Skip to comments.EDITORIAL: The Civil War of 2016: U.S. military officers are told to plan to fight Americans
Posted on 08/08/2012 4:50:24 PM PDT by EveningStar
Imagine Tea Party extremists seizing control of a South Carolina town and the Army being sent in to crush the rebellion. This farcical vision is now part of the discussion in professional military circles.
At issue is an article in the respected Small Wars Journal titled Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A Vision of the Future.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...
“Going back to an 1800’s technology also means going back to an 1800’s population.”
Actually, it would have to rise back UP to an 1800s population.
The massive dislocation die-off might take us well below sustainable 1800s pop. levels.
How do you explain the COL’s obvious derangement or motivation, in naming a regional and ethnic “National Villain” in this scenario, instead of a generic “Pineland Liberation Army” as has been the protocal?
Was his half-byline hijacked?
I rule out just plain stupid.
Fancy, pedigreed and degreed stupid, maybe.
“Think about that for a while.”
And sometimes “emergency orders” and “decrees” are not announced publicly at all.
That is, the FBI could turn into the KGB, and we would not be informed, until we noticed that some posters were no longer posting in places like this one.
338: A great caliber, another great post.
Obama is getting scared.
I reported you to Admin after you added me to the list. Is that still okay?
What did the Admin say?
But, a possible outcome.
Admin almost never speaks to me. Sigh... ;-)
I can’t argue with that. These COUNTRY CLUB REPUBLICANS are in a complete tizzie because of the tea party. Most often, their “LIBERAL LITE” politicians are being beat by conservative “NO BODIES”, This is why I’ve quit giving money to the RNC. I remember when these “REPUBLICANS” scuttled a conservative over a “LIBERAL LITE” republican in New York State. When the conservative won, the “LIBERAL LITE” backed the democrat. There is a new wind blowing and these people had better sign up with us or get out of the party.
I imagine there would be quite a few outsiders waiting in the wings for the opportunity to waltz in and plant their flag.
When did he enlist?
"My son is doing his duty, which basically breaks down to obeying the lawful orders of his immediate superiors."
There are no lawful orders when the commander-in-chief is unlawful. All command authority is derived from the CIC.
Which, as past experience shows, they can rely on a LOT.
Anyone that is hoping the American people will remove the blinders and start thinking for themselves is deluded.
Yes, I know that you do. You're a great bunch of guys and gals. ;-) Saved my bacon more than once, I'll tell you what.
It might be worse or just as bad most other places.
Who would be in a position to take full advantage, so secure at home were they? Naturally, their agents and sabateurs might be given free reign to cause maximum mischief.
Rules 308/300/338. I like them all. :)
And, yes, it will be an uncivilized bloody mess.
PJTV doing rapid response New Media, and Bill Whittle plugs the oathkeepers.
1. US cannot even win against the Islamist insurgents in over 10 years of fighting.
Who says that US is not winning against the Islamist insurgents? In fact, US has killed them by hundrends of thousands and have weakened them considerably. The only reason the fighting is continuing, apart from the fact that they keep coming from non-fight-zones such as Saudi Arabia, is that US is really benefiting from the managed-scale insurgencies -- this is the war of the future, so honing the skills ain't bad at all. A decade of experience in fighting urban insurgency will compliment tremendous air and naval superiority of the US military.
2. Even those 2 Washington DC shooters paralyzed the entire region, so imagine the terror unleashed by thousands of insurgents.
The population might have been paralyzed, but the military will not be. In fact, a paralyzed population will make things easier for the military to wipe out the insurgents. The paralyzed population will follow curfews, so insurgents will be much easier to locate using thermal/infrared imagery.
3. The military supply chain will be severely disrupted by armed uprising, thus preventing the military from mobilizing effectively.
Although the military supply chain will be severely disrupted, the civilian supply chain will be even more so! Without wal-marts stocked in every town, the docile population will flee to the urban areas for basic sustenance. Those with the supplies are survivalists and those are in remote areas. THe military can carpet bomb those areas, leaving the survivalists dead in their dungeons.
I think one of the better arguments against sustained insurgency is that half of the aged insurgent population will be dead before the nightfall after an insurgency. The aged folks will be the brains behind insurgency (ala mullahs), but they are kept alive by daily doses of medical cocktails. A week/month/year after the insurgency, no more medicine to keep them viable.
And beside all of the speculation, all we have to do is look at China to see how armed insurgency can be kept under total control if the military is powerful enough. Look at West China where restive population of Muslims are kept under complete control by the Chinese military. The US military has even more resources to do it.
” - - - yes, it will be an uncivilized bloody mess.”
This would be the goal of Communist Obama. He would be delighted to encourage us to destroy what “somebody else made that happen.”
Keep in mind that Obama flunked kindergarten, so he is just a little bit smarter than the average journalist. His sole purpose in life is to destroy America, as well as all of his former classmates who got better grades than he did.
If Romney wins, Obama will pardon all of the Gitmo prisoners, Mexican Drug gang members, and swing our Southern Border as wide open as his Executive Orders will allow him.
His lame duck “flexibility” with the Russians will involve selling Putin Military secrets and technology.
But that is just MHO.
I believe that we are going to find out one way or the other before many moons have passed. Soon, probably too soon, we are going to make a choice as to what we do:1. Docially be starved to death in one of obama’s camps. 2. Die fighting as free [to the extent that we are free now] men and women.
“US has killed them by hundrends of thousands ...Without wal-marts stocked in every town, the docile population will flee to the urban areas for basic sustenance. Those with the supplies are survivalists and those are in remote areas. THe military can carpet bomb those areas, leaving the survivalists dead in their dungeons. “
That was a bunch of ignorant screed.
