More Fluctuations Found in Isotopic Clocks

Institute for Creation Research ^ | 8-17-2012 | Brian Thomas

[hosepipe]

I suppose I can accept “I AM” as a nickname for God..
or even Jesus as a nickname for whoever he really is...

Heck; God does duets with Jackie Evancho why not a nickname..
Barretta used to call him “Louie”....
I cannot consider why God would even need gender..

I doubt God, a real God would be lame or petty...
God I think is not too BIG for a “handle”..
He/it can handle a handle..

Pope Pipus I... <<- handel...

[Sirius Lee]

Hello. The latest news about non-constant nuclear decay rates has further convinced me that the world-universe is amazingly non-linear.

And what does that have to do with the universe being 6,000 years old. You've offered no proof whatsoever. None. I can look up into the sky and see objects whose light has taken billions of years to reach us. That pesky speed of light will get you every time.

[fishtank]

First, even the evidence of a SMALL change in nuclear decay rate is enormous news. In my almost 30 years in the 'business', we've always referred to them as "nuclear decay constants". So, if there is an accidental observation of a very small variation in nuclear decay rate, then that opens up the possibility for very very large decay rate variabilities from as-yet undiscovered mechanisms.

Second, for the starlight question, I recommend the following book:

The author is an astrophysicist who used to work at Sandia.

The key to the starlight question is 'gravitational time dilation'.

By the way, do you have a technical background?

[BrandtMichaels]

Excellent list

I’d like to add one more

Abba or Father.

[BrandtMichaels]

Loved that book - Starlight and Time - by Russell Humphreys.

I first learned about him here on freerepublic back when a NASA probe had just proven a couple of his predictions true - about Mercury iirc.

[tacticalogic]

So, if there is an accidental observation of a very small variation in nuclear decay rate, then that opens up the possibility for very very large decay rate variabilities from as-yet undiscovered mechanisms.

Every radioisotope on the planet, accelerated to a decay rate of 4 billion times normal for a year is going to leave them with some interesting thermodynamic problems to solve. That's a lot of heat to get rid of.

[Sirius Lee]

So, if there is an accidental observation of a very small variation in nuclear decay rate, then that opens up the possibility for very very large decay rate variabilities from as-yet undiscovered mechanisms.

In other words, you're speculating. You haven't shown me how such tiny variations (and for your theory to work, they would only be allowed to vary to one side of the equation, and that hasn't been observed) justify the orders of magnitude that would be require to recalibrate the age of the universe from the observable billions, to a few thousand.

You have to ignore the fossil evidence, radioactive decay, the speed of light, gravitation, erosion, sedimentary layering - such a preponderance of things you can count and measure, in order to buy into YEC that it completely fails the Occam's razor test. The book it junk science BTW. According to his theory of a 6,000 year old universe due to there only being a few observable supernova, we should still be able to see the Hiroshima explosion. The idea that once a star explodes it dissipates and cools must have never occurred to him. I'm embarrassed for him.

[Sirius Lee]

So, if there is an accidental observation of a very small variation in nuclear decay rate, then that opens up the possibility for very very large decay rate variabilities from as-yet undiscovered mechanisms.

In other words, you're speculating. You haven't shown me how such tiny variations (and for your theory to work, they would only be allowed to vary to one side of the equation, and that hasn't been observed) justify the orders of magnitude that would be require to recalibrate the age of the universe from the observable billions, to a few thousand.

You have to ignore the fossil evidence, radioactive decay, the speed of light, gravitation, erosion, sedimentary layering - such a preponderance of things you can count and measure, in order to buy into YEC that it completely fails the Occam's razor test. The book it junk science BTW. According to his theory of a 6,000 year old universe due to there only being a few observable supernova, we should still be able to see the Hiroshima explosion. The idea that once a star explodes it dissipates and cools must have never occurred to him. I'm embarrassed for him.

[TXnMA]

"I’d like to add one more
Abba or Father."

