Posted on 08/17/2012 11:21:22 AM PDT by fishtank
And so the quibbling begins.
Plausible . . . at least.
But . . . likewise requiring some faith.
[ God’s Name is I AM, YHwH (HE IS), Alpha, Omega, Word. ]
What IF God has no name like the Holy Spirit.?.
Joseph or Mary nicknamed Jesus, Jesus.. he may not have had a spiritual name either..
Surely “I AM” is a nickname for humans.. God did not say that was his name..
My vision showed me that in the hereafter language will become obsolete.. therefore... Names..
How can language become obsolete and you can still communicate??
The answer is the thing dreams are made of.. a subject for another time perhaps..
Pure BUNKUM, dear brother in Christ!
Revelations makes it very clear that Christ has a name, but only HE (and presumably, His Father) knows what it is.
Language will only become obsolete when human beings made to be "social animals" from the get-go no longer have any need to "communicate." With each other or with God their Father.
Certainly (it seems to me), "I AM" is NOT a "nickname" for humans. The only claim that humans can make is that they "exist."
Humans only EXIST. They have no BEING in themselves they have existence only by means of participation in BEING.
And that BEING is spelled: I AM. And such a designation can only belong/apply to the Source of Being, whose Name is spelled "I AM."
That is, God Himself.
Can we get clear about that?
Well not exactly but then don’t all scientists [ and other researchers ] often each end up with their own unique yet constantly changing [or evolving if one must] worldview?
- so c’est la vie [that’s life] - or to each his own.
But I do find it interesting how often the freeper evos here willingly defend evolution and Darwin yet show little consideration or understanding of opposing yet highly regarded scientific discoveries...
1) What Einstein has added to the worldview equations regarding time paradoxes and the elusive true age and shape of the universe.
and
2) What Shannon has contributed with information theory [in regards to a Higher Power ] requiring an intelligent being to author codes, languages and embedded [or innate] functions.
In my 25 years of computer coding I’ve probably not written more than a million LOC ~ Lines of Code [ with far more errors and modifications to I care to admit ] so I ask you?
How much higher an intelligence than mankind is required to write all the DNA code found in every type of living organism where the smallest is still approx 500 million LOC, human beings roughly 3 billion LOC, and the largest genomes [see marbled lungfish & paris japonica in link below] upto 50 times larger yet? If recorded in books [of approx an inch and a half thick] each of the 3 stacks above would be 100 ft, 600 ft and 30,000 feet high respectively.
http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/research-innovations/stories/white-flower-has-worlds-longest-genome
Better yet consider what Dr Walt Brown wrote in section 33 of part I of his online book...
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html
33. Genetic Information
Information never self-assembles. The genetic information in the DNA of each human cell is roughly equivalent to a library of 4,000 books. Even if matter and life (perhaps a bacterium) somehow arose, the probability that mutations and natural selection produced this vast amount of information is essentially zero. It would be analogous to continuing the following procedure until 4,000 books were produced:
a. Start with a meaningful phrase.
b. Retype it, but make some errors and insert a few letters.
c. See if the new phrase is meaningful.
d. If it is, replace the original phrase with it.
e. Return to step b.
To produce just the enzymes in one organism would require more than 10^40,000 trials. (To begin to understand how large 10^40,000 is, realize that the visible universe has fewer than 10^80 atoms in it.)
In 1972, evolutionists, out of ignorance, began referring to large segments of DNA as junk DNA, because that DNA supposedly had no purpose and was left over from our evolutionary past. What evolutionists called junk DNA is now known to produce microRNA which is vital for each organisms health and also controls to a large extent the production of proteins. Cancers (lung, breast, stomach, prostate, colon, pancreatic, and brain) are frequently a result of damaged microRNA.
Based on all known experiencescientific or otherwiseinformation only comes from intelligence. Vast amounts of information require a vast intelligence.
The Elephant in the Living Room
Writer George V. Caylor interviewed Sam, a molecular biologist. George asked Sam about his work. Sam said he and his team were scientific detectives, working with DNA and tracking down the cause of disease. Here is their published conversation.
G: Sounds like pretty complicated work.
S: You cant imagine how complicated!
G: Try me.
S: Im a bit like an editor, trying to find a spelling mistake inside a document larger than four complete sets of Encyclopedia Britannica. Seventy volumes, thousands and thousands of pages of small print words.
G: With the computer power, you can just use spell check!
S: There is no spell check because we dont know yet how the words are supposed to be spelled. We dont even know for sure which language. And its not just the spelling error were looking for. If any of the punctuation is out of place, or a space out of place, or a grammatical error, we have a mutation that will cause a disease.
G: So how do you do it?
S: We are learning as we go. We have already read over two articles in that encyclopedia, and located some typos. It should get easier as time goes by.
G: How did all that information happen to get there?
S: Do you mean, did it just happen? Did it evolve?
G: Bingo. Do you believe that the information evolved?
S: George, nobody I know in my profession truly believes it evolved. It was engineered by genius beyond genius, and such information could not have been written any other way. The paper and ink did not write the book. Knowing what we know, it is ridiculous to think otherwise. A bit like Neil Armstrong believing the moon is made of green cheese. He’s been there!
G: Have you ever stated that in a public lecture, or in any public writings?
