Skip to comments.Spat between Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin over German treasure
Posted on 06/21/2013 1:21:10 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
A dispute over ancient German treasure looted by Soviet troops at the end of the Second World War has overshadowed a visit by Angela Merkel to Russia.
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“This is one case where ethnic cleansing was a good thing.”
No, I’m sorry. Stalin’s ‘ethnic cleansing’ was wrong.
If ethnic cleansing of Germans was a good thing, why the hell was the US fighting?
Wow, that’s one of the first pics I’ve seen of it.
Wonder how much of it had embedded insects in it, or
maybe that wasn’t considered valuable at the time?
A lot of Amber in any case.
I find it interesting that Stalin ethnic cleansing Poles Wilno is a bad thing, but Stalin ethnic cleansing Germans in Koenigsberg is a good thing.
Go Stalin! Stalin should have ethnic cleansed even more to solve the problems of europe for all time!
But it would be a nice gesture for the Russians to give it back. The Treasure has nothing to do with Russian history and has no Nazi identification.
Here’s a question for you - why didn’t the Americans ethnic cleanse all of Germany since ‘ethnic cleansing solves problems?’
The only possible “good” Stalin might have done was
to Chechens but I would wish the gulag on no one,
The point was to eliminate potential conflicts with minorities in the host countries...obviously not an issue with sending Germans back to Germany.
I'm fluent in Russian.The letters on that shield translate to "IRS".
So why didn’t the Americans ethnic cleanse and eliminate the German problem for all time?
Why did Stalin ethnic cleanse?
This isn’t a hard question, dfwgator. Stalin ethnic cleansed because he was a brutal dictator and FDR bent over for him.
Those ‘solved problems’, lead to the annexation of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, lands which were never freed by the allies. Free people who had done nothing to hurt any Jews whatsoever.
Yet they were abandoned to Stalin. Perhaps if Stalin had ethnic cleansed them too there would have been fewer problems. Same with Finland, btw, but I bet you don’t care about that either.
Finland fought hard to resist tyranny by Stalin and what did the Americans do to help? Nothing. Maybe Stalin should have ethnic cleansed them too. Since ‘ethnic cleansing solves problems’.
No, it doesn’t solve problems.
Poland should get Wilno because of what Stalin did to invade an ally. That’s how it’s supposed to work. If one of your ally gets invaded by an ally of Hitler, you work for the restoration of the territory conquered. Instead, FDR just didn’t care enough.
But it’s good to see FDR defenders here. “Ethnic cleansing is good because it solves problems”. I wonder if America should try the same thing with ‘troublesome’ minorities!
“The point was to eliminate potential conflicts with minorities in the host countries...obviously not an issue with sending Germans back to Germany.”
Koenigsberg was German far longer than America has ever been around. What was done there was a travesty of the war. It was wrong. I’m sorry - if you go to war to fight people trying to exterminate the Jews, you don’t turn around and start exterminating the Germans. The Americans understood that. Stalin - did not. It doesn’t make what Stalin did right because FDR believed him to be on the same team. No, Stalin was never on the allied team. He took and took and took from FDR everything he could, money and supplies that could have been used by the Americans to free europe.
Would America have been better off with Stalin ruling all of Europe? I somehow doubt that. Patton got it, Churchill got it, FDR? Was only too happy to consign millions of people to Stalin.
Killing Germans was wrong....forcing them back to Germany was not.
Internal Revenue Security.
The way this administration is, all capitalist
enterprises ARE under under their jurisdiction.
Always remember, you cannot have organs of internal
security without an internal threat to the state.
If there isn’t one, they will find one if only to
justify their existance.
That is the problem with ALL Obama’s Stateorgs.
Koenigsberg was part of Germany.
Really...had not the victors of WWI been so vindictive towards Germany, Germany might not have been seduced by the vile songs of the NAZI’s and silently nodded as the NAZI’s wreaked havoc all over Europe.
Europe ‘’asked’’ for WWII and got it.
And Kiev was once part of Poland, so what’s your point....lands change hands over time due to war, WWII was no different.
You said ‘forcing Germans’ back to Germany was fine.
But Koenigsberg was German. So it wasn’t for Stalin about ‘forcing Germans to Germany’, it was about gobbling up more land for himself, taking over parts of Germany and Poland and all of Eastern Europe.
That was the legacy of FDR.
We just stole the scientists (and the flying saucers.)
Which is why we had The Marshall Plan after WWII.
Never, never, say never. My grandfather was from Lwow, I KNOW it will be Polish again.
If I had my way, I would restore the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Who knows. History has taken some weird turns before.
Trade it for Königsberg.
Past Calais, it's all wogs....
Berliners call the Russian Tomb of the Unknown Soldier there, the “Tomb of the Unknown Looter”....
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Thanks afraidfortherepublic. The USSR stole priceless ancient artifacts, and lied about it for decades, which isn't surprising at all, because the Soviet regime was entirely criminal. Obviously the Trojan War artifacts should go back to Berlin, period. And no more shilly-shallying because of the Amber Room.
Konigsberg and it’s area was a center of Junker aristocracy aka Prussia. In short, it was a core of notorious German militarism for centuries.
Russians were fully aware of this fact and for that very reason they ethnically cleansed it.
It seems like worked. There is no German militarism anymore, at least they weren’t in state of aggressive war with someone since 1945, which might be the the longest peaceful period for Germans’ neighbors in 500 years.
I think it is correct to call them eurowennies now.
Yes, ethnic cleansing is just so awesome isn’t it. It’s a good thing Hitler was Prussian too!
Who tells ethnic cleansing is good? And Hitler wasn’t Prussian but Junkers were eager to serve his cause and aren’t innocent for that reason.
You just did. You praised the ethnic cleansing of Germans in Germany by Stalin. He was amazing, wasnt he?
“Hitler wasnt Prussian.”
What was he then? Shouldn’t Stalin have ethnically cleansed those who were responsible for starting the second world war?
I didn’t! Hitler was Austrian.
Good thing Stalin ethnic cleansed the Prussians then.
I just told you their reason. I haven’t told if it good or bad. But the reality is If not for the Prussian natural born war spirit backing him, Hitler could have ended as a third rate dictator pushing his speeches to unenlightened masses in Munich of somewhere. It wasn’t Hitler’s genuis who did blitzcrieg so well initially, and it was Prussian generals who followed his orders and went to Russia (72 years ago this day) to kill millions of innocent people.
That is exact reason why there is no Prussia and Prussians today.
German looting was matched by German vandalism. Precious historical, scientific and cultural treasures lost to the Nazis are literally irreplaceable. In this instance, I’m going to side with Stalin (and Bomber Harris). They sowed the wind, they reaped the whirlwind.
“If not for the Prussian natural born war spirit”
Which is why they needed the mechinations of an insane Austrian nutbar illegal immigrant to lead them.
They didn’t want war in 1914 either - that was the Austrians. Again.
If the Prussians were so clever and such great warriors, why did they fight both world wars? They won in 1870, they were able to beat Austria. They cobbled together the German empire because they chose to pick their spots.
It was never the Prussians who pushed for two massively destructive wars that crushed the German people.