Posted on 06/07/2012 10:04:52 PM PDT by neverdem
Big news about the Obama Administration's “Fast and Furious” scandal broke earlier this week, when the House Oversight committee finally got its hands on some of the documents it subpoenaed long ago – specifically, a set of wiretap applications that prove high officials at the Justice Department were very well aware of the deadly “gun walking” tactics that put American weapons into the hands of Mexican drug cartel killers. Attorney General Eric Holder has always maintained that knowledge of these tactics did not reach the upper echelons of his department.
The revelation of documents shredding Holder's claims stirred some in the Republican leadership to begin taking the idea of filing contempt of Congress charges against the Attorney General more seriously. Justice sent a letter to the House Republican leadership on Tuesday, offering to work out a deal for releasing some of the “Fast and Furious” information covered by those long-defied subpoenas. As House Oversight chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) said in an angry letter challenging Holder's honesty, it's increasingly clear why he doesn't want congressional investigators to see the documents he is refusing to hand over.
It turns out that Issa didn't get those bombshell wiretap applications because Holder suddenly decided to comply with the subpoenas, and dribble out some useful material. It seems the House Oversight committee has a “mole” in the Justice Department, who surreptitiously gave the wiretap documentation to House investigators.
In a Fox News interview on Wednesday, Issa said he would not reveal the identity of his source for the documents, pointing out that other “Fast and Furious” whistleblowers have experienced retaliation from their superiors, particularly at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives:
On Thursday, The Hill reported that Justice is angry about the document leak, although no decision about finding and punishing the mole has been made yet:
“Chairman Issa's letter makes clear that sealed court documents relating to pending federal prosecutions being handled by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of California have been disclosed to the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform in violation of law,” wrote Deputy Attorney General James Cole to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and Issa this week.
“This is of great concern to us,” the letter added.
There isn't much chance that Justice will file any sort of charges against Issa or the rest of the House Oversight Committee, but the whistleblower who handed over the sealed documents could be prosecuted, and ultimately imprisoned. House Oversight members have been careful not to release specific information from the sealed documents to the public.
Leaving the mole alone would make Justice look bad. The Attorney General's excuse for defying congressional subpoenas has always involved claiming that an internal DOJ investigation into Operation Fast and Furious is still ongoing (and has now ostensibly been in progress far longer than the investigation into John F. Kennedy's assassination.) Also, he says the requested documents are relevant to ongoing criminal prosecutions, which would be ruined if judicial seals on the documents were violated.
If either of these defenses is to be taken seriously, the whistleblower has jeopardized both the fabled “internal investigation” and those criminal prosecutions, so he or she must be found and punished. It remains an open question who the Justice Department might still be trying to prosecute in relation to Fast and Furious, since one major component of the outrage is that most of the high-value targets were already well-known criminals. Some of them actually turned out to be FBI informants. Several were caught and released by ATF on multiple occasions. How can every scrap of the paperwork mountain House Oversight wants Holder to hand over be tied up in an active criminal case that was in progress over eight months ago, when the subpoenas were issued, and is still percolating along today?
On the other hand, if Justice roots out the House Oversight source and levels serious charges, it's likely to enrage both members of Issa's committee and the Republican leadership. It might even draw the attention of a press corps that has generally worked very hard at not noticing the Attorney General of the United States misleading Congress to cover up an operation whose true goals remain the subject of debate, and whose result was hundreds of dead Mexican citizens, plus slain American law enforcement agents.
It is vitally important to learn who initiated this program, and why. It's equally important to pin down exactly when top Justice officials, including Eric Holder himself, became aware of "gun walking" tactics, and why they didn't put a stop them instantly. It could not be more clear that Holder will never produce documented answers to those questions voluntarily.
Oh brother... I have said it is quite possible that the CIA helped assist with the arming of the Zetas.
What you can’t seem to do is explain how the CIA would be clueless about arming the Sinaloas during Fast and Furious.
It is very very odd that you would be on the bandwagon of a CIA conspiracy about arming the Zetas..but think it is ludicrous that the CIA would know about Fast and Furious.
Here is a clue...since you don’t seem to know the history of the CIA...it’s not inconceivable that they would arm both sides.
What is inconceivable is that they wouldn’t know what was happening with the Drug Lords and the arming of them with US guns.
Odd disinformation campaign you are running...
I quoted an article using your sources to show that what you said wasn't supported by them. I didn't get on any bandwagon.
...but think it is ludicrous that the CIA would know about Fast and Furious.
