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U.S. Destroyer Joins Hunt For Vanished Malaysia Airlines Flight [No crash confirmation]
TIME ^ | 03/08/2014 | Sam Frizell

Posted on 03/08/2014 10:48:16 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan

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To: upchuck

That similarity struck me, as well.


41 posted on 03/08/2014 12:48:52 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: steve86
You’re claiming we don’t have new imaging resources since WWwhatever?

I did not make that claim. What I said is that the job is still largely MK I eyeball, which is certainly true in this case. You are the one claiming that we have the capability to locate the crash site within hours.

Please inform us all what systems can provide the kind of surveillance necessary to spot debris on the open ocean. Feel free to use the entire arsenal of the U.S., Malaysia, Vietnam, Thailand, Singapore. Satellites, aircraft, ships, UAS are all at your disposal. Just note where they were stationed, how long it would take them to get on station, and what their loiter time might be. You may take into account that a U.S. destroyer is in route to the scene, but I haven't seen anything that indicates how long it will take for her to steam to the search area.

42 posted on 03/08/2014 12:53:51 PM PST by centurion316
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To: rey

True, but they were lost in an area under active patrol by U.S. aircraft. That was simply a well known example. Perhaps a better example would be the French airliner in the Atlantic. How long did it take to locate the wreckage, and by what means was this accomplished?


43 posted on 03/08/2014 12:56:21 PM PST by centurion316
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

I believe that is what happened.

just like I believe Benghazi was not caused by a movie

these days I have to read between the lines

I also believe 9-11 was terrorism, not a plot by our own government

Tin foil? Maybe more people should read between the lines. You know the government won’t even call the Texas Army post massacre terrorism?

And the Boston marathon bombing I also think is terrorism.

So suit yourself if you think it some inexplicable cause. Your are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine.


44 posted on 03/08/2014 12:56:30 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Air France 447:

Absolutely no comparison in terms of the uncertainty area for the aearch.

45 posted on 03/08/2014 12:59:14 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
It took five days to find the first bits of debris

Thanks Buckeye. It's a lot harder to do in real life than in the movies or on the Discovery Channel.

46 posted on 03/08/2014 1:00:43 PM PST by centurion316
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I watch hurricanes form out of tiny swirls all over the ocean every year. Local land radar confirms formation. The explosion would be visible from common weather sats. If it just splashed into the ocean, no explosion and smoke, that probably wouldn’t be picked up.

And that’s just public domain realtime sat imagery. The sats who see what brand of cigs a Russian is smoking on his picnic table.... it *is* known what happened, just classified at this point as the reality could probably provoke war, or at least retribution.

If islamists blew it up to terrorize the Chinese, the Chinese know it and are about re-patriate some in-country islamists. From about 30K feet.


47 posted on 03/08/2014 1:03:07 PM PST by txhurl
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To: centurion316

The NRO knows exactly where the plane went down as it has in other lost aircraft incidents, and in the case of re-entering satellite debris. Very rarely is any of that information released to civil authorities. Release can be authorized if survivors are suspected, which wouldn’t be the case here.


48 posted on 03/08/2014 1:05:06 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

I hate to be crass and selfish:

But, since we don’t have a dog in this hunt, to whom do we send the $$$$ bill for the destroyer and air assets to try to locate the grave of 200 plus foreigners’?

BTW I find it very strange that a disabled or breaking up aircraft didn’t allow time for the pilot to get off a mayday:

thus I call terrorism


49 posted on 03/08/2014 1:12:07 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Noob1999

Not crass nor selfish. Excellent points


50 posted on 03/08/2014 1:17:21 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Bitter clinger & creepy-ass cracker)
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To: steve86
The NRO knows exactly where the plane went down as it has in other lost aircraft incidents,

Depends. If they had a bird on the right orbit, overhead at the right time, looking in the right direction, with the right sensors then perhaps. Are you claiming that the NRO's assets are covering all of the Earth, all of the time? What do you think the odds are for this particular bit of the Earth's surface?

51 posted on 03/08/2014 1:18:24 PM PST by centurion316
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To: steve86

I wasn’t comparing the search area. I was describing the technology used to search for Air France 447 because the posters were discussing the available technology.


52 posted on 03/08/2014 1:24:12 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: xrmusn; rey
They had already delivered the components and were enroute to Australia(?) with no escort.

And she wasn't zigzagging

53 posted on 03/08/2014 1:25:30 PM PST by fso301
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To: BuckeyeTexan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_653


54 posted on 03/08/2014 1:35:20 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: centurion316; steve86

Air France 447 crashed over the Atlantic Ocean in area with very rugged terrain where the depth of the ocean bed ranges from .5 mile to 2.75 miles with significant depth changes over short distances.

By comparison, MH370’s last known location was over the Gulf of Thailand, which is only 250 feet deep at its deepest point.

I believe one of you asked how long it would take for the USS Pinckney to reach the last known location of MH370. The U.S. Navy estimates it will be there within 24 hours.


55 posted on 03/08/2014 1:36:33 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: surroundedbyblue

That is very interesting, some of those incidents I hadn’t heard about, like the fire at the gay nightclub.


56 posted on 03/08/2014 1:38:12 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Talisker

That train station thing was terrifying, did they arrest anybody? It doesn’t seem like they did.


57 posted on 03/08/2014 1:39:15 PM PST by jocon307
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-malaysia-airlines-20140308,0,3587352.story#ixzz2vNxXoijQ


58 posted on 03/08/2014 1:40:07 PM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

why would muzzies blow up a plane going from Malaysia to China?


59 posted on 03/08/2014 1:45:50 PM PST by gaijin
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To: yldstrk

Last night I heard two repeatedly.


60 posted on 03/08/2014 1:51:46 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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