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Lots of more questions than answered here, and yet another good case against letting women serve aboard ships.
1 posted on 03/26/2014 5:43:12 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
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I guess the Navy response will be to bar Watch’s from carrying ammo ...


2 posted on 03/26/2014 5:47:23 PM PDT by 11th_VA (Decrimminalize Tax Evasion)
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In fairness, you would think that sailors other than SEALs wouldn’t need to be skilled at hand to hand combat.


3 posted on 03/26/2014 5:49:11 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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The man then got into an altercation with a female petty officer and disarmed her, Navy officials said. Palomino said Mayo stepped over the disarmed officer and fired his weapon at the assailant. He was serving on watch for the installation that night and came to help once he saw the civilian board the ship.

I hate to point this out, but I suspect the female security officer did not have the body mass to take on the male truck driver which is why she got disarmed. I would also suspect she was unprepared to fire her weapon into the "suspect" despite the warnings that deadly force is authorized.

We appear to have another victim of political correctness.

5 posted on 03/26/2014 5:51:13 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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Strength counts...it was only a matter of time. When you have to post guards who may get into a physical altercation you need to post the biggest, burliest, “baddest” dudes you have available! “Bumma” wouldn’t understand that!


6 posted on 03/26/2014 5:53:23 PM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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If this is true, and I can't think of any reason why not, then a bunch of us jumped to a certain conclusion yesterday about the circumstances involving two male sailors. Myself included.

Not saying I've changed any opinions about who ought to serve on Navy ships. Just saying my bad in this case.

Next time I'll wait for more information.

8 posted on 03/26/2014 5:54:43 PM PDT by OKSooner
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Has the female petty officer been discharged from the Navy yet? She is obviously unfit for duty, let alone guilty of negligent homicide.


10 posted on 03/26/2014 5:55:55 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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And we’re assured women are fully capable of serving as Army and Marine combat infantrymen. Riiiiight.


11 posted on 03/26/2014 5:56:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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Lots of more questions than answered here, and yet another good case against letting women serve aboard ships.

Ban them from the military altogether?

13 posted on 03/26/2014 6:00:17 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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nope, not gonna say it... feh
14 posted on 03/26/2014 6:01:54 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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Petty Officer 2nd Class Mark A. Mayo, 24. Hero
(Or killed during a workplace violence event?) Salute!
17 posted on 03/26/2014 6:46:12 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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"Stand by to repel boarders!"

Well done, sailor!

Rest in Peace.

22 posted on 03/26/2014 6:58:49 PM PDT by PLMerite
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‘Lots of more questions than answered here,’
Yes, I suspect PO@ Mayo is responsible for saving a number of lives by his self sacrifice. If this individual had gotten on board the Mahan with a weapon a number of naval personal would have been shooting victims. This whole incident is disturbing.
23 posted on 03/26/2014 7:00:27 PM PDT by robowombat
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Rules of engagement , US forces can not fire on the enemy unless fired on first ,only then they can return fire.


25 posted on 03/26/2014 7:09:05 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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God Bless Petty Officer 2nd Class Mark A. Mayo and our prayers are with his loved ones. No greater love ...
27 posted on 03/26/2014 7:21:24 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Operating out of weakness? Imagine if he was working from a position of strength!)
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Rest in Peace, Sir.
You are a true hero.
31 posted on 03/26/2014 7:42:56 PM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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God bless you Mark Mayo. May you rest in peace, hero.


37 posted on 03/26/2014 7:58:33 PM PDT by deweyfrank
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I reckon they'll start check for manifest forms and a trailer check. NOB Norfolk has a large supply depot near Pier 1 thus high truck traffic. Still it would not be that difficult to have an appointment delivery. Many companies work this way in trucking.

Ship security wise? Not so many years ago the only ships at NOB that had armed guard at the Quarterdeck was the subs in the Pier 1 area. The carriers and LPH had MARDET or Marine Detachment full time onboard to respond to security issues. Yes they were armed. I'm talking about what was Cold War posture. The main gate was manned by USMC and their was a pier watch. During the Iranian Hostage Crisis the ships began posting pier guards.

As for weapons training? generally the Navy doesn't have this in basic training. You might have a couple hours with a .22 and that's it. The Navy does have ratings which are trained in security and firearms. This includes Master At Arms made a rate back about 1980 and Gunner Mates. Also some specific officers or enlisted handling having duty involving handling money or sensitive material may be firearm qualified. The Navy did not discourage firearm qualification it's just that in most ratings it wasn't needed. Submarine duty is another exception where you'll see firearm training.

As budget cuts came about and the nuclear arms treaties were put in place some of the security was lessened even to at pre-9/11 where people were basically walking on bases with no ID. In The Cold War you had to have ID or you waited at the gate until someone from your ship showed up to vouch for you and sign you in or if it was a non service visitor such as family with ID or prior clearance they had to be escorted on base by relative in dress uniform of the day. No one non Navy got onboard without a uniformed escort the exception being civilian Tech Reps who had proper DOD ID.

This sounds like the perp was looking for the first opportunity to do some carnage. The classic 15 minutes of fame even though the person would not live to see it. The piers and base does need to be secure. Used to it was Marines working the gates and civilian police force aka base security in vehicle patrols. Security needs to be turned over to in house. It's a Navy Base and USMC are the ones most capable and qualified in securing it if allowed the authority and leeway needed to do so.

Any unauthorized boarding attempt after the shout of Halt should be met with use of deadly force. Some may say it's too extreme. Well this old boy has had many a M-16 pointed at me by MARDET usually at lunch or supper time which was the MARDTS's CO's favorite time to hold a drill. Anyone including sailors who attempted unauthorized entry into security areas without permission and proper authorization would have been made a pin cushion. Thus no one tested them just to see.

44 posted on 03/26/2014 8:36:54 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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Active Duty ping.


49 posted on 03/26/2014 9:24:13 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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Are they still using the Beretta model 92 for their side arms?


51 posted on 03/26/2014 9:30:29 PM PDT by longhorn too
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Strange, just last week the DOD said it was worried about internal threats.

Hagel Details New Security Actions After Navy Yard Shooting

66 posted on 03/27/2014 11:26:01 AM PDT by csvset
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