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Military Is Telling Catholic Chaplains What They Can And Can't Say About the Obama Administration
Business Insider ^ | Feb 3, 2012 | Michael Brendan Dougherty

Posted on 02/04/2012 10:25:49 AM PST by bkopto

The emerging conflict between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration may have a new front: in the U.S. military itself.

The Catholic Church is fighting mad about an HHS ruling that would have them buy insurance for things they consider sinful–contraception, sterilization and abortion.

All the bishops in the country sent out a letter to be read in their parishes promising that the Church "cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law."

Even Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains sent out the same letter.

But after he did, the Army's Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.

More than one Catholic chaplain who spoke to us off the record confirmed that many chaplains disobeyed this instruction and read the letter anyway.

SNIP

The letter also tries to clarify to priests that the Archbishop's letter "concerns a moral, not a political issue."

While it is true that soldiers do not have an unlimited right to free speech or political action, the military does not want to strain relations with the Catholic Church and its chaplains who provide services to many service members of all faiths.

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To: redgolum

You could agree to the unconstitutional censorship of religion to keep your job so that you could quietly minister the truth to our soldiers. I think that is a morally virtuous position for anyone willing to risk getting caught. The troops need pastors more than most people do. The beauty is that for Catholics, aven if a pastor is required to shut up, we all know that Rome is where to find the authoritative interpretation of scripture. This fact will serve mankind well when things get really bad - Rome has preserved and passed on the Truth for 2000 years and her predecessor Israel preserved it before then. Nobama and satans other friends won’t be able to defeat Christ’s Church headquartered in Rome - Hitler couldn’t do it, Napoleon couldn’t, Henry VII couldn’t, Castro couldn’t, the ChiComs can’t.

Amen!

Amen!

Amen!


151 posted on 02/05/2012 12:53:07 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: hoosiermama

chuckle.


152 posted on 02/05/2012 1:07:16 PM PST by tillacum
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To: xzins

That was the time George Bush #1 was president. If I remember correctly he couched a phrase which meant, “one world government”, at the moment I cannot recall exactly the phrase, but I know what it meant.


153 posted on 02/05/2012 1:10:28 PM PST by tillacum
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To: tillacum

New world order


154 posted on 02/05/2012 1:11:54 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: hoosiermama

I have alinsky’s book. I’ll do it everytime I see it.


155 posted on 02/05/2012 1:12:14 PM PST by tillacum
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To: Notwithstanding

THAT IS CORRECT. Thank you...Now we are seeing another portion of it.


156 posted on 02/05/2012 1:16:19 PM PST by tillacum
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To: tillacum; Mountain Mary

Great!

MM Follow the comments back


157 posted on 02/05/2012 1:17:28 PM PST by hoosiermama (FR Unite... Get active contacting MSM, RNC. etc... freepmail : Mountain Mary.)
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To: Notwithstanding

Off to check on my worm farm. Have some goodies to feed the little squirmy critters. Lots of rnc shredded begging letters, our local rag, advertising, and kitchen scraps.


158 posted on 02/05/2012 1:18:42 PM PST by tillacum
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To: xzins

This issue (and eliminating the conscience clause for Catholic hospitals related to abortion and contraception) will go to the SCOTUS.

The 1st Amendment is a fundamental expressed right to freedom of religion that has always applied to Chaplains since the founding.

There is no fundamental (expressed or otherwise) right to have other people pay for your choice to use contraception, be sterilized, or kill your fetus. And I don’t think this SCOTUS will find one in some shadow or corner.

Let’s pray none of the good ones dies while obamaSatan is still in office.


159 posted on 02/05/2012 1:19:33 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: RJS1950

Then they should be able to speak about the evil of forcing people to commit abortions.

Are they not allowed to also state factual information such as “The federal government is now forcing people to commit abortions”?


160 posted on 02/05/2012 1:37:53 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: verga

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.

BLESSED BE THE WORD OF THE LORD.

BLESSED BE THE WAYS OF THE LORD.


Thanks for your kind reply.

May He guide and protect you and those you love in these darkening times.


161 posted on 02/05/2012 1:41:53 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Vaduz

I hope so.