Good grief! Did I overlook that one?!?

I also overlooked the entire Trinity - but, remember, it was A-G who was listing Names. I was listing Attributes.

And I have an ulterior motive... ;-)

(A-G & BB -- do you see the makings of "Universal Now" in that list? And how about a "Heavenly reference frame"?) '-)

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for your wonderful posts, dear brother in Christ, and thank you for your encouragements!

I do indeed see the "Universal Now" in your list of attributes of God.

And I would add one more which goes to that very point: God is Truth.

More specifically, He alone sees "all that there is" all at once - every where and every when.

He alone knows objective Truth. He alone speaks objective Truth.

He is Truth for when He says a thing, it is. It is because He said it:

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Genesis 1:3

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. - Psalms 33:6

For he spake, and it was [done]; he commanded, and it stood fast. - Psalms 33:9

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; - Titus 1:2

Concerning multi-verse or parallel universe models, I would add that most physical cosmologies apply the present universe's physical laws to prior universes thus carrying over the same issue of the beginning of the prior universe, etc. The only closed physical cosmology known to me is Max Tegmark's Level IV Parallel Universe which posits that the present universe is a manifestation of real mathematical structures which actually do exist outside of space/time.

God is The Creator whether He made one universe or many.

Praise God!!!

[Alamo-Girl]

I so enjoy hearing your testimony about your vision, dear hosepipe!

I had a similar answer to prayer, i.e. where words fail.

It was years ago and I had prayed asking God about the crucifixion. He gave me a mental image of a great Light coming from the Cross, extending over all of space and time - and innumerable tiny bubbles (us) rising up from the darkness and disappearing into the Light.

His answer wasn't in words and I could never paint it (wish I could) - but I am certain now that Christ's blood is timeless, it reaches to those in the past, present and future.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. - Matt 7:7-8

God's Name is I AM.

[fishtank]

“According to his theory of a 6,000 year old universe due to there only being a few observable supernova, we should still be able to see the Hiroshima explosion.”

Simply put, no.

You’re confusing the local time versus the time acceleration at a different locality.

“Star5light and Time” explains all of that.

By the way, I am curious about your technical background. Do you have any formal training or experience in science or engineering?

[hosepipe]

[ I so enjoy hearing your testimony about your vision, dear hosepipe! I had a similar answer to prayer, i.e. where words fail. ]

During my “vision” it was like being wide-awake in a dreamy state with images but no words spoken.. I could write on my word processing software.. which I did.. The images were poignant and obvious and ideas about them appeared in my “mind” (no words)... I knew those ideas were not “mine”... Not scary at all.. but ebullient..

This happened in the morning after my prayer time.. for about an hour maybe 30 minutes then it went away and I performed my daily functions as usual.. With many of the images to think about.. This happened for about 10 days in a row maybe 12... can’t remember.. hasn’t happened since..

Its taken me several to process this data somewhat... Two of the “ideas” being 1)designated and 2)UN-Designated energy/matter.. there were and are many more... I had and still have no idea what those two can be.. actually.. but they are interesting concepts.. The “merging of spirits” or “spirit creatures/beings/us/whatever” was displayed in images.. Of course; I cannot fully explain it/them/the experience.. a very personal “image” of it happening..

I wonder if your experience was in kind... It’s hard to explain in words things that there is/are no words(I know of) to explain it/them.. Just the concept of language becoming obsolete floored me, just blew me away.. What is to replace language is the stuff dreams are made of.. i.e. merging..

[BrandtMichaels]

The hard sciences will readily admit they can not re-create history nor come up with any one irrefutable natural clock to ‘estimate’ the age of rocks, fossils, stars, galaxies, etc.

What you also need to know is how many natural clocks the main streamers are not willing to display and discuss in order for folks to make an informed decision on these weighty matters.