S: No. It all just evolved.
G: What? You just told me ?
S: Just stop right there. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold on to two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you dont believe in evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectureseverything would stop. Id be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldnt earn a decent living.
G: I hate to say it, Sam, but that sounds intellectually dishonest.
S: The work I do in genetic research is honorable. We will find the cures to many of mankinds worst diseases. But in the meantime, we have to live with the elephant in the living room.
G: What elephant?
S: Design. Its like the elephant in the living room. It moves around, takes up an enormous amount of space, loudly trumpets, bumps into us, knocks things over, eats a ton of hay, and smells like an elephant. And yet we have to swear it isnt there!
George V. Caylor, The Biologist, The Ledger, Vol. 2, Issue 48, No. 92, 1 December 2000, p. 2. (www.ontherightside.com) Printed with permission.
Thank you for sharing your views and thank you for your enouragement!
I am honored that one as yourself agrees with me...
to continue along these memes you and I have a name that will be revealed as well.. (as it is written)
SO then; pretty much everyone has nicknames given to them by their parents or devised by themselves..
language is indeed such a clumsy way of expressing yourself..
If I remember the bible correctly the God thing punished humans by giving them "languages"...
When punishments cease then why not language?...
I love talking to you....
(hold my beer and cigar).... ((( HUG )))
[ In my 25 years of computer coding Ive probably not written more than a million LOC ~ Lines of Code [ with far more errors and modifications to I care to admit ] so I ask you? ]
I became a programmer in 1968 and served for 20 years then served for at least 15 more years as a “Cat Herd”..
You know.. managing programmers(Systems Analyst).. because thats exactly like herding cats..
Now I’m a humble fisherman much too dumb for this conversation...
I fooled AG and BB for years as a smarty pants now I think their on to me...
A little support would be appreciated..
Because what they really want to talk about is oranges, and comparing apples to oranges is a way to turn a conversation about apples into a conversation about oranges?
Surely you know the whole story don’t you hp?
From one language to many at the tower of Babel.
Back to one language in Rev with the new world order too.
And certainly there are Names yet to be given or revealed (or not.)
There has also been some theological speculation that the language mankind was speaking when building the Tower of Babel was a spiritual language, i.e. "speaking in tongues." The speculation goes that man was not ready to speak in such a powerful language, that the Holy Spirit had to indwell man before he would be ready.
Also, as I recall, some Jewish mystics believe the power of a certain language is so great that it must be kept secret and passed down to only a select few.
But whatever one might speculate about languages, spiritual languages, powers and such - it is very clear that God Himself wanted us mere mortals to know some of His Names.
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. - Revelation 19:11-13
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. - Isaiah 9:6
Thank you for this most thought-provoking and insightful essay-post! IMO, you are dealing with the very "essence" of understanding the fact of creation.
Early on in your essay, you made a statement that (IMO) demands clarification, qualification, and expansion:
" That there was a beginning means there is no infinite past."
Please allow me to add a qualification that makes the statement reflect both physical and Scriptural reality:
" That there was a beginning of this universe means it has no infinite past."
And, then, you proceed to discuss this universe (and clarify your above statement) in a most delightful and insightful manner...
Even philosophers and scientists who place no credence in Scripture have discussed the possibility of "other" or "parallel" universes.
And Scripture clearly indicates that there is a "place" of existence "beyond" the confines of this created universe. We believers usually call that existence, "Heaven".
And, since Scripture reveals that that "extra-universal reality" is where "I AM" "is", we must look upon both Him and His creation -- and His description of His creative acts in the 31 sentences in Genesis -- with perception that transcends our "earthbound" viewpoint.
...only God, beyond space/time and physical causation, can be the uncaused cause of causation, the first cause, The Creator of the beginning.Space, time and physical causation are not properties of God the Creator. They are properties of the Creation. Only God is uncaused.
Praise HIM for these insights He has given you to share with us!!
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...and that leads to my comments-to follow (on the attributes of "I AM")...
[ And certainly there are Names yet to be given or revealed (or not.) ]
A wonderful screed on your(and most/many others) point of view... I liked it..
I realize it would hard for a human(any human) to conceive of zero language.. it was hard for me as well..
I had to warm up to it.. I’m such a hard head..
After(during) my vision I talked to the Holy Spirit about this..
About the “merging concept” and got images of people merging together as if in a “meeting”....
But a meeting with no language we all knew what each other was thinking...
Therefore no need to vocalize anything.. lies were not possible..
Not only knew what each was thinking but all with sound(harmonics) and light(in various patterns)...
It was(will be) a wonderous sound light and idea show..
With nuances of thought displayed in varying patterns of light and sound(sometimes)..
With individual and corporate experience of it..
I do like this conversation about language...
Don’t wish to bore you but you pushed one of my buttons..
Sooo then, I asked the Holy Spirit should go tell people about this.?.
The answer was, it makes no difference whether you do or don’t cause nobody will believe you anyway...
I so love direct answers.. I think I like this Holy Spirit guy..
Its true too, I’ve bored more than a few.. LoL...
signed: “waiting to be blessed with the merging gift”...
p.s. maranatha....
(I invite all of you to add to and expound upon this meagre list...)
In no particular order (and most certainly, not complete):
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