On the other hand, I’m almost convinced that whatever comes after him will be worse in some unforeseen ways.


162 posted on 02/05/2012 1:44:20 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: xzins
The Chief blew this one big time. The Chief should have said, “No Catholic doctor, nurse, medical assistant, or medic should participate in any of these procedures due to their still legal religious beliefs.”

I think it was in Desert Storm that Chaplains were told to remove their crosses since they might offend muslims. That was “official”. Some wise lead chaplain called it BS and stood his ground until the crosses went back on.

Now that was leadership.

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AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

!ABSOLUTELY INDEED!

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163 posted on 02/05/2012 1:47:17 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Notwithstanding

But the rank and file don’t look to Rome, they look to their priest/pastor. Such is as it has always been.

The big question is how far is the US Catholic church willing to press this. It very well could result in lossing all of their money.


164 posted on 02/05/2012 1:47:32 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wagglebee

I’ve been saying for a long time that it’s becoming increasingly necessary for orthodox Catholics and Protestants to get along with each other, because it won’t be long before our common enemy puts us in jail cells and gulags together.


That’s increasingly true, imho.


165 posted on 02/05/2012 1:48:40 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tillacum

I think coy and cute does not work for someone

with her dead eyes, fangs, horns and forked tail.


166 posted on 02/05/2012 1:50:02 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tillacum

Wellllllll

with the first big looming close at hand . . .

—quake
—terror attack
—WW3
—martial law

The churches will be filled . . . for a while . . . before they are driven underground.


167 posted on 02/05/2012 1:53:41 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

So are you ready to cease the silly name calling?


168 posted on 02/05/2012 1:55:31 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: tillacum

Bush Sr—who’s grandfather or father funded Hitler and insured Hitler’s success as a globalist even back then

used the same phrase they globalists have been using for at least 60 years . . .

“NEW WORLD ORDER”

Isn’t it on our money?

Actually it’s not so new—goes back to the satanic worship of Babylon.

Sigh.


169 posted on 02/05/2012 1:57:23 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
It may not even be under Obama, but without a restoration of religious liberty it will happen.
170 posted on 02/05/2012 1:57:23 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: redgolum

My point is this: It will be good for some Catholic military chaplains who boldly defy orders that defy First Ámendment rights, but it will also be good to have Catholic military chaplains who stay and run an underground Truth ministry.

My point is also that in this day and age, the Catholic faithful who want the Truth can always find it, even if their commanders (or the stasi) try to keep it from them.

Unity under one earhtly pastor is a wondrous gift Christ gave us!


171 posted on 02/05/2012 2:04:21 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: don-o

Thanks for saying what had to be said.


172 posted on 02/05/2012 2:06:49 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: don-o

It’s shorthand for many paragraphs.

It’s well warranted given the hot pokers in the Proddys eyes on the part of such a sizeable contingent of RC’s.

It’s a suitable warning to lurkers of the horrifics of some of the RC dogmatic stuff.


However, RC’s who pay attention might have noticed that when y’all’s side plays nice, I tend to play nice at least as much if not twice as much as they do.


173 posted on 02/05/2012 2:07:30 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: wagglebee

There’s a report that he wants the Mark of the Beast ID chip implant implanted in all native born Americans [gross hypocritic jerk]

by the END OF 2012.


174 posted on 02/05/2012 2:08:27 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

So. I take your answer to my simple question to be, “no”?

Color me, not surprised.


175 posted on 02/05/2012 2:11:07 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: don-o

Why would any Catholic ally himself with a craven presbyterian guy who constantly mocks Catholicism and spreads lies about us and our priests and our doctrines?


176 posted on 02/05/2012 2:17:08 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: Notwithstanding
Presbyterian?

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About as accurate as your theology and dogma.

177 posted on 02/05/2012 2:33:12 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: don-o

Depends.


178 posted on 02/05/2012 2:33:43 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: butterdezillion
This is the Holocaust all over again. We are in the beginning stages of the Holocaust, and most people don’t see it even though their guts feel queasy and they can’t quite pinpoint why.

