hour presidential debate without even once mentioning the incumbent president.

The White House already has.

[nutmeg]

See animation in #1349

[kabar]

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You have qualifying service in the U.S. armed forces and meet all other eligibility requirements.

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Naturalization through Qualifying Service during Periods of Hostilities

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In general, an applicant for naturalization under INA 329 must:

Have served honorably in active-duty status, or as a member of the Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve, for any amount of time during a designated period of hostilities and, if separated from the U.S. armed forces, have been separated honorably

Have been lawfully admitted as a permanent resident at any time after enlistment or induction, OR have been physically present in the United States or certain territories at the time of enlistment or induction (regardless of whether the applicant was admitted as a permanent resident)

Be able to read, write, and speak basic English Have a knowledge of U.S. history and government (civics) Have been a person of good moral character during all relevant periods under the law

Have an attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution and be well disposed to the good order and happiness of the U.S. during all relevant periods under the law

There are also peacetime provisions, which don't apply presently since we are in a period of hostilities.

[lonevoice]

Well done and very informative, thank you.

Something else I'd like to see a spotlight on is the July 1997 GOP-attempted coup to force Newt from his speakership position. The four ringleaders were Bill Paxon, Tom DeLay, Dick Armey, and none other than John Boehner who played perhaps the largest role.

It was Dick Armey's chief of staff who blew the whistle on it and informed Speaker Gingrich that the coup was to take place the following day. Gingrich called a meeting with the schemers, letting them know they were busted. Bill Paxon was the only one Newt was able to strip of his position, since he was the only one Newt had appointed, while the others were elected.

To say there is no love lost between Gingrich and Boehner would be a huge understatement. As the saying goes, when you plot to kill the king, be sure you leave him dead. The prospect of Gingrich returning to power, this time as POTUS, must be John Boehner's worst nightmare. For Newt, it may be a case of revenge being a dish best served cold. Paybacks are a bitch, and I have a feeling that Speaker Gingrich can hold a grudge for a very long time.

I think this is just one of the things that has the GOP Establishment, including John Boehner and his cronies, in an absolute panic.

[lonevoice]

I try to look on the bright side. The Romney endorsements by National Review and commentators like Coulter have allowed me to shorten my reading list considerably

Good point, LOL! And, for me, the Gingrich endorsements from the likes of Fred Thompson, Sarah Palin, Rick Perry, and Michael Reagan confirmed who is worthy of serious attention.