No one in the cities is going to “flee to the urban areas” because ‘urban’ means ‘cities’. I think you might mean ‘rural’ areas and frankly, no one is walking there. History shows people rarely get past 5 miles from home.
Since you obviously haven’t been paying attention, prepping is all the rage by housewives and people of all kinds. To claim any one of them is a lone survivalist in a rural setting available for carpet bombing is just plain juvenile...and stupid.
I am pretty sure we haven’t killed hundreds of thousands of foreigners. That’s kind of a liberal viewpoint.
Nice try, but, seriously, go back to your video games.
Without a doubt it is the liberal’s goal to destroy America. What to put in its place they have no idea. They’re just angry little children lashing out without a thought to the consequences.
In the past, the Producers vastly outnumbered the moochers, so the touchy-feely creed of “helping” the poor appealed to the elite in “both” of our sorry political parties.
Then the moochers got so numerous that the elite gave them free lunches and thus bought their votes with our tax and debt dollars.
Now the cost and debt of the free lunches is so high that the elites have started to raise money by Nationalizing money-making industries, such as the Medical and insurance industries with Traitor John Roberts’ Obama”care.”
England followed this same path after world War Twice. Fortunately for England the North Sea Oil Field Complex can in at the right time o keep England from following the same fate as Greece of today.
The Silent Majority are now the Taxed Enough Already Party.
The TEA Party foolishly ASSUMED that by sending 89 newly minted Congressmen and women to Congress in 2010, that the DC elites would wean themselves magically from playing to the moochers.
Ummmm...there are few differences that MIGHT matter.
For one, we're not a disarmed nation of sheep for free wolf slaughter, like the Chinese.
In America, 19 million folks venture into the woods each fall with scoped rifles during "Operation Opening Day."
Not quite the situation of CHina.
I picked only one of your flubs to highlight, the rest of your thinking is just as foolishly flawed.
” - - - What to put in its place they have no idea.”
Not so. History is rife with examples of men who do not play well with others: THEY ALL BECOME DICTATORS.
Read Unintended Consequences by John Ross.
It'll get really nasty when the Moochers decide to eliminate the middleman.
Oh, wait -- Trayvon tried that. Fail.
The variable which comes into play for us which has not elsewhere. Impossible to predict how effective it will be. Arms held by non military.
I don’t think the dissident populations in your examples have had the volume of arms that are held by US citizens.
Because of the sheer magnitude of this country and terrain, I think that effective, organized control of the entire country by the military is going to be extremely difficult at best. I’m more inclined to think that we will end up with prolonged chaos more than anything else. The technology dependency will work against the oppressors as well.
It could very easily devolve into a Mad Max scenario. A lot of unpredictability here, but it would be awful beyond anything most people are willing to imagine.
Anyone who is not very frightened right now is not looking rationally at the facts.
” - - - Im more inclined to think that we will end up with prolonged chaos more than anything else.”
Perhaps I missed it, but no one has brought up the subject of City States. Currently, the best model to look at is NYC.
City States with defendable marine harbors could then supply the interior City States if the corridors of transportation could be defended.
Labor Unions would have to choose to lose their membership cards, to put it politely - - .
Imagine not a few thousand Taliban with old AKs, but millions of soldiers with experience from Vietnam to OIF, armed with scoped deer rifles.
Could be interesting times.
We have mad men running everything now.
Interesting thread, also a concept trailer for an independent film “Grey State” that caught my attention:
posted among the comments for the article in post #1.
I could not get the link to work.
Obama gang said they wanted to kill 25 million people to launch their Utopia. I don’t think it would bother them to do that to religious white people and conservative white people. I’d like to see them an’ git it. We’ll take out at least one for one. It would be the end of America, that’s for sure.
I tried to link directly to the comments, but that didn’t work. Here is the original article, comments below.
Looks like they deleted the #1 comment, mine! The replies to my comment are still there, but my comment is gone. Must have offended some Obamite fedgoon traitors.
The comment the WA Times deleted is posted here at 23.
I know that BUT it was an example of US “Troops” firing on US civilians.
Don’t feel too bad. On this very thread we have an active duty commissioned officer admitting that his paycheck is more important than his sworn oath to defend the Constitution.
I don’t feel bad at all. As for my son, I feel nothing but pride.
What I know though, is that your mouth is writing checks that your own ass won’t cash. Citizens have more freedoms and opportunity to create change then soldiers, so why don’t you lead something instead of chastising others for something you won’t do yourself.
I've already threatened to report him so I am on the list, but I am seriously thinking about threatening him with the moderator again.
Soldiers take the oath to defend the Constitution. Just ask your son. If a few more officers had honored their sworn oath like Col. Lakin, Obama would have had to step down, IMHO.
I don't expect 18 year old recruits to understand Constitutional law. The officer corps is another story.
homosexuals, women and minorities are being promoted like mad right now.
Now we find out tonight at the first homo woman was promoted to Brig Gen
LOL Just said the same and saw your post, homosexuals etc are being promoted right now.
The socialists and Marxists are doing as much as they can in case they lose this or the next election.
As bozo the clown has said in the past, “we have to lay the ground work for the future”
No. We have worse.
this is #1 at wash times comments now, nyuk, nyuk:
“Toaster Crisp6 hours ago “
=your post pasted in=
“There. I fixed it for you. Looks like you will have to dump the whole thread this time...”
Boys like them cant imagine how many of us are well trained in military operations.
How many former snipers are out there? These boys dont get it.