Well, first off, they are going after people who have faith, especially Jews and Christians, deeming them as second class citizens. If the Mooselimbs get their way with Sharia Law, their liberal buddies will be in for a shock and you'll have Holocaust II.
179 posted on 02/05/2012 3:15:54 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Holodeck Computer: End Obama Administration simulation program, NOW!!!!)
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To: Notwithstanding

Naw. Not Presby. More like a non-denom pente and pseudo-prophet with a gnostic streak.

Definitely ignorable..


180 posted on 02/05/2012 3:23:03 PM PST by OpusatFR
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To: tillacum
Nowhere man...not only sugar but tobacco, where can one smoke anymore, too much salt in the food, too many carbs in the school’s cafeteria and money machines, only lean meat is good for you, only certain oils are good, need I go on? Pretty soon they’re going to tell us which side of the bed to get out of.

Yeah, I'm getting tired of it. It reminds me of the last scene in "Demolition Man" (set in 2032) where the underground people came above ground demanding their freedom, one driving a 1970 Oldsmobile 442.

Getting back to the subject, I admire people who serve in the military and my hats off to them. The downside is they are serving an America that really no longer exists or at least is being transformed. We are not the nation of World War II or even the 1970's/1980's era of "Baseball, hotdogs, apple pie and Chevrolet" anymore.

I'm 45 so I'm past the age, but I cannot join the military today in good conscience (besides, I'm too much of a renegade to begin with, but that aside) because I might be ordered to do something bad and not within our Constitution. I know men who served in Vietnam and later who even said that the way things are now, they would disown any of their kids (even beat them up too) if they would join and if there was a draft, they would send them to Canada, Costa Rica, and so on. I do understand their cynicism, I'm a cynic myself. Still if we were attacked, they would most likely join the unorganized militias instead like the Ohio Militia and so on.

It's a shame really. B-(
181 posted on 02/05/2012 4:03:13 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Holodeck Computer: End Obama Administration simulation program, NOW!!!!)
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To: xzins

This is disgusting!...And now he wants to cut combat pay for anyone who is not being shot at...as if the lines were so clearly drawn!


182 posted on 02/05/2012 4:40:28 PM PST by LiteKeeper ("Who is John Galt?")
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To: LiteKeeper

We both know there is no such thing as “enemy lines” anymore, and especially in the current situation.

Had a young man sent home last month with both legs blown off in an IED explosion against a vehicle.

We all know that the huge portion of deaths injuries in the insurgent phase of Iraq were to troops in convoy.

One of the problems with a commander in chief who has never been there is that he doesn’t have a clue. If he’s so sure of this, then let him go to Afghan without his retainers and guards and mount up in a convoy of transporters.


183 posted on 02/05/2012 5:12:36 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: RJS1950

There is no problem with any soldier (chaplain included) saying that a policy from any administration is screwed up.

What they can’t do is speak contemptuously of the Commander in Chief. It is not contempt to say that a president is wrong.

If soldiers can’t complain about their highers, then every army we’ve ever had would’ve been drawn and quarters. Complaining about higher is second only to complaining about food. It’s what soldiers do.


184 posted on 02/05/2012 5:20:24 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: RJS1950

There is no problem with any soldier (chaplain included) saying that a policy from any administration is screwed up.

What they can’t do is speak contemptuously of the Commander in Chief. It is not contempt to say that a president is wrong.

If soldiers can’t complain about their higher, then every army we’ve ever had would’ve been drawn and quartered. Complaining about higher is second only to complaining about food. It’s what soldiers do.


185 posted on 02/05/2012 5:21:23 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Quix

lol, Quiz, now I know why she teases her hair to hide the horns and slacks, to hide the tail. Thank you. Yes, her fangs show, and those eyes....ugh.


186 posted on 02/05/2012 5:21:36 PM PST by tillacum
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To: Quix

HOLY SMOKES, (I used to be one) I didn’t know that. I’ve always thought they were a pure red blooded American family. So the phrase goes back a couple of generations.


187 posted on 02/05/2012 5:28:49 PM PST by tillacum
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To: xzins

I agree. Unfortunately, with this crop of republican candidates for president, NOT ONE, has worn the uniform of our country, except Ron Paul, and he doesn’t care for the military. I think the military may have paid for his medical education. He served 5 years and that’s the minimun service Drs serve for the military paying for their education. He proudly said “he was called and he went, even though he was married and had 2 kids. My reason for this opinion.