I never said they didn't know about I said it was absurd to think they were part of it.
You drug this discussion over here from another thread so that no one here would know what was said before. Is that an Alinsky tactic or just garden variety hucksterism?
NOT A CHANCE. They have pigmentation immunity from any and all crimes committed in office or otherwise.
I am astounded at the depths of your deception.
For anyone who is happening to come to this thread via Google.. watch out for those with intent to deceive..
btw
This is what I said when I posted the link:
“Might I remind you that the vicious Zetas are rivals of Sinaloa.” And the article says exactly that.
I don’t know what you are up to in this disinformation campaign..but if the CIA was arming the Zetas..it is not nutty or kooky or outlandish to think they could do the same with the Sinaloas.
Anyone who is intentionally disingenuous, like you have been, raises a red flag to me.
I never said it was. I said it was absurd, IMO, to think the CIA was involved in F&F.
You lie a lot you know that?
Thanks neverdem.
And Obama’s and Holder’s Fast and Furious program uses numerous mules.
Talk about projection. I have nothing to hide. I didn't drag a conversation to a new thread to play hide&seek games with the truth. Here is where it all started for anyone who is masochistic enough to read it all.
“Funny that you didn’t notice that I’m not the one pushing the kooky CIA theories.”
Something is off with you. Not sure what it is..but something is very odd with you pushing the CIA/Zetas line but claiming that the idea that the CIA was involved with arming the Sinaloas is Kooky.
New Documents Show Senior DOJ Officials Were Informed of Gunwalking in Fast and Furious
I'm not participating in your attempt to deceive everyone here anymore.
In my head I know you’re right...but in my heart I want them punished.
Know anything about Richmor Aviation???
Tail Number N987SA
Ever heard of Rendition flights???
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/31/us-firms-torture-flights-rendition
Tail Number N987SA went to Guantanamo Bay, did it not???
Sold a few weeks before it crash landed. Sold TWICE
The one that had about 4 tons of cocaine??
The plane that Mexican Authorities say was bought by the Sinaloas???
But hey, according to you it is KOOKY to think the CIA would be involved with the Sinaloas . Or at least that is the disinformation game you are playing...
oh, btw, the sale of the mysterious aircraft to the Sinaloas involved a known CIA operative (and DEA) by the name of Vega.
Ever heard of Operation Gambit?
But I guess your disinformation campaign will still claim it is Kooky to think that the CIA was involved in arming the Sinaloas.
And here is one more thing...
http://www.narconews.com/Issue49/article2989.html
Read it carefully before you continue your disinformation campaign.
Well well well..just who is reading this thread.
A document that I found yesterday that was given to the European Parliament about CIA rendition activities has been scrubbed of the net in less than 24 hours.
Or at least someone has made it more difficult to find.
But still no explanation from you as to why you are spreading disinformation about the CIA and the link to the Sinaloas.
Just how did the Sinaloas get an aircraft that had been used to transport detainees to Guantanamo????
Here is my comment to the black ops guys...hey, I know you have to do all kinds of sordid things in the name of furthering the goals of the US..whatever they may be..no matter how questionable they may be..some go right..some go wrong. I know you have to fund those activities.
But arming violent and vicious Drug cartels that can easily walk across the border is pretty damn stupid.
Hope you get a plan figured out on that one!
Oh, and I have no problem with the CIA torturing terrorists to get info. Rock On....
“No, but the 3rd Reich wasn’t tried by their own government either.”
Right, that is my point. What controlling legal authority will hold this current US government accountable for its corruption?
The intent of our founders was for the people to be represented by the government and have the power to correct it by the soap box and ballot box.
The propaganda media controls most of the soap box, and the ballot box has become useless due to fraud, and the Going On Progressive party thrusting clowns like McCain and Romney upon us.
It appears to me that a messy constitutional crisis brought upon by martial law might actually be more beneficial to cleansing this country of corruption than the election of Romney.
The preferred solution if peaceful correction by due process, but history shows that tyranny must be dealt with by more extreme measures in this imperfect world.
I pray that I am wrong, but I think too many Americans are willfully ignorant of just how morally bankrupt our leadership has become. This normalcy bias led to the destruction (and subsequent rebuilding) of Germany.
Lets pray America takes a different path.
I pray that I am wrong, but I think too many Americans are willfully ignorant of just how morally bankrupt our leadership has become.
Therein lies one of the biggest problems we face and it's easy to be willfully ignorant when most of the press are seditious traitors who paint a fairy tale picture of what's going on.
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