101 Evidences for a Young Age of the Earth...And the Universe
http://creation.com/age-of-the-earth

[MrB]

Even though with the age that the evos are giving, what we observe today cannot have happened in that time,

a 4-5 figure old earth would completely refute the possibility of evolution.

That is why the AoTE is one of their hot button issues.

[betty boop]

...do you see the makings of "Universal Now" in that list? And how about a "Heavenly reference frame"?

Well, it seems to me that a "Heavenly reference frame" must refer to the Word of God — Logos Alpha to Omega.

But such would not be an "attribute" of God, as are some other items on your list (e.g., that He is omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, unconstrained, eternal, designer, etc.).

The common thread underlying all these "attributes" of God is that all are conceived from the reference point of human experience, attempting to find a suitable language by which insights of the Infinite can be conveyed, communicated, to finite minds.

Yet those who have had epiphanies of God, visions, become aware that no language exists that can fully convey such experiences. A common report is that such experiences of the Presence of the Lord are not even given in human language, but only through images, "graphical" representations. (This squares with my own experiences of this type.)

And there is simply no way to "reduce" such experiences to ordinary human language. If one tries, one only "reduces" God to human categories of understanding; and if that happens, one is no longer even speaking of God as He IS in Himself — absolute eternal Being. There is NO human analogue of this to speak from.

We try to understand the "nature" of God; but God is not "natural." HE is supernatural, "Beyond" what the human mind can conceive.

Oh Lord, you are not only that than which a greater cannot be conceived, you are also greater than what can be conceived. — Anselm of Cantebury, Saint and Doctor of the Church

But as Anselm knew, the felt "pull" of the Divine is a human existential fact — for those who have the "ears to hear" and thus are open to such experiences.

And so, Anselm begs God:

Speak to my desirous soul what you are, other than what it has seen, that it may clearly see what it desires.

Question: How does one convey such experiences in terms of the language of "instrumental reason" so celebrated today?

Answer: One can't, without deforming God and the human experience of God as directly felt Presence....

It seems to me the Eternal Now is a Name, not an attribute, of God. Pure BEING is not an attribute.... It "pre-exists" attributes.

But the Eternal Now is something that human beings can "sense" — if only fleetingly....

Well, words really can't convey what I'm trying to speak to. Obviously.

Man has LIMITS which God does not have.

[betty boop]

Q.: Why do people want to compare apples and oranges?

A: Because what they really want to talk about is oranges, and comparing apples to oranges is a way to turn a conversation about apples into a conversation about oranges?

Beats me, dear tacticalogic. Anyhoot, I wasn't the one who invited Newton to this party....

[tacticalogic]

I wasn't the one who invited Newton to this party....

I wasn't either. I just noticed him being on the guest list and thought it very odd.

[BrandtMichaels]

Here’s my train of thought on this...

Well when you think of oranges that reminds you of apples

and then apples reminds you of Newton and

I believe the Newton inference has to do with his literal ‘yec’ worldview

which has been the source of so much consternation to those who deny that was Newton’s viewpoint

[even thou Newton also did add up all the begets and begots
like Ussher did when he calculated about 4,000 years age for all of creation from the old testament that Jesus also studied and affirmed completely in his heyday]

so these neo-Newton folks if you will

along with other folks who simply reject the Bible without ever reading it much

will then rather mindlessly usually switch the debate back to apples and oranges

to keep trying to impress the faithful that one’s worldview

only matters as much as the difference between apples and oranges

But then again maybe not...

[hosepipe]

[ Yet those who have had epiphanies of God, visions, become aware that no language exists that can fully convey such experiences. ]

I got you a big old amen waiting for here...
Thank God salvation is not just for the “smart”....

Even dumb folks qualify..
Some catholics think protestants are sometimes dumb...
And some protestants think the same of some catholics...
And they both think Mormans are (shall we say) challenged..

Not to speak of the Buddists, Hindus, and the poor Muslims.. and Animists...
people seek God with whatever they have to seek him/it with..

Sure God knows this... heck even I KNOW IT...