188 posted on 02/05/2012 5:34:03 PM PST by tillacum
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To: OpusatFR

Nice to see you pay so much attention.

Well put.

Not that I agree 100% but still above average put.


189 posted on 02/05/2012 7:11:39 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tillacum

I’m fairly certain it goes back 60-110 years.

Certainly 60 years, imho.

And, the movement . . . goes back 400 years.

There’s plausible evidence it goes back to the elites of Rome.

Money and Power has learned over the centuries ways to mostly hold onto . . .

money and power—at least within the extended family and then the extended club of elites.


190 posted on 02/05/2012 7:14:30 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tillacum

The bit about Granddad B funding Hitler was documented by Congress.

I’m sure dogpile.com could find it.


191 posted on 02/05/2012 7:15:29 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: xzins

That is exactly my concern. There are no “front lines” - the threat is everywhere. There is no such thing as “those who are being fired at” and “those that are not being shot at.” What foolishness!!!


192 posted on 02/05/2012 8:57:34 PM PST by LiteKeeper ("Who is John Galt?")
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To: OpusatFR; wagglebee; NYer; Salvation; Mad Dawg; johngrace
This is what we are up against . . . as agents of satan himself:

139."The distribution of birth control devices and the imposition of mandatory abortion practices in the third world countries is now ecologically insufficient and unfairly out of world social balance. The white, upper and middle class females of modern society are too healthy and fertile to be exempted from some imposed regulation of international law or mandate. An American born child is environmentally too expensive to maintain to his or her adulthood in a world economy. American women must be subjected to some manner of regulation beyond licensing or immediate and mandatory abortion practices. Unconventional and extreme measures must be implemented and enforced by global U.N. mandate as it is deemed necessary.

The bodies of these world eco-criminals should be commercially yielded [rendered--turned into constituent parts] for reintroduction in the world's natural systemic food and nutrient chains, in order to restore a more natural biological balance and order to our Sacred Earth." -- Jacques Cousteau, in his address to the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, 1992.

.

Ain't that sweet in behalf of mother earth? Gag.

from:

http://twoday.net/static/omega/files/quotes_from_people_who_consider_us_subjects.htm

193 posted on 02/05/2012 9:15:39 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

Yikes! Jacque of all people!! I remember those great sea shows!


194 posted on 02/06/2012 2:09:10 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Quix

Yikes! Jacque of all people!! I remember those great sea shows!


195 posted on 02/06/2012 2:09:10 AM PST by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Quix

If that is the case about America’s healthy women and abortion, how about the muslim women popping out children like popcorn?


196 posted on 02/06/2012 5:25:01 AM PST by tillacum
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To: johngrace

INDEED.

However, the Marxist globalist socialist propagandists have always known how to feed bread and circuses to distract the masses.


197 posted on 02/06/2012 8:30:11 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tillacum

The Muzzies are scheduled for extermination by the

Marxist globalist socialists, too—perhaps more than most others because they know that the Muzzies are amongst the least assimilatable percentage wise, I’d guess.

The PTB have set it up so the ‘Christian’ [former] nations and the Muzzies and the Chinese and Ruskies will be destroying each other . . . which is what the globalists want, in large part.


198 posted on 02/06/2012 8:31:55 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tillacum

The Muzzies are scheduled for extermination by the

Marxist globalist socialists, too—perhaps more than most others because they know that the Muzzies are amongst the least assimilatable percentage wise, I’d guess.

The PTB have set it up so the ‘Christian’ [former] nations and the Muzzies and the Chinese and Ruskies will be destroying each other . . . which is what the globalists want, in large part.


199 posted on 02/06/2012 8:34:09 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: tillacum

The Muzzies are scheduled for extermination by the

Marxist globalist socialists, too—perhaps more than most others because they know that the Muzzies are amongst the least assimilatable percentage wise, I’d guess.

The PTB have set it up so the ‘Christian’ [former] nations and the Muzzies and the Chinese and Ruskies will be destroying each other . . . which is what the globalists want, in large part.


200 posted on 02/06/2012 8:37:50 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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